Poll: Twilight honored among "Exorcist" and "The Shining" at Academy Awards

[BonsaiK]

And how do you get horror~romance?

WARNING: this post will scare you.

Horror, and vampires in particular have always been about romance. Dracula was always portrayed as a charismatic, well-spoken man, he didn't force people into his castle, he lured and charmed them in. He even killed his victims in an embrace that looks and feels exactly like a bit of passionate necking until you feel the fangs sink in and then it's too late. If you want to see the inspiration for Twilight's vampires, look to the source. Twilight's vision of what a vampire is, is actually a lot closer in spirit to Bram Stoker's book than almost every other recent vampire film made, most of which take amazingly brazen liberties with the "vampire" formula (space vampires, zombie vampires, vampire werewolves, etc). A bitter pill for people here to swallow, no doubt, but Twilight succeeded while so many other vampire films disappeared into the land of 'meh' because Twilight actually mostly got vampires right[/i].

Grief counselling is available via PM for distraught horror fans (as this thread will be locked soon no doubt).

Well, maybe vampires for horror~romance, but not horror in general. How would you get romance out of an actual horror based werewolf movie?

Also, I thought the main vampire in Twilight didn't want to bight the main character, wouldn't that kind of mess things up? Or am I just wrong and he's toying with her?

Well, is that not where the appeal lies? The man is willing to (attempt to) exercise control the natural urges for the sake of her? This type of moral quandary also appears in Bram Stoker's book and several early vampire film incarnations and gave those early protagonists a bit of extra depth.

A werewolf is a man when he's not a wolf. In traditional werewolf literature, the werewolf only become a wolf during the full moon. Usually, once again, the werewolf in film "as man" is a romantic person with a love interest, who then has the torment of trying to hide his true nature and explain his awkward monthly absences to the girl he cares about. A constant battle between primal instinct and romantic ideals, once again, not unlike Twilight.

When did Dracula not want to feed? He only exercised control because it is socially uncouth to jump out and yell "Bleagh!" and start sucking.

As for the Werewolf one, then it becomes a romance movie instead of horror because the focus has shifted to love instead of constant stalking.

Well, yes, yes it does. Most werewolf films aren't just 90 minutes of a wolf chowing down. That would be boring (and most newer werewolf films that are nothing but this ARE very boring as a result). The classic werewolf films are all romance tales gone wrong.

Dracula always wanted to feed, but he had too much style and poise to go around just knocking off randoms. He knew the classiest way to feed on subjects of his required standard was to seduce his prey and let them come to him. He had the mansion, the bling and so forth, he knew what girls of the day liked. But there was always a little bit inside of him that had to try hard not to actually fall in love with the victims... hence the female character who always gets to stay in the house that little bit longer than her peers...

 

[Misterian]

Is that true?

what is this world coming to?

 

[RJ Dalton]

Cookie for you. You see folks, Twilight isn't the trend you should be up in arms about. Blindly hating Twilight is the trend that is the real problem here. Twilight is popular for more reasons than just the obvious.

Yeah, I don't buy that. You know what, I've thought of ways that sparkly vampires could work and I see no reason why the basic premise of Twilight can't be an engaging piece of literature. So, why then is it not? Well, it all gets down to the basic reason why I hate Twilight.
It has no depth or plot. For all the potential for greatness this novel could have had, Stephanie Meyer didn't do a damn thing with it. It's shallow, soft-core porn from a woman who's deathly afraid to admit to herself that that's what she's writing. It's sexually stimulating enough to get it's target audience into it, but not enough to scare away the more conservative members, which, based on the complete lack of skill Meyer displays in every other aspect of writing, I have to assume is more of an accident than any kind of conscious decision.

 

[Makon]

I can only hope that this Twilight fad dies out sometime within the next few years. It's an offense to those of us who actually used to enjoy vampire movies to see little kids running around calling Twilight a "vampire movie", let alone a "good vampire movie".

Amen to that, part of the reason why I liked Daybreakers as much as I did was because it was, as MovieBob put it, "The Anti-Twilight".

 

[Cain_Zeros]

Twilight? On par with Silence of the Lambs?

BLASPHEMY.

