Poll: Torchlight 2 or Diablo 3
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Torchlight 2 was a bland, generic, lifeless, and poor attempt at simply trying to recreate Diablo 2 without moving anything forward.
Diablo 3 actually tried to do things differently and change the formula, it felt new and like an advancement in the hack and slash genre.
Therefore Diablo 3 is the better game.
Diablo 3 actually tried to do things differently and change the formula, it felt new and like an advancement in the hack and slash genre.
Therefore Diablo 3 is the better game.
The problem is that everything Diablo 3 did to try and 'change the forumla' was bad. Always on connections? Auction House? And most unforgivable of all inability to change the difficulty when starting a new character. Seriously, that alone kills any intention whatsoever I'd have had of replaying the game, knowing that I'd have to play through it a second time on boring-ass easy mode just to get to a level of difficulty that's actually interesting.Andrewtheeviscerator said:
Then add a shit story, boring locations, and copy-paste enemy design and you've a game I've no intention of replaying any time in the future. It's not bad, the game mechanics are all there and despite the simplification I liked the way in which the game played. But all those downsides just make it such a teeth-grinding experience.
Seriously, what the hell was Blizzard thinking with the difficulty? Really?
Torchlight 2 by contrast might not do anything new, but what it does it does well and it allows me to play how I want to play. Helps that I like the visual style and the music is fantastic as well.
Well story and locations are subjective so I'm not going to argue that since it would be a waste of both our times, but I will say that the story was nothing to write home about although passable and the cut scenes were entertaining enough.The Madman said:
The difficulty thing well that's kinda of how Diablo is. It was the same in Diablo 1 and 2 were you play through regular then progress through to higher difficulties although regular difficulty was much more difficult in the older ones than 3. Not saying that the method is good or bad just that it is and why they did that, personally I'm fine with both ways of doing it.
I've only tried the demo for TL2, but I didn't think all that much of it. The core gameplay wasn't nearly as tight as D3's, and the itemisation (which was D3's real weakness) seemed to be the same old stuff. I'll have to try it properly later on down the line. I think they released it at the wrong time frankly. I was burned out on D3 enough that I got annoyed by a lot of the similarities, and it was never going to compete for my time with Borderlands 2 (the one that actually got the itemisation right).
Don't forget adding massive fucking hitbox-tracking, rendering maneuvering to avoid damage mostly useless.The Madman said:
Or how about those useless, randomized stats tacked onto legendary items?
No, no. Diablo 3 is clearly the better game because it brought us the "innovation" of skill runes instead of a skill tree, and then making 90% of all skill combinations utterly fucking worthless.
If Torchlight 2 mires in the trappings of the genre, Diablo 3 sunk them under the weight of its own bullshit.
Diablo III tried new things and they were all shit. Torchlight II kept to formula, and did what it did well. Also, Diablo III is $40 more.
You can increase the difficulty at the start of the game now actually. You don't jump from normal to nightmare or somethin like that, but you can increase the difficulty of the current settin dramatically by usin the new monster power thing. At MP 10 mobs (includin bosses/champion packs/whatever the silver one is called) have 400% more health and do 200% more damage. You also get increased xp, gold find, and magic find for usin it.The Madman said:
Its quite handy actually. Makes it so that its not one giant snooze fest from difficulty to difficulty and, best of all, you can change it up whenever you like in case you run into an area or boss thats a bit too difficult at the current settin. Its not terribly efficient if you're simply goin for levels, but if you're lookin for the game to actually be a challenge its great for that.
As a stand alone game, not taking into account any player-created content, Diablo 3 is a VASTLY better game than TL2. It's more polished, has better visuals, has a bit more combat depth, and is just slightly better in every regard. Depending on how you feel about the AH, that is either a positive or negative. I'm torn about it, so I won't count it as either.
However... Torchlight was an amazing game because of the mods, addons, console cheats, and content created by players. The base game wasn't even that great. After you add all the player-created bells and whistles though, it's a vastly better experience than Diablo 3, which got boring quickly for me. I haven't played Torchlight 2 yet, but if it has a similar level of player created content as the first game, it's a wonderful experience.
However... Torchlight was an amazing game because of the mods, addons, console cheats, and content created by players. The base game wasn't even that great. After you add all the player-created bells and whistles though, it's a vastly better experience than Diablo 3, which got boring quickly for me. I haven't played Torchlight 2 yet, but if it has a similar level of player created content as the first game, it's a wonderful experience.
When will someone release a hack n slash as good as Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance 1/2? Those even beat the pants off d2, in terms of replayability, story and setting. Console-only and 2-player tops was pretty restrictive when compared to the 8 player d2 online stuff, but it was better in literally every other aspect.
Of the 2 choices here? Eh, d3 is better than TL2 with all the changes they've made. Still not very good, story could use a complete retcon/revamp, but at least it has a story.
Of the 2 choices here? Eh, d3 is better than TL2 with all the changes they've made. Still not very good, story could use a complete retcon/revamp, but at least it has a story.
Egh... hard to say. Both disappointed me in different ways.
I'd say if you don't have near perfect internet and rather save your cash, Torchlight 2.
If you'd rather have a more polished game experience and reliable flow of people to play it with/pawn your items off on. Diablo 3.
In the end if you just want to click shit and have fun doing it, either are probably up your alley.
I'd say if you don't have near perfect internet and rather save your cash, Torchlight 2.
If you'd rather have a more polished game experience and reliable flow of people to play it with/pawn your items off on. Diablo 3.
In the end if you just want to click shit and have fun doing it, either are probably up your alley.
Torchlight 2.
The combination of Always Online and RMAH drags Diablo 3 into the mud and beats it to death.
The combination of Always Online and RMAH drags Diablo 3 into the mud and beats it to death.