The big deal is Twilight doesn't come close to being a horror movie, it's some romance tween fucking bull shit movie that someone just stuck vampires in to make it sell moreBonsaiK said:
Poll: Twilight honored among "Exorcist" and "The Shining" at Academy Awards
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WARNING: this post will scare you.crimson5pheonix said:
Horror, and vampires in particular have always been about romance. Dracula was always portrayed as a charismatic, well-spoken man, he didn't force people into his castle, he lured and charmed them in. He even killed his victims in an embrace that looks and feels exactly like a bit of passionate necking until you feel the fangs sink in and then it's too late. If you want to see the inspiration for Twilight's vampires, look to the source. Twilight's vision of what a vampire is, is actually a lot closer in spirit to Bram Stoker's book than almost every other recent vampire film made, most of which take amazingly brazen liberties with the "vampire" formula (space vampires, zombie vampires, vampire werewolves, etc). A bitter pill for people here to swallow, no doubt, but Twilight succeeded while so many other vampire films disappeared into the land of 'meh' because Twilight actually mostly got vampires right.
Grief counselling is available via PM for distraught horror fans (as this thread will be locked soon no doubt).
BonsaiK said:
Well, maybe vampires for horror~romance, but not horror in general. How would you get romance out of an actual horror based werewolf movie?
Also, I thought the main vampire in Twilight didn't want to bite the main character, wouldn't that kind of mess things up? Or am I just wrong and he's toying with her?
Well, is that not where the appeal lies? The man is willing to (attempt to) exercise control of his natural urges for the sake of her? This type of moral quandary also appears in Bram Stoker's book and several early vampire film incarnations and gave those early protagonists a bit of extra depth and broader appeal. The early vampires were typically very tormented creatures, who were aware that they were sowing the seeds of their own destruction, but also knew they were powerless to permanently stop their true nature - only delay or repress it.crimson5pheonix said:
A werewolf is a man when he's not a wolf. In traditional werewolf literature, the werewolf only is in werewolf form during the full moon. Usually, once again, the werewolf in film "as man" is a romantic person with a love interest, who then has the torment of trying to hide his true nature and explain his awkward monthly absences to the girl he cares about. A constant battle between primal instinct and romantic ideals, once again, not unlike Twilight.
Whaaaaaaat?
I mean, no thats were i draw the line. Twilight is NOT a horror movie, unless it's some sick joke implying that the movie is so bad it's scary...no...no..i'm sorry..i can't accept this.
I mean, no thats were i draw the line. Twilight is NOT a horror movie, unless it's some sick joke implying that the movie is so bad it's scary...no...no..i'm sorry..i can't accept this.
BonsaiK said:
When did Dracula not want to feed? He only exercised control because it is socially uncouth to jump out and yell "Bleagh!" and start sucking.
As for the Werewolf one, then it becomes a romance movie instead of horror because the focus has shifted to love instead of constant stalking.
Lol, I was in the process of looking up links to source a paragraph just like this when I hit refresh. The vampire "trope" as we know it today is usually attributed to Stoker's "Dracula". However, Stoker was heavily influenced by Rymer's penny-dreadful series "Varney the Vampire" (no, i am not joking, that is his real name.) that came before by at least 50 years. In both we see the titular vampire in the sunlight, and in the case of Varney he "seemed to give off an unearthly aura, both appealing and repulsive." Sound familiar? (prob. not to most of you, because you couldn't be bothered to actually read the books, just jump on the nearest bandwagon; which happened to be hating Twilight)BonsaiK said:
Oh yes I've always found shiny pricks with an aversion to having sex with a eager women terrifying...but then I am so tragically homophobic...not really but the point I'm trying to make is that NO twilight is not a horror film it's a romance!
I think she found a way to be a world wide troll and not get banned from... Everything!Aby_Z said:
Actually I think the whole modern vampire thing has become overdone. It was cool when it started with things like "Lost Boys" and "Anita Blake" (to a lesser extent), but Twilight is part of a sub-genere evolution that I feel is going too far.
That said, I will say that I can actually see the Academy's point here. Like it or not, "Twilight" has gotten a lot of attention for the genere, even if it isn't critical attention. People who are watching horror movies now as teens who will probably move on to other stuff later.
While I actually think "Harry Potter" is pretty good overall, I admit that it's not great literature overall. I think it does deserve it's recogntion though (the knighting of JK Rowling for example) because it has gotten kids to read who otherwise probably never would have cracked a book. A similar point to Twilight.
Even the most "toxic" creation can have a positive effect, and when that effect is big enough it deserves some kind of recognition.
That said, I will say that I can actually see the Academy's point here. Like it or not, "Twilight" has gotten a lot of attention for the genere, even if it isn't critical attention. People who are watching horror movies now as teens who will probably move on to other stuff later.
While I actually think "Harry Potter" is pretty good overall, I admit that it's not great literature overall. I think it does deserve it's recogntion though (the knighting of JK Rowling for example) because it has gotten kids to read who otherwise probably never would have cracked a book. A similar point to Twilight.
Even the most "toxic" creation can have a positive effect, and when that effect is big enough it deserves some kind of recognition.
Yes you should've, 'cause then maybe you wouldn't have bothered watching them and wouldn't have had to have seen that disgraceful montage.tthor said:
I can only hope that this Twilight fad dies out sometime within the next few years. It's an offense to those of us who actually used to enjoy vampire movies to see little kids running around calling Twilight a "vampire movie", let alone a "good vampire movie".
