Poll: The Raping Game (Rapelay)

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CarlMin

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Luisen123 said:
xXxJessicaxXx said:
From experience, rape is worse than violence.
Would you rather have 1,000 men beaten to near death than one woman getting raped?

Stop being all victimised, any crime where any human is affected is equally wrong.
No of course not. Stealing someone's wallet is not as bad as raping someone thus mentally damaging that individual for life.

You are just returning to the old murder and rape is equally bad argument to defend your point, but that's argument is irrelevant to begin with as one thing doesn't justify another. And it could very well be argued that murder isn't worse than rape. But that's aside the point.
 

Moonlight Butterfly

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Luisen123 said:
xXxJessicaxXx said:
From experience, rape is worse than violence.
Would you rather have 1,000 men beaten to near death than one woman getting raped?

Stop being all victimised, any crime where any human is affected is equally wrong.
Where did 1000 men come into it? what about 1 woman getting beaten over 1 women getting raped.

Personally I'd take the beating every time.
 

CarlMin

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Luisen123 said:
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Again, I'm speaking of principles. And rape is wrong, fictional or not, of moral principles. Now if we are to have a more pragmatic perspective, there is nothing wrong with fantasies. It's nothing you can't help even though it can lead you to antisocial behavior. But actually making a game about it, and marketing it, that's wrong. It might even help the concept be socially accepted, which in turn will have cultural consequences.
Let's assume you're correct and it's all morally wrong, correct? So what of it? The game won't make it acceptable, it probably sold less than 10,000 copies because it's a niche game and a porn game at that? Do you seriously believe that could have such an impact on society?

And like I said, this is about it being banned, and as a citizen of a modern democracy, I have the right to decide not the government, regardless of the moral content of the product.
Okay, you make a pretty sound argument. But the question here is not whether this game in particular could make a lot of damage. The question was whether it's wrong and I think it is and I think it should be outlawed due to those principles.
 

Luisen123

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CarlMinez said:
Okay, you make a pretty sound argument. But the question here is not whether this game in particular could make a lot of damage. The question was whether it's wrong and I think it is and I think it should be outlawed due to those principles.
So what if you think it's wrong? Everyone could think it's wrong but the company has all the right to publish the game due to freedom of speech.

I have the right to decide if I want to play it, just as you have the right to claim here that it is morally wrong.
 

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First of all, I would like to say hello to all Escapists, I've been lurking for a couple of years now (since 15/10/08), but this subject has incensed me to come out of the woodwork and into public view. I'd like to request that people consider the effect that quoting quotes without thought has on the readability of the thread.

OT: I first experienced Hentai games in the very early 1990s, before i could even speak English in the form of Knights of Xentar, a role playing game that occasionally has images of half naked women, some in the process of, or just after, being raped/ sexually assaulted. In part this was a plot device to justify the protagonist's quest, but mainly I feel that the images were used to stimulate interest in the game, which definitely worked for me.

Many years later when I decided to rediscover the game, Illusion popped up as a maker of high quality 3d Hentai games, so I downloaded and played Artificial girl 3, (quite fun, i might add) from there my hoarding nature implored me to download every single game that Illusion has ever produced, so I believe I'm in a position to comment.

I've played Rapelay, but I haven't completed it, since I prefer the sandbox style AG games.
The game contains images that are generic across the Hentai genre, in fact there are far more 'rapey' and graphic Japanese products out there, (Pineapple studios and Teatime games are examples of producers that I can think of immediately).


Bottom line;

Yes, it depicts sexual assault, however there are other products that have done this earlier and more potently. A percentage of the population across the planet roleplay these simulations in their own homes on a daily basis.

Yes, it depicts a family of a woman and her two daughters, but all three are over the age of consent. (Keep in mind that Japan is one of the two top sources of ACTUAL child pornography, the other being Russia, because until recently it was legal in both countries, i.e. no age of consent)

Yes, it depicts an act that is illegal but so do nine out of ten games.
The list of games that permit and/or promote illegal and antisocial activities is almost as long as the list of all games ever made. (Manhunt, Painkiller, Elder Scrolls, EVE Online, World of Warcraft, Thief, Tomb Raider, Fable, Madworld, Dragon Age, Hitman, Assassin?s creed, GTA, Bulletstorm, Viva Pinata, RTS games promote genocide)

This is not a product for sexual deviants, porn simulating incest, bestiality, necrophilia, abuse of privileged position, coercing minors, can all be found within 30 seconds of you reading this if you were so inclined, unless you consider consumers of pornography deviants (in which case, check your stats, it?s a significant minority, if not the majority.) Also actual depictions of aforementioned acts can also be found just as quickly.

