Poll: There is no justifiable reason for civilians to own modern weapons.

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mooncalf

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ninjajoeman said:
people use big words to sound smart =]

like this
you sir are a leach sucking at the vein of acknowledgment by acting higher then your brothers through cheap parlour tricks and flare of the tongue.

ps: If you do talk like that try to say what you are saying in engrish.
That hurts, I just try to express myself in a way which makes sense to me, I don't expect people to be impressed. If you think I screwed up, why rub it in like that?

Nuke_em_05 said:
I really hate to de-rail things or make unrelated comments, but seriously?

"Even with typos"?
I summarised (Or paraphrased?) - in agreeing with you - my similar ideas on the subject. "Even with typos" was a cliche thing to put there, I didn't think about it much, I regret it. If you think I padded my post with deliberately flowery language, you're wrong, I was trying to use an analogy, or metaphor, because I understand stories better than hard facts.

Forums are frustrating places for me sometimes. :)
 

Shock and Awe

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There is no need for civilians to have automatic weapons of any kind, hell, many modern militaries' main combat rifles don't do full auto, civilians sure as hell don't need that kind of fire power!

That being said, when it comes to semi-auto or bolt action weapons I say have at it.
 

Modoutnarrim

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But is it worth this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
Notice that the vast majority of those deaths are suicides, and that's true for almost no other country, not even those in the developing world.

So we don't need to ban guns. We need to stop hating ourselves.

Say, what's been the general tone of this thread?
 

Del-Toro

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The Hairminator said:
By removing guns from the masses you also remove the need of guns from the masses.
In a gunless society no one needs a gun to defend himself.
By removing such weapons from the masses you do nothing about the many illegal guns (who's owners aren't just going to hand them oner because the feds say so) , Which are the most likely ones to be used, as opposed to legal gun owners who have, say, a bolt action rifle for hunting and generally aren't going to be used on humans. Besides, people stirred shit up before there were guns so you would still have violence, it's not as if humans learned to hurt each other only once black powder was weaponized. Criminals still use knives and bats, I say we ban those too, and cut of all hands and shins. Then we will never have to fight again!
 

Romblen

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Why do we need to ban something every time some one does something stupid? If a couple people run over other people with cars, should we ban all cars?

69 million gun owners in America have never killed anyone. I own a gun, and I've never killed anyone. I've never even pointed a gun at some one, loaded or not. So does that mean I shouldn't own a gun? I use it for shooting targets. If a couple people run over other people with cars, should we ban all cars?

And to that guy who said just call the police, even if you live in a city, it takes the cops a long time to get to where you're house is. A gun, if kept accessible in your house, can help you much quicker.
 

sunpop

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Limiting people to bolt action wouldn't be the worst thing simply because they are slower. Letting people have fully automatic guns and any kind. or an assault rifle is stupid. Why would anyone need a gun that can dump an entire clip in under a minute I cannot say. Personally I never saw a deer in the world that requires at least 30 bullets in it to bring it down.

Limit the best guns to the military and police for crime would be a whole hell of a lot different if your average guy tried to rob a bank with a bolt action while the cops are outside with high powered sniper rifles and fully automatic guns.

The constitution in America says we can have a militia too but somehow I know people would piss and moan if I decided to throw one together and go on patrols.

Now the best part is that I can have a rifle sitting in the back window of my car for all to see but god forbid I have a sword anywhere in that car, or a knife or a baton or any kind of melee weapon because I could hurt someone with one of those if I caught them. -.-

Oh also they need to give everyone a shotgun for free just in case of a zombie Apocalypse.
 

Rigs83

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Guns are how you thin out the herd. Nothing really eats people so we have to kill each other. It's
Nature's way.
 

TacticalAssassin1

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traceur_ said:
I think civilians should be allowed to own all kinds of guns, but not allowed to keep ammo on the same premises. If you use them, I reckon you should be able hire an ammo locker at gun range or something.

