Poll: Time Travel or FTL Travel?

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They're both pretty crap if you think long and hard about it. Time travel into the past would be insanely dangerous if your actions could influence what your present would turn out to be -- heck, even the sight of you appearing in a Time machine would properly completely and utterly change the course of history.

And then FTL travel is also terrible. Sure you'd be able to travel places, but then you would return to a world that is totally changed through the fact that time operates differently when you're moving at greater speeds. So everyone you know would be long dead, and possibly the Earth itself could be destroyed.
 

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I want Time Travel for the obviously awesome idea of it.
FTL travel is more useful to the continuing survival of our species. I pick FTL travel.

SOLVE media - capcha thing: beats me. Well that's how I felt for a little while.
 

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Shadowsetzer said:
Except that leads to the question of 'who decides what a proper application of time travel is'. Humanity has repeatedly shown that technology will be misused or outright abused almost as often as it's used correctly.
The question as stated says that I choose whether the technology is shared or kept to myself; I'm presuming I'm keeping it for myself, and naturally, my use of the technology is beyond reproach. ;)

More seriously, I find "where we are" somewhat dubious and untenable. In particular, I think if certain energy technologies could be introduced earlier in the timestream such that they had a batter chance to supplant coal and oil, we might well be better off.
 

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DVS BSTrD said:
FTL IS Time Travel. Besides if someone fucked-up the past it's not like we'd notice.
This is the correct way of viewing it, + 1 Internetz for you good sir/madam[footnote]Delete as appropriate[/footnote]

Anyway a time machine would have to be able to travel through space with absolute accuracy too if it would be of any use. You see everything is in motion. There is no such thing as absolute rest. You probably think you are sitting still while reading this post, your not. You are in fact on a spinning ball of rock which is it's self spinning round the sun, that is spinning around the galaxy, which is moving within the local cluster, that is also moving in relation to the rest of the universe.

If you had a time machine and traveled just one year into the past you had better be able to breath vacuum because when you re-appeared you would be in the same place but the earth will have moved on in space[footnote]Even if you went back exactly one year you might expect that the earth would be in the same place as when you left, but remember the solar system, galaxy, and universe have also moved. So even though the earth would be in the exact same place in it's orbit around the sun, the rest of the universe has moved, taking the solar system with it [/footnote]

MasterOfHisOwnDomain said:
They're both pretty crap if you think long and hard about it. Time travel into the past would be insanely dangerous if your actions could influence what your present would turn out to be -- heck, even the sight of you appearing in a Time machine would properly completely and utterly change the course of history.
Well not really, it wold be impossible for you to fuck up the past. You see if you somehow changed something that altered the future then when you got back to the future the thing you changed would always have been that way. Also say you changed history to accidently and caused, some how, your mum and dad not to ever meet, you would never have been born. Meaning you could not go back to change anything.

And then FTL travel is also terrible. Sure you'd be able to travel places, but then you would return to a world that is totally changed through the fact that time operates differently when you're moving at greater speeds. So everyone you know would be long dead, and possibly the Earth itself could be destroyed.
Depends on the method of FTL.

Yeah sure that would happen if you accelerated all the way to c using something like a rocket or some other means of convectional propulsion. Though with this method we would still somehow need to get round the problem of mass increasing exponentially as an object approached c. This method would also need you to be able to generate stupid amounts of energy too.

However you can get round it by using a 'warp' drive, which warps space around the object. This would negate the time dilation by allowing the object to travel faster than the speed of light without actually braking c. This btw is currently in the very very early stages of research [http://www.zmescience.com/space/warp-drive-plausible-nasa-research-312031/]

So in closing FTL FTW! :eek:D
 

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Invent time machine. Go forward in time until someone else has developed FTL travel. Steal the technology. Win.

The7Sins said:
Step 1 Memorize every single sports champion winners going back to 1995.
Step 2 Get all my money.
Step 3 Go back in time with all my money.
Step 4 Vegas.
Step 5 Get arrested for passing around obvious counterfeit money. (Cash looked quite a bit different in 1995 than it does now.)
 

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The7Sins said:
The Rogue Wolf said:
Invent time machine. Go forward in time until someone else has developed FTL travel. Steal the technology. Win.

