Okay, here's my view on it. I know I'm not entitled to anything, it's his game he can do whatever he wants with it, sure. But if he wants MY money then he's going to have to do better because as is i'm just not impressed. If minecraft gets better I'll pay for it, if not I won't and you all can play and laugh at me for not playing best game evar, I'll just spend my money on something more entertaining.
Poll: The State of Minecraft
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And now for a Brony thread and this could be a great day....
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Yes and you're a whiny dumbass.Chase Yojimbo said:
He's introducing pistons because the mod was so popular. You're basically saying here "look at how great the mods are, I wish he would do something so great!" and then when he does implement one of the best mods you say "hey wait, that was already a mod!".
As for the wolf update, you realise that that same update included a ton of other changes too. True a lot of them were behind-the-scenes, setup for achievements and statistics and fixing some networking issues, but it wasn't as though that was the only thing in the update. And it's also not as though updates are snapshots - they're constantly working on things beyond what's released in each update.
He's creating bugs because they're not really paying any attention to avoiding them right now. Game-breaking bugs sure, but he's said over and over that they're mostly just trying to push forward, which is relatively reasonable at this point. It was a little awkward when he was saying that and not actually adding much to the game at all, but recently he's been coding pretty big stuff more or less constantly.
Also, he didn't even code a lot of the recent stuff (pistons for example): that was Jeb. So either you don't really have much of a grasp on what you're talking about or you're unreasonably vindictive toward him like all the other obnoxious haters.
And of course there are bound to be amazing mods that seem more impressive than the game's native features: think of how many people are making mods versus the handful developing the game. This happens with every game that's relatively easy to mod.
Also, the whole premise of this thread is incredibly juvenille. He's not going to stop working on the game - he owns it. Your tremendous e-peen and internet complaint list seems unlikely to convince him.
Christ. Ignorance confirmed.Chase Yojimbo said:
What you're basically saying is: if you invent something, you shouldn't earn any profit from it; inventing something original and successful is easy as hell; the people who created something don't deserve any acknowledgment, because "it can be so much more"...
Honestly, I would have suggested you to download mods, but obviously you are an ungrateful prick who doesn't deserve to play MineCraft.
A few notes:
> Minecraft is developed by multiple people, not just Notch.
> One of the staff (I believe Notch himself) has talked about 'purchasing' mods from modders and subsequently incorporating them into the main game. Or it may be a part of the ToS for the modding API that they reserve the right to incorporate anything. They're still hammering out the details (and rightly so; it's a precarious situation).
> The Canadian patent for the light bulb was owned by Henry Woodward and Mathew Evans. Edison "got all the credit" for its development because he purchased the patent from them, which they WILLINGLY SOLD. You can't just seize someone's assets because you think you (or someone else) could do better--it must be a consensual transaction.
> Woe betide the creative industry the day creators are expected to fulfill the desires of every single consumer. To paraphrase Bill Cosby, the key to failure is trying to please everybody. And if the comments of this thread (and from what I've seen, over the internet in general) are any indication, the people who are pleased with how Minecraft is developing far outnumber those who have gripes, so...more power to Notch.
> Minecraft is developed by multiple people, not just Notch.
> One of the staff (I believe Notch himself) has talked about 'purchasing' mods from modders and subsequently incorporating them into the main game. Or it may be a part of the ToS for the modding API that they reserve the right to incorporate anything. They're still hammering out the details (and rightly so; it's a precarious situation).
> The Canadian patent for the light bulb was owned by Henry Woodward and Mathew Evans. Edison "got all the credit" for its development because he purchased the patent from them, which they WILLINGLY SOLD. You can't just seize someone's assets because you think you (or someone else) could do better--it must be a consensual transaction.
> Woe betide the creative industry the day creators are expected to fulfill the desires of every single consumer. To paraphrase Bill Cosby, the key to failure is trying to please everybody. And if the comments of this thread (and from what I've seen, over the internet in general) are any indication, the people who are pleased with how Minecraft is developing far outnumber those who have gripes, so...more power to Notch.
Or, you could stop making insults based on his weight, he's like Gabe Newell, he's not fat, he is just too awesome for his body to contain it. Secondly, the game isn't done. Hasn't had a release date. You're paying to beta test, stop losing shit over expected events.
The game isn't even fucking done yet...
Yes, if it's still lacking come November (the "release date") then I'll unrelentingly join you in your decrying of Notch, but let's at least wait until the damn thing is finished before we start bitching that it isn't good enough.
Yes, if it's still lacking come November (the "release date") then I'll unrelentingly join you in your decrying of Notch, but let's at least wait until the damn thing is finished before we start bitching that it isn't good enough.