I think civilians should be allowed to use any non-lethal or non-crippling weapon (i.e. stun gun, bean bag shotgun etc) in the correct legal circumstances.
I'm with you on this one. I think it's rediculous to have working assault rifles and shotguns at home, you should only be allowed display weapons at home, as in ones that won't fire. But on the other hand, everybody should have the opportunity to shoot anything short of an RPG, and sometimes even an RPG if done safely.
 

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sunpop said:
Limiting people to bolt action wouldn't be the worst thing simply because they are slower. Letting people have fully automatic guns and any kind. or an assault rifle is stupid. Why would anyone need a gun that can dump an entire clip in under a minute I cannot say. Personally I never saw a deer in the world that requires at least 30 bullets in it to bring it down.

Limit the best guns to the military and police for crime would be a whole hell of a lot different if your average guy tried to rob a bank with a bolt action while the cops are outside with high powered sniper rifles and fully automatic guns.

The constitution in America says we can have a militia too but somehow I know people would piss and moan if I decided to throw one together and go on patrols.

Now the best part is that I can have a rifle sitting in the back window of my car for all to see but god forbid I have a sword anywhere in that car, or a knife or a baton or any kind of melee weapon because I could hurt someone with one of those if I caught them. -.-

Oh also they need to give everyone a shotgun for free just in case of a zombie Apocalypse.
Why would criminals obey gun laws while robbing a bank? Laws don't stop guns from being sold and used they just force them to be traded underground in criminal markets alongside drugs and peoples. I am pretty sure the gun laws are pretty strict in India but Pakistani terrorist were still able to rage war in the streets of Mumbai for sixty hours before being put down by the police and army of India. Gun violence is just the cost of having the freedom to bare arms just like having talk show hosts call gynecologists who perform abortions baby killers and urging violence I mean action to save all the children they don"t give a damn about.
 

JWAN

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repeat thread much?
every
single
week
this site has people come in here and make a "GUNZ R BAD" thread as Michale Moors dick is flopping about in their collective mouths.

So I'm going to jump into this for just a post. This is where I stand, this is concrete, and this will be my belief to the day I die.

If someone try's to take my guns, first I will correct them and tell them to call them rifles, and then I will blow their gray matter all over my front lawn.

I don't care if its a politician or some random escapee from a local hippie commune. Its my right to be able to protect myself, my property, and my family I will kill to do that.

I will kill to keep that right.

I believe that everyone has the right to defend themselves, any race, creed, or sex (or sexually confused).

If someone tries to mug me, I will stab them, if they have a gun I will resist, attempt to take away the weapon and kill them with it just to make an example out of them I will crown them so when the coroner comes by he'll have to earn his pay by scooping up the stupid son-of-a-*****.

If someone breaks into my house I will either hold them at gunpoint (like the last guy) or if I believe they have a weapon I will kill them, and take whatever money he has to pay the cleaning crew who will have to steam vac the carpets.
 

Krythe

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Justifiable Reasons

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UltraParanoia

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Oh but if someone mugs you or breaks into your house it's just because they are disadvantaged by the system or down on their luck! You r a heartless person.

srsly.
 

Krythe

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Slightly Less Justifiable Reasons That Are Infinitely More Entertaining

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michael_ab

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knightguy123 said:
im going to go to an old saying:guns dont kill people, people kill people
WRONG

guns were invented for the SOLE reason to kill someone, along with swords, nukes and any number of weapons
 

michael_ab

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Shynobee said:
michael_ab said:
in short the 2nd amendment was to enable us to defend ourselves from domestic militas, a goverment gone afoul, NOT ourselves
BUT.... as times change, defending ourselves has also become a legitimate argument for gun ownership. Especially for those people who live in areas where this police arrive in a less than timely manner.
but thats just the problem! what if we DIDNT have guns? no one would be thinkin "aww i gotta gun im a badass" and cause harm

and dont bring up that "if guns are outlawed, only outlaws would have guns" the fact is thats already the case... kinda. a disturbing percentage of homicides are done with stolen weapons
 

michael_ab

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Krythe said:
Justifiable Reasons

http://charlie180.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/burglar.jpg

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only a retarded burgler would come by when the house is occupied, wether or not your armed

you really sleep with your rifle?? and your likly only in that situation in the first place cuz youre hunting the damn thing

ok, you have a point

where do you think he GOT the guns?? either bought them, stole them, or their daddy's
 

michael_ab

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Krythe said:
Slightly Less Justifiable Reasons That Are Infinitely More Entertaining

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gimme another clip

molotoves work better

acid blood, shooting it only makes things worse... well if your on a space station

KILL IT KILL IT
 

Myrrath

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Semitendon said:
Let us examine the issue for a moment.