The7Sins said:
Step 1 Memorize every single sports champion winners going back to 1995.
Step 2 Get all my money.
Step 3 Go back in time with all my money.
Step 4 Vegas.
Step 5 Get arrested for passing around obvious counterfeit money. (Cash looked quite a bit different in 1995 than it does now.)
Old bills still exist.
Fair point. But did you think of that before I said something? ;)

(Besides, gold or jewelrey would be easier. Buy a few things here, sell them off there. Not that I've made plans myself, mind you....)
 

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I'm not sure they are different things.

seriously, every version of FTL implys time travel.
 

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Now where was I?
Time travel: pros and cons. Right.

Pros: Fun as all else. Not to mention that the entire field of history now has an extremely practical use as a chronograpy guide. A chonography guide that I can fill in for myself!
Cons: ...Yeah, timelines and all that. Trust me, I'll be responsible. I know all about proper time travel etiquette: I've read Homestuck. You have absolutely nothing to worry about.

Wait, hold on. Is this the beginning of the post? Great scott! I must have overshot!
And I'm too lazy to account for reading time and shuffle it around to the correct order. So, you're on your own. I'mma gonna get me some Chinese food.
From Ancient China.And lo, the good and fair knights of the Socratic table in the corner of that one restaurant posed a wise and interesting conundrum out of boredom.
Which would be the better ability for one to attain? To go out and explore the cosmos and ride to the corners of the physical universe, or to gain the ability to globe-trot through human history?
And lo, they did indeed ask C F.
And C F, waiving a mug of soda, gaily replied with a sing-song voice: "Tiiiiiime travel~!"

Why?
Well, I believe that there's nothing out there in terms of other mortal species with intelligent life.
Worse comes to worst, I get proven wrong. Well, would it really be the better choice?
Am I to go discover and subsequently screw with a whole other civilization? I think it would be best if I stick to messing with what we already have instead of getting new variables involved. Let it happen with the natural progress of due time, instead of with a flippant yet incredibly charismatic idiot at the reins of a Deus Ex Machina.

Speaking of that incredibly charismatic idiot I mean "due time", let's travel through time!
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FTL, simply because time travel is actually theoretically possible and thus not quite as awesome.
 

sirtommygunn

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Get Time Machine, travel to the future when FTL travel is common, buy a FTL ship, go wherever and whenever you want.
 

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Time travel, and all that "time travel causes paradoxes which destroy the universe" is silly. The problem is that everyone thinks there must be a first instance of time travel, but there wouldn't be! Go back and meet yourself? how is that a paradox if it's the you from two different points in time. Stupid time-travel movies giving people silly ideas about time travel.
 

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Naeras said:
FTL, simply because time travel is actually theoretically possible and thus not quite as awesome.
...

E'splain, please, how time travel is more/less theoretically possible than FTL.
 

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DVS BSTrD said:
FTL IS Time Travel.
Indeed. They're one and the same thing.

And I personally wouldn't want to go fucking around with causality. The universe could maybe handle it, but our puny minds couldn't.
 

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Time travel encompasses a lot of very complex factors which have to be considered if it is to be used properly, we are not Timelords, the amount things we could mess up is staggering.
Same could be said about FTL, depending on what sort of technique we employ, we could again mess up very badly, because depending on how well we figure all that crap up, we could end up with any one of the sci-fi bad scenarios related to space /and time manipulation.
 

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Time Travel. I could go back in time and kill myself right before I go back in time to kill myself!
 

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From a purely selfish perspective I'd choose time travel so that I could go to the future and see what technological advances we might make or go to the past and find the answer to mysteries like the Mary Celeste and who shot Kennedy.

But the stated rules mean that warp drive could then never be invented and humanity would forever be limited to Earth and the solar system.

So for the greater good of humanity I choose FTL.
 

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GTwander said:
Naeras said:
FTL, simply because time travel is actually theoretically possible and thus not quite as awesome.
...

E'splain, please, how time travel is more/less theoretically possible than FTL.
I don't know if it's MORE possible, but if FTL is possible, that means that time travel is possible.

http://thebestforumever.com/community/threads/tachyon-pistol-duel-thought-experiment.47326/