I don't understand this arguement, and others have used it for companies like Blizzard, if someone makes a game and you don't like the way it is going, does that mean they deserve to lose their game? I don't see how this is can be debated, I have gone through this with TF2. After Valve started replacing all that I loved in TF2 and I went from 50 hours a week to not even reading the blog, never once did I think that TF2 should be handed over to a different company. I thought that we could go riot or something, break some windows and spray paint mean things but I didn't think that VALVe lost the rights to its own property. I need some more convincing on this issue before I would even think about saying Notch doesn't deserve to keep his own game, if it ever came to that I hope he would delete the whole thing and stick his tongue out at everyone.
You know, if Minecraft was a normal game we wouldn't even be playing it right now, we would have to wait for the November release and none of these mods would even exist. I'm just glad that Notch released the game the way he did and I am more than happy to wait for his updates to come out.
Quite honestly, you strike me as someone who has no idea what goes into developing a game at all. Notch is working with what? A 7 person crew? And he writes most of the code personally. This isn't some mega-dev with fingers in a bunch of pies, this is one man with a small, recently assembled team trying to make a game for people to enjoy as best he can. So either shut up and f*cking enjoy what he's made, or stop bothering to play it at all.
Oh look, a bunch of people who want to pooh-pooh a perfectly good point.
Listen, it may not be fair, right, whatever you want, to kick Notch off of Minecraft. That's why it's not going to happen. However, if you look at the bigger picture, it would probably be better for the game itself if he allowed others to take over production of the game. Whether or not Notch is lazy is debatable. Whether or not his rate of work is EXTREMELY outpaced by just about everybody who feels like cobbling something together on a weekend is not. This may be resolved when he finishes up his modding API, which further bewilders me as to why he hasn't just dropped everything and done that yet.
Also, to all the people saying "LOOLOOOLOOOL U SO ENTITLEMNT", believe me, I know where you're coming from. On the other hand, I bought the game on the promise it would be updated often and well. I have every fucking right to expect him to do better than a single modder- and there are modders out there who get a lot more done than he does in the same span of time.
On the bright side, I haven't laughed at anything on the Escapist as hard as some of the posts in this thread. Kudos for that.
Listen, it may not be fair, right, whatever you want, to kick Notch off of Minecraft. That's why it's not going to happen. However, if you look at the bigger picture, it would probably be better for the game itself if he allowed others to take over production of the game. Whether or not Notch is lazy is debatable. Whether or not his rate of work is EXTREMELY outpaced by just about everybody who feels like cobbling something together on a weekend is not. This may be resolved when he finishes up his modding API, which further bewilders me as to why he hasn't just dropped everything and done that yet.
Also, to all the people saying "LOOLOOOLOOOL U SO ENTITLEMNT", believe me, I know where you're coming from. On the other hand, I bought the game on the promise it would be updated often and well. I have every fucking right to expect him to do better than a single modder- and there are modders out there who get a lot more done than he does in the same span of time.
On the bright side, I haven't laughed at anything on the Escapist as hard as some of the posts in this thread. Kudos for that.
He has to work on the whole damn game, modders just do one little thing that strikes their fancy, he has to think of stuff that will interest us all, and I'm sure people like you who act so entitled don't make him want to work any harder, also, there are hundreds of modders and only about 8 or so people working at mojang, get off your high horse
One of the things I have learned from making this thread is this. If I mention Notch in a negative way, I am called a whiny ***** that is ignorant... Well alright than, I probably do deserve it. But I still do believe that Notch should not receive all credit for Minecraft, as it is moreso the Mod Community that created it (Otherwise as I have already stated, it would have died a looooong time ago, and people would have been bored out of their minds playing the same mindless dribble over and over again without any type of innovation with maybe a few new things every few months).
Mirror Cage, you possibly have the greatest answer I was looking for. As one it doesn't have any hate in it and it actually does say that Notch should consider actually looking at the work in front of him instead of dicking around and wasting his own time with stuff already created.
DeltaStrata I never said it was seized. I said he went to buy the rights...
pyrrhic victory, I in no way stated that because the original created it, they would not get profit (They in fact did, a handsome profit [meant to further their college degrees] that Thomas Edison did deliver). They also did receive acknowledgement for their discoveries at a later date, but in the long run because Thomas Edison did improve the Lightbulb in that Era, he was credited with the full creation of the Light Bulb until evidence was procured. I believe Thomas Edison even stated later in his life that he did not create it, but merely improved it (Do not quote me on this, I am not a US history major). Stop being ignorant and stop insulting people.
I do agree with most people that yes, he is great with bugs... that is all.