My first thought. Edward Cullen may be a creepy, stalker, abusive-boyfriend douche nugget, but he's not a horror villain, and he's certainly no Hannibal Lecter.

 

[Therumancer]

Oh yes I've always found shiny pricks with an aversion to having sex with a eager women terrifying...but then I am so tragically homophobic...not really but the point I'm trying to make is that NO twilight is not a horror film it's a romance!

It is however a work of fiction where any way you look at it there are supernatural creatures trying to kill the protaganists.

I would personally characterize it as a work of "dark fantasy" however, despite the romantic aspects, simply because the character "Edward" is the equal of most of the threats being faced. Or at least strong enough where I can't see him as being a victim in the truest sense.

I see the big differance between fantasy and horror is that in fantasy the protaganists are worthy of the opponents they face, in horror they are not and are typically underdogs far below most heroes (even weak ones who are supposed to be outclassed).

Unleash a bunch of aliens on an unprepared group of civilians on a space station and see a bloodbath, following the story of those civilians and you have horror. Drop someone like Master Chief or another Space-Marine type hero into the same enviroment, even with carnage all around, and now your looking at a work of space fantasy rather than horror, where all
you did was change the protaganist and his/her capabilities.

Take the first Alien movie for example, while set in space that was Horror. For Master Chief it would have been an annoyance (Blam! one shot from an uberweapon, the movie ends).

 

[ethan22122]

edwards a damn fairy.

 

[Pegghead]

but it isn't even HORROR! It's a teen drama with disco balls! GRAIHIH:OYGLKJBJHFDGHCVJGVJKB MNGVJGVBKJBVKJ!

 

[LiquidXlr8]

Cookie for you. You see folks, Twilight isn't the trend you should be up in arms about. Blindly hating Twilight is the trend that is the real problem here. Twilight is popular for more reasons than just the obvious.

Yeah, I don't buy that. You know what, I've thought of ways that sparkly vampires could work and I see no reason why the basic premise of Twilight can't be an engaging piece of literature. So, why then is it not? Well, it all gets down to the basic reason why I hate Twilight.
It has no depth or plot. For all the potential for greatness this novel could have had, Stephanie Meyer didn't do a damn thing with it. It's shallow, soft-core porn from a woman who's deathly afraid to admit to herself that that's what she's writing. It's sexually stimulating enough to get it's target audience into it, but not enough to scare away the more conservative members, which, based on the complete lack of skill Meyer displays in every other aspect of writing, I have to assume is more of an accident than any kind of conscious decision.

I think you missed a core point BonsaiK was trying to make: the /blindly/ hating twilight bit. You sound as if you may have read the books, or at least read the wiki (or at the very least just regurgitating what others who did do the work have said). That would not be blindly hating something, that would be knowing what the hell your talking about and not trolling a board bashing twilight because "vampires that sparkle" makes you tingly in the pants, but your rampant homophobia won't let you come out to your mum.

 

[Lim3]

I haven't seen it. But i voted absolutely not as there is one piece of evidence that suggests it is not horror.

That piece of evidence is...

...*drum roll*...

... No film can be horror if every second female aged 13-55 is infatuated with it!

Edit: Wait, maybe its the best horror film because when watching it the critics couldn't help but scream "THE HORROR THE HORROR" before gouging their eyes out.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

And how do you get horror~romance?

WARNING: this post will scare you.

Horror, and vampires in particular have always been about romance. Dracula was always portrayed as a charismatic, well-spoken man, he didn't force people into his castle, he lured and charmed them in. He even killed his victims in an embrace that looks and feels exactly like a bit of passionate necking until you feel the fangs sink in and then it's too late. If you want to see the inspiration for Twilight's vampires, look to the source. Twilight's vision of what a vampire is, is actually a lot closer in spirit to Bram Stoker's book than almost every other recent vampire film made, most of which take amazingly brazen liberties with the "vampire" formula (space vampires, zombie vampires, vampire werewolves, etc). A bitter pill for people here to swallow, no doubt, but Twilight succeeded while so many other vampire films disappeared into the land of 'meh' because Twilight actually mostly got vampires right[/i].

