Poll: Twilight honored among "Exorcist" and "The Shining" at Academy Awards

[MercenaryCanary]

You know it is a sad day when one of our Escapist members tries to justify Twilight.
I will hang my head in shame.

 

[BonsaiK]

You know it is a sad day when one of our Escapist members tries to justify Twilight.
I will hang my head in shame.

What, instead of jumping on the "I hate it because everyone else does" bandwagon? Yeah, shame on me for not judging something.

I'm not saying that I think Twilight is the greatest thing in the world. I guess what I'm saying is this - people let it bother them way too much.

 

[ethaninja]

Wow.... not just because I absolutley HATE Douchelight, but the fact that is was "supposed" to be a "romance" and featured sparkling dudes... I am actually suprised it got classed as a horror.

 

[MercenaryCanary]

You know it is a sad day when one of our Escapist members tries to justify Twilight.
I will hang my head in shame.

What, instead of jumping on the "I hate it because everyone else does" bandwagon? Yeah, shame on me for not judging something.

I'm not saying that I think Twilight is the greatest thing in the world. I guess what I'm saying is this - people let it bother them way too much.

Well, the only reason it bothers me is the same reason Halo used to bother people:
Because it is so ridiculously popular only because its accessible to a large audience.
That audience isn't smart though.
At least with Halo, you had a chance of said audience being smart.
But no, now with Twilight, you have basically an entire large female fan base that seems ridiculously ravenous for their boring movies and generic books.
And being a teenager, I have to put up with the damned things each time I go to school.
I'll have to work with people in the class, and their conversation will go not towards something interesting, but towards the damned failure of a story that is the books and movies.

Hey, I got a reason.

EDIT:
That, and there still isn't that much of a good reason for it to be with horror movies. You can even ask the fans of the series, they'll disagree with it being in there.

 

[TOGSolid]

at least aliens and Evil Dead 2 were in the montage.

Oh, and I call utter bullshit on the Hurt Locker winning best picture.

I'm really hoping you were rooting for Inglorious Basterds like I was. If you were hoping Avatar to win, you and I are going to have a fight on our hands. *gets his rapier ready*

I wanted either District 9 or Basterds to win. I liked Avatar, but not in a classic movie sense.

Yeah, Avatar was pretty to look at, but there really wasn't any substance to it. I still need to get off my ass and watch District 9. I'm supposed to watch it with a friend of mine, but she's been pretty sick for a while now. I've been holding off until she gets better.

 

[RJ Dalton]

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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouFailLogicForever
Try not to take offense, but your response to me was loaded with logical fallacies. Scroll through and you'll be able to pick them out.

 

[Deadpewl]

You heard me, "Twilight" was honored in a horror movie montage that included such films as "Jaws", "Silence of the Lambs", "Friday the Thirteenth", "The Shining", "The Exorcist", and "Rosemary's Baby" among others.

As another personal slap in the face of horror movie fans, the tribute to horror films was actually presented on stage by the two stars of the second Twilight film.

Your thoughts?

Well it clearly horrified you enough to make this thread, right?

Not the film, but the ooze in the brains of the film maker that made the montage.

I don't see what the big deal is. It's just a movie. Some people like it, some don't. So what? Most horror movies are frankly crap anyway, there's only a tiny handful of genuinely good ones.

I can tell that you've never seen twilight. Otherwise you would see why its a problem that its included among the best HORROR movies.

It's got "vampires" in it (of a sort), close enough. God, Twilight haters sure get nitpicky. You need to understand that this is a massively popular film whether you like it or not and that if the Oscars don't include it in some montage or whatever, they look like a bunch of lame elitist snobs. Most horror films are complete rubbish anyway, it's a genre notorious for turning out lame copycat garbage.

ITS. NOT. A. HORROR. MOVIE. (yes caps were necessary)! Thats like saying Romeo and Juliet was an action story because it had swords in it. it was a romance that happened to include vampires.

Does not matter it looks close enough at a glance. (p.s caps are annoying)

* Black spine and predominatly black graphic design
* Vampires (ish)
* It's called "Twilight" implying the coming darkness etc

That's all you need to be called "horror" these days let's face it. Hollywood does not care about elitist horror fan rage because it doesn't pay the bills. In the real world (the one that trendy bandwagon-jumping Twilight-haters generally spend little time in) money is more important than hazy concepts like "how exactly is a horror film defined" so they'll use the "if it talks like a duck it must be a duck" philosophy and tribute the things that lined their pockets and if you don't like it they frankly don't care because you're not the target group who this is marketed to anyway.

I dont give a crap what they think. If I did, I would write them an angry letter or something (which would still do nothing, but still). Im not trying o change anything and Im not stupid enough to think that corporations do care about anything other than money. Im just acknowledging how stupid it is that Twilight was considered a horror movie. Basically all that you're saying is "its okay because I don't care" or "its okay because they don't care".

 

[Da_Schwartz]

Yes thsi is why the academy is shot. Beetlehjuice was also mentioned as a classic horror film.. wtf.

 

[SnootyEnglishman]

If twilight passes for a horror film then anything Uwe Boll has ever made should be considered a horror film as well. This is almost as big a tragedy as Jethro Tull winning a grammy for Heavy Metal performance

 

[MR T3D]

Yeah well Mark Twain was a noted smartass. The fact is, he worked very hard at his craft and fame/popularity was something he actively pursued, not just with his writing but also his inventions and other areas. There's nothing arbitrary about the fame that he received.

