Poll: underage animated female characters...

[4RM3D]

Where did you learn about this?
Not that I don't believe you, I just find this stuff interesting.

Also I'm not going to start searching for articles about child porn less I be mistaken for a pedo.

When I was studying IT law a topic came up: child porn on the internet. Then one of the professors starting talking about the law in the US and the law here (the Netherlands) and some of the weird stuff that was going on.

I am not sure if you read the whole read, but I'll post my initial post here.

I have actually studied IT law (as a minor) during college. And child porn also came up, a lot. Real child porn is illegal (duh). If you own it you and the cops find it, your screwed (among other things). But if you watch a streaming video of child porn, its not illegal and thus the cops can't touch you. Because a streaming video you don't own; it's not stored on your computer, although you can argue it's cached somewhere locally. However if you paid to get access to streaming video, you can be arrested if the payment can be traced to the source.

So cartoon porn (simple put) is not illegal where I live. But if the porn is too realistically animated, it is illegal. (Where do you draw the line, I wonder). But if you can prove that you animated the porn yourself, its not illegal.

Oh the 'joys' of law...

 

[Raskolnikov34]

Eh, it doesn't exploit anyone per say, but it encourages pedophile behavior.

Pedophiles need psychological help, not outlets for their desires.

That's like saying GTA encourages you to commit murder.

It could, if you were already psychotic. I'm not saying it would turn a normal person into a pedophile, in the same way GTA doesn't turn a normal person into a psychopath.

 

[Raskolnikov34]

I mean, if they're fictional no one is being exploited, so what's the problem, so long as they don't look TOO young?

And what exactly is your problem if they are "too young"?
No cowardly fence sitting. No "so long as".
If you think age limits for fictional characters shouldn't matter, you include 17 year olds and 11 year olds and 1 year olds, period.
If you don't wanna include those, age limits do matter, period.

If you let someone with anger management issues lose control constantly in harmless ways (punching inanimate objects), it doesn't curb their desire, it just gets them in the habit of giving into it. Eventually, these habits could manifest less harmlessly.

Got anything to back that up too or are those just more assumptions that "seem logical"?
You know what else "seems logical" to people? That gayness is a contagious disease.

Explain to me why gayness being a logical disease would in any way be logical.

And there's a difference between proving something through logic, and proving something through evidence. I used a logical proof.

 

[Dragunai]

When the words - "Australian Government Bans Videogame" is observed by my brain it instantly responds with a long drawn out and frankly bored "Meeeehhhh,"

They dont trust anyone under the age of 40 to tie their own fucking shoelace or wipe their own ass without potentially flipping out and murdering people.

"Insert predictable former prison colony therefore ott on the laws joke here"

Moving on!

 

[JanatUrlich]

Of course it matters! It encourages the sexualisation of young girls, which is unacceptable in any circumstance. As if the overt sexualisation of female characters in general wasn't enough, we just have to move onto the underaged girls too, don't we?

 

[Alexlion]

Direct depiction of children yeah thats wrong, whether real or not getting your jollies from a child performing a sex act is still wrong.
People saying its a cultural thing is balls just because japan seems to accept it dosent mean its ok, you like animated porn fine but it shouldn't explicitly depict children.

 

[Raskolnikov34]

Explain to me why gayness being a logical disease would in any way be logical.

How can the point fly so far over your head?

And there's a difference between proving something through logic, and proving something through evidence. I used a logical proof.

Aka treated opinion as fact. Cause that always helps doesn't it.

Explain to me how my point flew so far over your head...my point was that declaring something to be true and giving no reasons is different from declaring something to be true and giving a LOGICAL proof of it...I never said it was the ideal argument method, hell I never said it was anything besides vague speculation on psychology I was making, a field in which I fully admit I have little to no knowledge in...Try not to project attitudes on people.

 

[kickyourass]

Time to dust of the copy and paste bottons.
As long as they are fictional characters I do not care what you draw, if you wanna draw pictures of children, well, I'm probably going to try and stay away from you, but as long as they aren't real children I'm not going to try and stop you.

 

[Pedro The Hutt]

Of course it matters! It encourages the sexualisation of young girls, which is unacceptable in any circumstance. As if the overt sexualisation of female characters in general wasn't enough, we just have to move onto the underaged girls too, don't we?

That said, if you take the outlet of drawn sexual acts of underaged girls away from people with a sexual attraction towards such (which isn't always a conscious decision, I might add), what will that leave them with? Oh right...

And on top of what itchcrotch above me said. According to their profile they might be 16 and 17, they sure as hell don't look or act like any 16 year old. =p And in the majority of the world they are above the age of consent anyhow.

 

[mcnally86]

Of course it matters! It encourages the sexualisation of young girls, which is unacceptable in any circumstance. As if the overt sexualisation of female characters in general wasn't enough, we just have to move onto the underaged girls too, don't we?

That said, if you take the outlet of drawn sexual acts of underaged girls away from people with a sexual attraction towards such (which isn't always a conscious decision, I might add), what will that leave them with? Oh right...

And on top of what itchcrotch above me said. According to their profile they might be 16 and 17, they sure as hell don't look or act like any 16 year old. =p And in the majority of the world they are above the age of consent anyhow.