Grief counselling is available via PM for distraught horror fans (as this thread will be locked soon no doubt).

Well, maybe vampires for horror~romance, but not horror in general. How would you get romance out of an actual horror based werewolf movie?

Also, I thought the main vampire in Twilight didn't want to bight the main character, wouldn't that kind of mess things up? Or am I just wrong and he's toying with her?

Well, is that not where the appeal lies? The man is willing to (attempt to) exercise control the natural urges for the sake of her? This type of moral quandary also appears in Bram Stoker's book and several early vampire film incarnations and gave those early protagonists a bit of extra depth.

A werewolf is a man when he's not a wolf. In traditional werewolf literature, the werewolf only become a wolf during the full moon. Usually, once again, the werewolf in film "as man" is a romantic person with a love interest, who then has the torment of trying to hide his true nature and explain his awkward monthly absences to the girl he cares about. A constant battle between primal instinct and romantic ideals, once again, not unlike Twilight.

When did Dracula not want to feed? He only exercised control because it is socially uncouth to jump out and yell "Bleagh!" and start sucking.

As for the Werewolf one, then it becomes a romance movie instead of horror because the focus has shifted to love instead of constant stalking.

Well, yes, yes it does. Most werewolf films aren't just 90 minutes of a wolf chowing down. That would be boring (and most newer werewolf films that are nothing but this ARE very boring as a result). The classic werewolf films are all romance tales gone wrong.

Dracula always wanted to feed, but he had too much style and poise to go around just knocking off randoms. He knew the classiest way to feed on subjects of his required standard was to seduce his prey and let them come to him. He had the mansion, the bling and so forth, he knew what girls of the day liked. But there was always a little bit inside of him that had to try hard not to actually fall in love with the victims... hence the female character who always gets to stay in the house that little bit longer than her peers...

Well alright, fair enough. I still don't think horror and romance are intrinsic to each other, but it's there enough.

But the slight romance undercurrent in Dracula is different from the Twilight romance. His romance was a deepening feature to make him appear more human and that he was trying to turn himself into a true monster. But the Twilight vampire that has already given up and accepted romance is now nothing more then a super strong jumping jack. Part of why the Dracula romance is part of the horror is that he's still hunting people despite his lingering humanity. But Twilight vampire isn't actively hunting characters. He could be replaced with Superman and it would still work. That's all romance with the only horror coming from outside characters attacking.

 

[BonsaiK]

Cookie for you. You see folks, Twilight isn't the trend you should be up in arms about. Blindly hating Twilight is the trend that is the real problem here. Twilight is popular for more reasons than just the obvious.

Yeah, I don't buy that. You know what, I've thought of ways that sparkly vampires could work and I see no reason why the basic premise of Twilight can't be an engaging piece of literature. So, why then is it not? Well, it all gets down to the basic reason why I hate Twilight.
It has no depth or plot. For all the potential for greatness this novel could have had, Stephanie Meyer didn't do a damn thing with it. It's shallow, soft-core porn from a woman who's deathly afraid to admit to herself that that's what she's writing. It's sexually stimulating enough to get it's target audience into it, but not enough to scare away the more conservative members, which, based on the complete lack of skill Meyer displays in every other aspect of writing, I have to assume is more of an accident than any kind of conscious decision.

Gosh, you talk about soft-core porn and sexual stimulation like it's a bad thing.

If she's actually able to pitch the writing in such a way as you've described, and make such a grand commercial success out of it, then she's obviously an excellent author. Say what you want about her writing style, but no-one forced all those people to buy the very first book in droves, before the "trend" even began. You can't say "this is a calculated soft-porn" and then say in the same sentence "this has no skill" because a calculation like that requires a whole world of skill. Creative writers, artists, musicians etc search all their lives for that magic formula that appeals to so many people - very few find it and even fewer have the skill to exercise it. Nothing like this ever happens accidentally.

 

[LiquidXlr8]

And how do you get horror~romance?

WARNING: this post will scare you.