The sexual overtones in Twilight and the author's Mormon upbringing are no doubt directly related. Repressed sexual urges always emerge somewhere, so maybe this is a permissible way for her to experience and write about sexuality. Is it porn? I guess that depends on your definition of it. More than just Mormons like it though, and presumably they're not all just masturbating to it. I've met plenty of people who like the Twilight book but I haven't met one who gets off on it, although I'm sure those people do exist. The appeal is obviously broader than just that.

Ah, but the point being here, there is no objective identifier for fame and popularity. There is no single thing that all popular/famous stories have in common.

Yes there is. Lots of people like them and they make a shitload of money.

To say Twilight has no redeeming features is just bunk. People bought it, read it, liked it, spread the word, then more people bought it, liked it, spread the word etc... yes there's a hype machine too but that sort of stuff only really kicks in with books after there is enough sales to make phenomenal amounts of advertising financially feasible and worthwhile, and for that to happen, people have to genuinely like the damn book in the first place. Before the oh-so-trendy Twilight hatred kicked in, the book garnered mostly positive reviews from critics, and even the ones who did have some negative things to say about it still acknowledged the broad appeal of the book.

You've also got to remember Twilight's audience - Twilight is a "young adult" book, the writing deliberately isn't as mature as books which don't have that focus. It's not supposed to be "War And Peace". It's also not really aimed at guys, which is obviously why it gets so much disproportionate hate on this forum. But the book is obviously damn good at what it does, that much is crystal clear, or it just wouldn't be so popular.

Here's some links to various critical acclaim, some written before trendy Twilight bashing took over, some after:

http://www.schoollibraryjournal.com/article/CA446397.html?industryid=47085&q=twilight+meyer+review
http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/423654-Best_Children_s_Books_of_2005.php
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/children/article1081930.ece
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/bookclub/5989699/Twilight-high-school-drama-with-a-bloody-twist.html
http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2009/jul/13/living_real_life_romance88905/[/spoiler]

The reviews written later tend to have an air of self-justification about them, almost anticipating the hordes of criticism from bored male internet trend-following dingbats. Hating Twilight is the real trend. People pick on it because it's popular, and horror fans are having a little cry because it's more popular than their pet favourites are. That's really the only reason. If Twilight was just another book, you wouldn't care, and this thread wouldn't exist.

...
checks out links.
not what i'd call 'critical acclaim'
hell, 1/2 of these are 'recommended' blurb among dozen other books, or interviews with the author, which obviously would not be mated to less than favourable view. I'd call them neutral.
yeah, people hate on twilight because its popular, IE corrupting the minds of MANY young females.
As someone tall, thin, pale, NAMED EDWARD, i personally hate these books, because it makes me ashamed of my name because now it is seen as merely attracting these foolish young women.
i've spent time with fans of the book. none of them are in my circle of friends.

If Twilight was just another book, you wouldn't care, and this thread wouldn't exist.
IE it would not have been made into a movie, and not thrown in here among the 'horror' films.

 

[Cakes]

It's amazing how seriously people take this. I'm not a big fan of Twilight either, but really, calm the fuck down.

 

[CrazyGirl17]

(Facepalm) Excatly WHAT does Twilight have to do with Horror films? Is it because it has vampires in it? So did "Dracula: Dead and Loving It", but it was more of a comedy than anything! (Then again, it was a Mel Brooks film...)

This only adds more to my belief that the goth-wannabe tweenie-pop culture is slowly but surely taking over our culture.

 

[Altar]

You heard me, "Twilight" was honored in a horror movie montage that included such films as "Jaws", "Silence of the Lambs", "Friday the Thirteenth", "The Shining", "The Exorcist", and "Rosemary's Baby" among others.

As another personal slap in the face of horror movie fans, the tribute to horror films was actually presented on stage by the two stars of the second Twilight film.

Your thoughts?

Well it clearly horrified you enough to make this thread, right?

Not the film, but the ooze in the brains of the film maker that made the montage.

I don't see what the big deal is. It's just a movie. Some people like it, some don't. So what? Most horror movies are frankly crap anyway, there's only a tiny handful of genuinely good ones.

I can tell that you've never seen twilight. Otherwise you would see why its a problem that its included among the best HORROR movies.

It's got "vampires" in it (of a sort), close enough. God, Twilight haters sure get nitpicky. You need to understand that this is a massively popular film whether you like it or not and that if the Oscars don't include it in some montage or whatever, they look like a bunch of lame elitist snobs. Most horror films are complete rubbish anyway, it's a genre notorious for turning out lame copycat garbage.

Wait, because it has vampires in it, it's all of a sudden in the horror genre?! You hear that Sesame street, your now a horror...

 

[NIHILHATE]

This is fucking disgusting.

 

[Vaccine]

This is really an elaborate troll by the Academy Awards and you're all falling for it.

 

[bobknowsall]

Guys, it's just an awards show, and Twilight got a snippet of footage in a montage of other, better horror movies. The Academy's got to interest the teenage market somehow, and giving Twilight screen time at the awards is a very good way of doing that.

You don't like Twilight. We get that. Now stop reminding us.

 

[Rancid0ffspring]

NO!!! Just NO!!! Do not compare that drivell to Jaws, Silence of the lambs or The Shining. why was Alien not included in what ever this shitty comparison is? Oh Yeah I know why! The people who compiled it are obvious twatting arsehole wankers who love sparkly vampires with NO HORROR.

GARGH ANGER!!!!

Note: I respect The Exorcist for what it is but did not enjoy it.

 

[DustyDrB]

The only thing that really bugs me about the Twilight franchise is that its fans are often so much older than is the series' intended market. It's like if the Jonas Brothers were my favorite band or Sunny D my favorite source of calcium.