Banning guns only affects the law-abiding citizen directly.

The complaint is that law-abiding citizens should not have access to firearms. This is for two reasons.

1. There are previously law-abiding citizens who will buy a gun legally, and then go crazy and begin killing people.

2. There are retarded parents who allow minors to use or have access to firearms.

The argument becomes that guns should be taken from all citizens, regardless of intent or use, for the fear that they may be one of the two reasons listed above.

This is an illogical argument. For three reasons.

1. The people who go crazy, are not predictable. The assumption is that only citizens can go crazy and start killing people. In fact, military personel and police, go crazy and are just as deadly as their citizen counterpart. Also, a person who is insane, does not need a gun to kill people.

2. Retarded parents exist whether they have firearms or not. The children will always suffer the consequences of the parents stupidity to inadequately protect their children. In example, the same parent who does not protect their child from a firearm, will not protect them from injury by car or any other device. They do not watch their children to ensure safety, nor do they instruct their children on the dangerous.

3. The amount of people who go crazy, or are retarded parents, is VERY, VERY, small in comparison to the amount of people who are sane, and not retarded. In essence, the amount of gun deaths is a mere fraction of the people who actually own guns.

It is illogical to remove a legal right from an entire population based on the actions of a small, unpredictable, amount of people.

A logical argument would require the banning of guns for all people- criminals, military, citizens, and police. However, this cannot happen as the military will always need guns, and criminals will always have access to guns.

Given that there are two groups in a logical argument that will always have guns, the issue then becomes, are these the only people we want to have guns?

1. The criminal is an obvious no. However, criminals will always have access to guns, as long as guns continue to be manufactured anywhere in the world. So, then we must ask ourselves, is it logical for criminals to be the only people with guns? No.

2. The military is trained in the use of guns and controlled by the government, and would seem to be a logical choice for the only group being allowed to have guns. However, logic and history indicates that when one group of people have access to a deadly technology, it will inevitablly be used against the groups of people who do not have that technology. So, then the question becomes, should the government be trusted to not take advantage of the technology? Again, history and logic echo a resounding no.

Either everyone has guns, or no one has guns. This is the only logical answer. Since technology and society allows for the manufacture of guns across the world; and it is impossible to forcefully remove guns, from people with guns, without using guns yourself; then the only logical conclusion is that all people should have access to guns, and those that abuse guns should be restricted.

This is something that the founding fathers of America recognized. As a result, it was written into law. Unfortunately, because a small amount of people are missed by the restrictions, some members of society have decided that logic should be abandoned because it is emotionally painful to recognize that not everyone is responsible, or sane.
This sir, in an excellent explanation. Never thought about it this way.

"It is illogical to remove a legal right from an entire population based on the actions of a small, unpredictable, amount of people."

This statement I totally agree with. But not all people in every country think logically. For example, I am living in China (originally from Canada) and here there is no logic. An apartment building with central heat will turn the heat off for the whole building if only 1 tenant refuses to pay for it. In many cases here, policy is decided by the retarded minority. Which I actually think is the majority, because it is so hard to find an intelligent logical person here. Luckily I do know a few.

I did vote no, but more detail on the poll is needed. If gun possession could be controlled effectively than I would vote yes.
 

Myrrath

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But this should require that people be trained in the correct use of the weapons they want to use to defend themselves. Many people are killed by their own weapons because they have no real clue how to use them properly. Chances are the criminal knows better than you if only because of experience.

This of course is not always the case though.