Horror, and vampires in particular have always been about romance. Dracula was always portrayed as a charismatic, well-spoken man, he didn't force people into his castle, he lured and charmed them in. He even killed his victims in an embrace that looks and feels exactly like a bit of passionate necking until you feel the fangs sink in and then it's too late. If you want to see the inspiration for Twilight's vampires, look to the source. Twilight's vision of what a vampire is, is actually a lot closer in spirit to Bram Stoker's book than almost every other recent vampire film made, most of which take amazingly brazen liberties with the "vampire" formula (space vampires, zombie vampires, vampire werewolves, etc). A bitter pill for people here to swallow, no doubt, but Twilight succeeded while so many other vampire films disappeared into the land of 'meh' because Twilight actually mostly got vampires right[/i].

Grief counselling is available via PM for distraught horror fans (as this thread will be locked soon no doubt).

Well, maybe vampires for horror~romance, but not horror in general. How would you get romance out of an actual horror based werewolf movie?

Also, I thought the main vampire in Twilight didn't want to bight the main character, wouldn't that kind of mess things up? Or am I just wrong and he's toying with her?

Well, is that not where the appeal lies? The man is willing to (attempt to) exercise control the natural urges for the sake of her? This type of moral quandary also appears in Bram Stoker's book and several early vampire film incarnations and gave those early protagonists a bit of extra depth.

A werewolf is a man when he's not a wolf. In traditional werewolf literature, the werewolf only become a wolf during the full moon. Usually, once again, the werewolf in film "as man" is a romantic person with a love interest, who then has the torment of trying to hide his true nature and explain his awkward monthly absences to the girl he cares about. A constant battle between primal instinct and romantic ideals, once again, not unlike Twilight.

When did Dracula not want to feed? He only exercised control because it is socially uncouth to jump out and yell "Bleagh!" and start sucking.

As for the Werewolf one, then it becomes a romance movie instead of horror because the focus has shifted to love instead of constant stalking.

Well, yes, yes it does. Most werewolf films aren't just 90 minutes of a wolf chowing down. That would be boring (and most newer werewolf films that are nothing but this ARE very boring as a result). The classic werewolf films are all romance tales gone wrong.

Dracula always wanted to feed, but he had too much style and poise to go around just knocking off randoms. He knew the classiest way to feed on subjects of his required standard was to seduce his prey and let them come to him. He had the mansion, the bling and so forth, he knew what girls of the day liked. But there was always a little bit inside of him that had to try hard not to actually fall in love with the victims... hence the female character who always gets to stay in the house that little bit longer than her peers...

Well alright, fair enough. I still don't think horror and romance are intrinsic to each other, but it's there enough.

But the slight romance undercurrent in Dracula is different from the Twilight romance. His romance was a deepening feature to make him appear more human and that he was trying to turn himself into a true monster. But the Twilight vampire that has already given up and accepted romance is now nothing more then a super strong jumping jack. Part of why the Dracula romance is part of the horror is that he's still hunting people despite his lingering humanity. But Twilight vampire isn't actively hunting characters. He could be replaced with Superman and it would still work. That's all romance with the only horror coming from outside characters attacking.

So if I were to post images from "Interview with a Vampire" into that gallery, would that have been considered horror. Because it obviously had horror elements. Anne Rice even won the Bram Stoker award for the series. But is also HEAVILY based around the romances. At one point you even have vampires who can and do walk in the sun.

 

[S.R.S.]

You heard me, "Twilight" was honored in a horror movie montage that included such films as "Jaws", "Silence of the Lambs", "Friday the Thirteenth", "The Shining", "The Exorcist", and "Rosemary's Baby" among others.

As another personal slap in the face of horror movie fans, the tribute to horror films was actually presented on stage by the two stars of the second Twilight film.

Your thoughts?

Slap?! more like kick in the balls.

The phrase "I have lost all faith in humanity" gets thrown around alot. I think I've found the second time I've actually meant it. The first was Glee destroying the greatest song evarr, Don't stop Belivin'.

 

[Lim3]

And how do you get horror~romance?

WARNING: this post will scare you.