Lt. Vinciti, I do agree that a Brony Thread would indeed be awesome... but this hate is a little to extreme currently...
Minecraft is an awesome game. One of the best I have every played. I do like Notches work and what has created. It is in fact something I have always wanted to play. But I always see improvements that could be made that Notch could accept and implement fully into the game. But sometimes I feel that is just going to slow; but maybe that is because it feels like it is a full game that is missing its parts instead of it being a Beta. I hope everyone now understands my standpoint on this and no longer hates me (to much) for my thoughts on the matter. I hope you keep playing Minecraft as I will be.
Mirror Cage, you possibly have the greatest answer I was looking for. As one it doesn't have any hate in it and it actually does say that Notch should consider actually looking at the work in front of him instead of dicking around and wasting his own time with stuff already created.
DeltaStrata I never said it was seized. I said he went to buy the rights...
pyrrhic victory, I in no way stated that because the original created it, they would not get profit (They in fact did, a handsome profit [meant to further their college degrees] that Thomas Edison did deliver). They also did receive acknowledgement for their discoveries at a later date, but in the long run because Thomas Edison did improve the Lightbulb in that Era, he was credited with the full creation of the Light Bulb until evidence was procured. I believe Thomas Edison even stated later in his life that he did not create it, but merely improved it (Do not quote me on this, I am not a US history major). Stop being ignorant and stop insulting people.
I do agree with most people that yes, he is great with bugs... that is all.
Lt. Vinciti, I do agree that a Brony Thread would indeed be awesome... but this hate is a little to extreme currently...
Minecraft is an awesome game. One of the best I have every played. I do like Notches work and what has created. It is in fact something I have always wanted to play. But I always see improvements that could be made that Notch could accept and implement fully into the game. But sometimes I feel that is just going to slow; but maybe that is because it feels like it is a full game that is missing its parts instead of it being a Beta. I hope everyone now understands my standpoint on this and no longer hates me (to much) for my thoughts on the matter. I hope you keep playing Minecraft as I will be.
This guy.DannibalG36 said:
I would also like to add that even without Mojang-implemented mod support, it's still pretty easy to install mods yourself. I should know, every last update to Millenaire to come out since just before the switch from 1.5 I've almost immediately installed (It makes me feel less lonely in singleplayer x_x)
What I REALLY want out of Notch and his band of merry modders is some code optimization. My computer really chugs when I get to going, probably because I have a kind of shitty hard drive, and I've heard Minecraft is very hard drive intensive.
That being said, I really appreciate how my game crashing whenever the saves got much bigger than 8 MB was fixed in one of the more recent updates. That made me happy.
Wah, besides the fact he wants people to pay for a beta(though its a damn good beta, aint gonna lie) he hasn't done anything wrong.
Notch isn't the first person to have people pay for beta testing privileges. Have you ever heard of a little game called "Pokemon"?Shock and Awe said:
Just saying, it's nothing new.
I'm undecided, mainly because he always, ALWAYS misses update months, the adventure pack was due earlier this month, and pistons were before that. Its a lot of work, but he keeps doing well on the game, I can't hate him, its frustrating to see HOW LONG it takes for him to get an update out. If he could do what many other games do, release small bits of an update throughout the wait time, then unveil it, it could benefit, but as stands, nothing is really happening to let us know if the adventure pack will do what, or if it will do this or that. Thats my main pick, its like hes hiding his own game's selling points, and leaving anyone who wants to see what its about is getting tough shit because of it, having to watch user generated reviews, stories, lets plays [god, Kootra, the game is not 9,000,000 million episodes worth, you can do something else now {YES I HATE KOOTRA}] Not much else helps an outsider find out about the party thats inside.
One of the things I was going to do, right after reading this, was work on a new skin, and make him something themed around the update, but I FUCKING CAN'T BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT IT..... Ok, main point, the updates could be more introducing to the players and new comers, telling us what is happening with the game's updates coming up, instead of hiding it throughout Notche's twitter.
One of the things I was going to do, right after reading this, was work on a new skin, and make him something themed around the update, but I FUCKING CAN'T BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT IT..... Ok, main point, the updates could be more introducing to the players and new comers, telling us what is happening with the game's updates coming up, instead of hiding it throughout Notche's twitter.
Maybe it'd be nice if they told us more instead of wanting to keep things a surprise, but I have to say, I'm not particularly fond of the idea of MORE and SMALLER updates. Let's face it, there's no way he's going to implement ALL the mods EFFECTIVELY in ONE update, and every time he updates, he has to release a new mod kit too, which means you're playing an older version of Minecraft with your beloved mods, or you're dumb and playing the newest one without them for torturous weeks.Aprilgold said: