The problem is that our notions of them are outdated and archaic. Justice is really more about punishing people than changing them, and honor... well, the way it gets implemented in the Middle East should be enough of an example.-Zen- post=18.74956.854949 said:I understand vengeance, but what's wrong with honor and justice?sidhe3141 post=18.74956.854905 said:Emotion. It is because of emotion that we have vengeance, outdated ideals of "justice" and "honor", and most of the other bull**** that people embrace so strongly.