Not looking and acting too young is a big issue here. Why couldn't the game say they were old enough it had to say they were to young? They wanted people to think its ok as long as they look and act? Many children are abused and do not come forward because the abusers said they looked and acted like they wanted it. I'm talking little girls in their underwear thought they were to blame when sico dad attacked them. No I think its not ok.

Also I hope this to be my last post on the escapist non-movie related. Have fun weirdos I'm outa this pedothredo.

 

[Baneat]

Between 7 and 8.

14

15

16

Spoiler: ZOMG, these two are still in their cots thinking about it!!!

Paedophilia has gone the same way as Drugs and Terrorism. In our "valiant attempts" to wage War on them, they've just scared the public even more.

Wait what? Who said the Disney snow White was 14? I'd have guessed she was in her 20s or 30s.

I think the point of the post was to show how arbitrary it could be

 

[RepeatAfterMe]

If for the purpose of art, then fine. In a perfect world, nothing is pornographic. Everyone understands the human body and is desensitized, however graphic it may be. This I describe is a world of art and peace.
But we don't live in that world, do we? Humans are still very much like the horny bunny, rolling in their own semen and only seeking thrill.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I suppose I could see why they'd want to ban it out of principle even though no real people are getting exploited or anything. However in truth the age of animated characters is often ambiguous at best, ambiguity dispelled by a character discretion on Wikipedia or some such.
Truth be told, there's probably only about 3 female body types in all the animation medium, well ok 4 if you want to count infant but that's usually not gender specific. Anyway the the common female body types are child, adult, and elderly. The child body type covering characters that are anywhere from the ages of 5-13 depending on the animator, the adult body type covering characters anywhere from ages 13-60 again depending on the animator, and of course the elderly body type covering characters usually ages 60+ again depending on the animator.
Point is, as long as the characters in said explicit material don't have the child body type, there really shouldn't be an issue.

 

[Pedro The Hutt]

Not looking and acting too young is a big issue here. Why couldn't the game say they were old enough it had to say they were to young? They wanted people to think its ok as long as they look and act? Many children are abused and do not come forward because the abusers said they looked and acted like they wanted it. I'm talking little girls in their underwear thought they were to blame when sico dad attacked them. No I think its not ok.

Also I hope this to be my last post on the escapist non-movie related. Have fun weirdos I'm outa this pedothredo.

Well to be fair, by the game's timeline they should've crossed into adulthood three games ago. =p And I know Team Ninja is a team full of guys with a surreal appreciation of the idealised female form, but I doubt they're instigating paedophilia (especially if you consider they're past the age of consent anyhow), no one is being abused in this game nor is it being encouraged. Not to mention here we're talking girls who have kicked adult men through walls.

To be frank, I think you're exaggerating, lacking perspective, and being more than a bit offensive through accusing everyone who is a gamer (and/or defending Dead or Alive, shallow a fighting game though it may be) of being a paedophile.

Edit: Yes, I do think that the Dead or Alive games are a shallow sexist experience that tries to cover up its lacking fighting mechanics with bouncing boobies, but I honestly don't think it promotes or approves of paedophilia.

 

[stutheninja]

not a big deal, children have been sexualized in art for hundreds of years, im not saying that makes it right, but other forms of art shouldnt be grandfathered into this while the digital medium is oppressed under such measures

 

[BlackWidower]

It's interesting, I've always thought child porn laws existed to stop any and all motivation to abuse children, or benefit from the abuse of children. But the way these things seem to be enforced, it seems they exist to stop people from wanting to abuse children, or making it less likely. Because as we all know, you view porn, you're more likely to commit rape.

It's complete Bullshit.

 

[Cheesepower5]

The whole legal age(read: "how old should be considered old enough to say 'yes'") and what constitutes pornography(exploitative material) are kind of muddy. Especially because the one that's really harder to define IS legally defined(18 in North America) and the one that should be fairly simple can be whatever Politician X damn well wants it to be.

 

[mcnally86]

Not looking and acting too young is a big issue here. Why couldn't the game say they were old enough it had to say they were to young? They wanted people to think its ok as long as they look and act? Many children are abused and do not come forward because the abusers said they looked and acted like they wanted it. I'm talking little girls in their underwear thought they were to blame when sico dad attacked them. No I think its not ok.

Also I hope this to be my last post on the escapist non-movie related. Have fun weirdos I'm outa this pedothredo.

Well to be fair, by the game's timeline they should've crossed into adulthood three games ago. =p And I know Team Ninja is a team full of guys with a surreal appreciation of the idealised female form, but I doubt they're instigating paedophilia (especially if you consider they're past the age of consent anyhow), no one is being abused in this game nor is it being encouraged. Not to mention here we're talking girls who have kicked adult men through walls.

To be frank, I think you're exaggerating, lacking perspective, and being more than a bit offensive through accusing everyone who is a gamer (and/or defending Dead or Alive, shallow a fighting game though it may be) of being a paedophile.

Edit: Yes, I do think that the Dead or Alive games are a shallow sexist experience that tries to cover up its lacking fighting mechanics with bouncing boobies, but I honestly don't think it promotes or approves of paedophilia.

Sorry no your right. I was reacting to some of the comments/how the voting turned out. And I realize the games been out some time. I was venting on you about the fact that "should age limits matter for animated characters in explicit material?" has "yes" as winning. That more then anything scares me off the escapist community. Right I'm done now. I planned not to not respond here but I have to say sorry you not defending any underage stuff. This is a cultural age thing here not someone making a game for uncle creepy.