dathwampeer said:
101flyboy said:
dathwampeer said:
101flyboy said:
dathwampeer said:
mr_rubino said:
dathwampeer said:
7 people are hyper sensitive.
I'm going to also continue to use the word ****** as an insult.
This overly testy politically correct nonsense is beginning to try my patience.
Yes, next thing you know, you won't be able to drop the N-bomb freely.
Honestly now. I'm not offended by it, but this "pretend this is a new thing" kinda stuff is why I almost don't want to admit it. I feared this topic would be filled with people (i.e. SWM 13-25) claiming they don't know why it's supposed to be offensive when I read the title. Because these topics always are.
Has ****** even actually meant a bundle of sticks any time in the last 50 years? I'm pretty sure at this point it's just an excuse for every supposedly-clever person to show that they really don't get that words occasionally change meanings over the years.
That's not political correctness. That's racism. As far as I know, a ****** isn't a race. It also doesn't mean a homosexual. It (when used in the derogatory sense) means someone who is unfit to live as part of society. It's only recently began to mean homosexual and then even more recently it's stopped meaning that.
I have nothing against people with tact. Political correctness is a good way to destroy some prejudices. It's also a very good way to get you tangled up in so much bureaucracy that you can't use half the words in the English dictionary because someone feels they have a negative connotation.
And, this is essentially what I'm talking about. If the n-word is racism, than ****** is homophobia. "A ****** isn't a race" says it all. I mean, I only wish people would get real with the true attitude behind using this word and the lack of any sort of care with it. It's because gay people, especially gay men, are not considered fully equal, or even fully human. Let's stop pretending otherwise. Because if it were otherwise, than the n-word, ****, ***** etc., would be used openly and just be normal social vocabulary, and these words are not. It has not stopped meaning homosexual because people want it to stop meaning that. That's simply shooing the issue away because people don't want to and don't care about addressing it. The word has been used in connection to gay men for a LONG time, and it still most certainly is.
Heterosexuals can't just decide to take back the word or decide what it means, and say it carries no power with it. This isn't about us. This is about the gays. And the context ****** is used 90% of the time is directly linked to anti-gay stereotypes.
The only reason I abstain from using racial terms is because they tend to ruffle more feathers than they're worth. It's a very sensitive subject. I don't particularly agree with it. I'd very much love to use any word I like. But there is a huge difference between someone shouting '******' in an attempt to oppress an entire race. and someone using the word '******' as an unbiased insult.
I always use the word. but I don't insinuate that being homosexual is bad. i just like the word as an insult.
The reason racial slurs ruffle feathers, is because they have been accepted as wrong. The reason you aren't hearing comedians call women cunts, is because it has been accepted as wrong. It has NOT been accepted as wrong to use slurs with connections to homosexuals/homosexuality, and it has not been accepted as wrong to be anti-gay. That's the difference. It's a sensitive subject because people instinctively KNOW what the n-word means and why it's offensive. People know the same thing about ****** too. But, the difference is, people don't actually care enough or at all about gay people, so they use the word anyway. Or, they go out of their way to justify the usage of the word, or they simply dismiss and ignore everything that comes with the word. Because people don't want to address homophobia, because they don't want to address homosexuality, ****** continues as a slur most see as "funny" and "normal". It's an unbiased word in that it's levied against anyone, but that's sort of the problem. It is unbiased. It is something that is universally used to negative attack an individual. It's not JUST a word, otherwise, it wouldn't be used so widespread.
There isn't a difference between shouting a word with connection to a group of people because of their race, and shouting a word with a connection to a group of people because of their sexuality. There is NOT a difference. That is the biggest problem of all, and I'll repeat what I said before. LGBT people aren't fully respected as equal or human. You don't personally need to insinuate homosexuality is bad by using ******. The word itself does that damage.
You're grossly over simplifying the issue. And insinuating things that are based entirely on your assumptions.
The difference between using '******' and '******' as an insult isn't people caring more about one than the other. For one. Gay's weren't subjugated on quite as large a scale. For another. '******' is a clear oppressive insult. You don't call a white guy one for the lul's. If someone uses the word, it's usually in racial hostility. If someone uses '******' it's usually as an unbiased insult to whoever they want to insult. That's a very clear difference.
And I have no problem with homosexuality. And when someone is actually being homophobic I will say something about it. That won't stop me from using the word ****** or gay as an insult. Just like the fact I like women doesn't mean I won't say ****. And what the fuck kind of comedians do you watch who're too afraid to say '****'? Barring racial slurs, there are very few words comedians won't use in their acts.
Saying "gays weren't subjugated on quite as large a scale" says it all. What's interesting about that is, gay/lesbian folk have been discriminated against throughout modern history, and are still discriminated against. So, to me, that statement trivializes what the gay community has went and continues to go through. Secondly, your attitude is basically exactly my entire point, you don't put gay people on the same plane as other groups. So, you aren't going to have the same reaction when it comes to anti-gay slurs as you would with other groups.
You don't hear many comedians literally saying "women are cunts". They'll work it into their script, of course. However, gay jokes are literally like, the top of the charts in terms of what/who to joke about. Movies, TV, comedy, everything. Gay men are reduce to basic stereotypes, they are all flamers, who act like and want to be women. Because people are INSECURE about homosexuality, they make jokes about it to lighten the situation, not realizing that instead, you are making a joke of the lives of individuals.
I'm not over-simplifying the issue, I don't think. ****** is an clear oppressive insult. ****** is also. ****** IS a clear oppressive insult. Oppressive=unjustly inflicting hardship and constraint. That's what ****** does, you are going out of your way to tell someone "hey, don't do that, you are being a ******." You don't call someone a ****** for the jokes, it's an OFFENSIVE term, meant to be OFFENSIVE, not all the time, but a good 80-90% of the time. ****** IS a loaded term, and what do most people think when using it? Unfit, weak, unmanly, bitchy etc. All stereotypes against gay men.
Just because ****** isn't just used against gay men, doesn't make it not an offensive word. All this means is that faggotry is universally condemned. And, in turn, homosexuality is condemned by a large portion of society. Gay is how people identify, how can anyone believe using how someone IDENTIFIES is a generic insult, will not be offensive to said person?