Without having experienced the game, you are in as much a position to comment as is a movie critic who hasn?t seen the movie, or a food critic who hasn?t stepped into a restaurant. I ask you, how much weight would you put behind the words of a game critic who listens to all the hype about a game, believes it and then dismisses it out of hand, or worse, froths at the bit, neighing for a product to be banned?
 

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The massive flaw with this is that it's working on the assumption that the rape is reported. Japan has a 'shame' culture and it's popularly thought that rapes are hugely under reported.

http://www.japantoday.com/category/kuchikomi/view/few-authorities-know-how-to-deal-with-rape-victims-in-japan

That's not a 'source', more like reading material. Having said that I don't see why they add that personal story at the start, this isn't a subject you need to trick me into caring about.

OT: I'd say ban it. It's basically a kind of porn and it's against UK laws as they currently stand, plus it's been observed that extreme porn desensitises viewers. I see no reason that this shouldn't work the same way, the assumption that it prevents people actually doing it seems more like wishful thinking.
Yeah, I know it's a flaw. Unfortunately, it's physically impossible for us to accurately calculate non-reported rapes. For all we know, America could have the highest number of non-reported rapes, too. It's just assumptions based on culture.

And unfortunately, once you OK banning one thing, you OK banning. It's illegal in some countries to paint a religion in a bad light. There goes a bunch of games out the window. It's illegal to murder pretty much everywhere. There goes the bulk of video games.

Just because you find something more deplorable (I guess that raping people is more horrifying than mowing down an entire country's worth of humans) doesn't mean that it's more deserving of a ban.
 

Sudenak

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Actually I am OK with banning works like this, it's been my observation of people as a group that if you allow them to say whatever they want "****" is normally what they come up with. Honestly I don't necessarily think that all creative works do have a right to be freely published anywhere.

Note though that when I say 'ban' I mean 'ban from import to the UK' rather than 'eliminate from existence'. Different groups of people define their rules as they see fit after all, I've no right to tell Japan what they can and can't make. But frankly I am a tentative proponent of censorship as long as it's used properly. It's not a case of either anything-goes or V for Vendetta, there is a useful and happy middle ground in there.
To each their own, I s'pose. I just fear even the tiniest bit of censorship because of what happens when idiots get to control said censorship. That's why I equally stand up for kiddie porn. Because when everyone agreed that it needed to be banned, we in America ended up with a law making a 17 year old into a pedophile if they take a shirtless picture of themselves and send it to their boy/girlfriend. Permanently.

And there's a law which I think passed that allows for pedophiles to be jailed indefinitely without trial. So no defending yourself.

Give someone an inch and they'll take a mile. I'm alright with letting a few folk wank to rape-fetish material than risking some chunk of our constantly waning freedom.

(Not that I necessarily disagree; I don't like it one bit either, but I'll defend it to the death)
 

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Seventh Actuality said:
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Seventh Actuality said:
It's rape porn. Rape porn exists in book, film and comic form and always has, mostly legally and without causing a firestorm like RapeLay did. So, whether rape porn should be banned is up for debate, but singling out RapeLay for a ban would be discrimination based on medium and set a precedent for video games not getting the same freedom of speech protections as other media.
the difference is that those media aren't interactive. there's a difference between freedom of speech and encouraging people to engage in a horrible crime that ruins lives
Every medium is different. You could argue that film shouldn't get to portray things literature does because it provides a graphic depiction as opposed to just words, and with video games the magic word "interactive" gets trotted out every time to say, "yes, but this is different!" with no further elaboration needed.
viewing something on your own time and being forced to do something to advance are different things, that's just how it is. i'm one for allowing video games to do what they want for the most part but this is beyond (for me) any artistic license justification. you don't need elaboration. acting something out is more connected to patterns in the brain than viewing it. they're different things.
 

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Sorry for the late reply:

Nice post, very informative. However if you read any of my posts on this thread you'd learn that I'm in favour of this game, I hate banning, so fuck you for the neighing, bro.
If, however, you're just addresing 'yous' in general, sorry