Horror, and vampires in particular have always been about romance. Dracula was always portrayed as a charismatic, well-spoken man, he didn't force people into his castle, he lured and charmed them in. He even killed his victims in an embrace that looks and feels exactly like a bit of passionate necking until you feel the fangs sink in and then it's too late. If you want to see the inspiration for Twilight's vampires, look to the source. Twilight's vision of what a vampire is, is actually a lot closer in spirit to Bram Stoker's book than almost every other recent vampire film made, most of which take amazingly brazen liberties with the "vampire" formula (space vampires, zombie vampires, vampire werewolves, etc). A bitter pill for people here to swallow, no doubt, but Twilight succeeded while so many other vampire films disappeared into the land of 'meh' because Twilight actually mostly got vampires right[/i].

Grief counselling is available via PM for distraught horror fans (as this thread will be locked soon no doubt).

Well, maybe vampires for horror~romance, but not horror in general. How would you get romance out of an actual horror based werewolf movie?

Also, I thought the main vampire in Twilight didn't want to bight the main character, wouldn't that kind of mess things up? Or am I just wrong and he's toying with her?

Well, is that not where the appeal lies? The man is willing to (attempt to) exercise control the natural urges for the sake of her? This type of moral quandary also appears in Bram Stoker's book and several early vampire film incarnations and gave those early protagonists a bit of extra depth.

A werewolf is a man when he's not a wolf. In traditional werewolf literature, the werewolf only become a wolf during the full moon. Usually, once again, the werewolf in film "as man" is a romantic person with a love interest, who then has the torment of trying to hide his true nature and explain his awkward monthly absences to the girl he cares about. A constant battle between primal instinct and romantic ideals, once again, not unlike Twilight.

When did Dracula not want to feed? He only exercised control because it is socially uncouth to jump out and yell "Bleagh!" and start sucking.

As for the Werewolf one, then it becomes a romance movie instead of horror because the focus has shifted to love instead of constant stalking.

Well, yes, yes it does. Most werewolf films aren't just 90 minutes of a wolf chowing down. That would be boring (and most newer werewolf films that are nothing but this ARE very boring as a result). The classic werewolf films are all romance tales gone wrong.

Dracula always wanted to feed, but he had too much style and poise to go around just knocking off randoms. He knew the classiest way to feed on subjects of his required standard was to seduce his prey and let them come to him. He had the mansion, the bling and so forth, he knew what girls of the day liked. But there was always a little bit inside of him that had to try hard not to actually fall in love with the victims... hence the female character who always gets to stay in the house that little bit longer than her peers...

Well alright, fair enough. I still don't think horror and romance are intrinsic to each other, but it's there enough.

But the slight romance undercurrent in Dracula is different from the Twilight romance. His romance was a deepening feature to make him appear more human and that he was trying to turn himself into a true monster. But the Twilight vampire that has already given up and accepted romance is now nothing more then a super strong jumping jack. Part of why the Dracula romance is part of the horror is that he's still hunting people despite his lingering humanity. But Twilight vampire isn't actively hunting characters. He could be replaced with Superman and it would still work. That's all romance with the only horror coming from outside characters attacking.

For the record I've read the original Dracula and its nothing like that. In fact it's really very boring. Dracula comes to London. Dracula feeds on two pretty girls after hypnotizing them (and they don't remember). Then Jonathan Harker and co. (include Dr Van Helsing) hunt Dracula down in England. Then they hunt him down in Transylvania.

If your referring to a specific movie (ie Dracula 2000) then I apologize. Oh and i don't know which Dracula movie it is, but the one where he turns out to be Judas is such a cool twist. And for all you smart arses who say you saw it coming, well i was very young at the time.

 

[Infernai]

First Kojima...now horror movies.IS THERE NOTHING TWILIGHT WONT DESTROY!?

 

[crimson5pheonix]

And how do you get horror~romance?

WARNING: this post will scare you.

Horror, and vampires in particular have always been about romance. Dracula was always portrayed as a charismatic, well-spoken man, he didn't force people into his castle, he lured and charmed them in. He even killed his victims in an embrace that looks and feels exactly like a bit of passionate necking until you feel the fangs sink in and then it's too late. If you want to see the inspiration for Twilight's vampires, look to the source. Twilight's vision of what a vampire is, is actually a lot closer in spirit to Bram Stoker's book than almost every other recent vampire film made, most of which take amazingly brazen liberties with the "vampire" formula (space vampires, zombie vampires, vampire werewolves, etc). A bitter pill for people here to swallow, no doubt, but Twilight succeeded while so many other vampire films disappeared into the land of 'meh' because Twilight actually mostly got vampires right[/i].

Grief counselling is available via PM for distraught horror fans (as this thread will be locked soon no doubt).

Well, maybe vampires for horror~romance, but not horror in general. How would you get romance out of an actual horror based werewolf movie?

Also, I thought the main vampire in Twilight didn't want to bight the main character, wouldn't that kind of mess things up? Or am I just wrong and he's toying with her?

Well, is that not where the appeal lies? The man is willing to (attempt to) exercise control the natural urges for the sake of her? This type of moral quandary also appears in Bram Stoker's book and several early vampire film incarnations and gave those early protagonists a bit of extra depth.

A werewolf is a man when he's not a wolf. In traditional werewolf literature, the werewolf only become a wolf during the full moon. Usually, once again, the werewolf in film "as man" is a romantic person with a love interest, who then has the torment of trying to hide his true nature and explain his awkward monthly absences to the girl he cares about. A constant battle between primal instinct and romantic ideals, once again, not unlike Twilight.

When did Dracula not want to feed? He only exercised control because it is socially uncouth to jump out and yell "Bleagh!" and start sucking.

As for the Werewolf one, then it becomes a romance movie instead of horror because the focus has shifted to love instead of constant stalking.

Well, yes, yes it does. Most werewolf films aren't just 90 minutes of a wolf chowing down. That would be boring (and most newer werewolf films that are nothing but this ARE very boring as a result). The classic werewolf films are all romance tales gone wrong.

Dracula always wanted to feed, but he had too much style and poise to go around just knocking off randoms. He knew the classiest way to feed on subjects of his required standard was to seduce his prey and let them come to him. He had the mansion, the bling and so forth, he knew what girls of the day liked. But there was always a little bit inside of him that had to try hard not to actually fall in love with the victims... hence the female character who always gets to stay in the house that little bit longer than her peers...

Well alright, fair enough. I still don't think horror and romance are intrinsic to each other, but it's there enough.

But the slight romance undercurrent in Dracula is different from the Twilight romance. His romance was a deepening feature to make him appear more human and that he was trying to turn himself into a true monster. But the Twilight vampire that has already given up and accepted romance is now nothing more then a super strong jumping jack. Part of why the Dracula romance is part of the horror is that he's still hunting people despite his lingering humanity. But Twilight vampire isn't actively hunting characters. He could be replaced with Superman and it would still work. That's all romance with the only horror coming from outside characters attacking.

So if I were to post images from "Interview with a Vampire" into that gallery, would that have been considered horror. Because it obviously had horror elements. Anne Rice even won the Bram Stoker award for the series. But is also HEAVILY based around the romances. At one point you even have vampires who can and do walk in the sun.

It has horror elements, but is not a horror story. The way I figure it, the focus is on the romance enough that if you pull out the horror elements, it still stands on its own as a romance novel. It straddles the line better than Twilight, but I consider it in the same genre of Romance over some light horror. But again, all the horror comes from outside influences apart from the main characters. So it shouldn't be in a horror montage, but it has more horror credibility than Twilight.

 

[Wintermoot]

maybe the fans are a horror but the film not ITS ABOUT SPARLKY FUCKING VAMPIRES HOW THE FUCK IS THAT SCARY?!?!?

 

[blaze96]

Twilight vampires are not horrific in any way. Unless bi-polar disorder and indecisiveness is somehow scary. They also aren't charming, George Clooney for example, is known for his charm, and Twilight vampires exert none of those traits. Unless charm is a blank stare, near silence, and watching the girl you love as she sleeps while thinking you can't possibly be good enough for her. Which sounds to me more like stalker behavior than charming. Imagine if some random person did that shit to you. Wait a second...Twilight is a horror movie about a stalker and his on again off again obsessive yet abstinent relationship with his soulless girlfriend. I get it now. That shit is actually scary, kudos for hiding your real story so well and making it look like another shitty teen romance Mayer.