Is it weird that I'm fine with this stuff? I'm probably the only person who would be fine with this stuff in my school.
Poll: "Uniforms" in public school
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Wish my school was that nice. Since my school was crap the years before I joined, they were given 10million to make it, how do I put it? A safe enviroment? [small]No, seriously it was that bad[/small]
So perfect uniforms came as part of the package. I was almost forced to shave my mustache to the point I was suspended untill I shaved it. Then a teacher grew one for charity and they lost their argument :{D.
OT: Sucks, but us Brits already have to put up with that crap so good luck on trying to beat it. At my school many have tried and many have been exspelled.
EDIT: Also Blazers are normal uniform regardless of gender in a dodgey shade of green.
So perfect uniforms came as part of the package. I was almost forced to shave my mustache to the point I was suspended untill I shaved it. Then a teacher grew one for charity and they lost their argument :{D.
OT: Sucks, but us Brits already have to put up with that crap so good luck on trying to beat it. At my school many have tried and many have been exspelled.
EDIT: Also Blazers are normal uniform regardless of gender in a dodgey shade of green.
As you've now realised it's much worse in Britain and we've tried. We really have to 'get rid' of uniforms and we've haven't achieved anything, so although it's wrong you've just got to suck it up and pray it Americar doesn't follow the British lead.bruein said:
Public school means private school over here. State school is the only term for state schools.bruein said:
It's still a non-issue that you'll grow indifferent to as you age. I've been in uniforms all my life, with stricter dress codes than you (Actual military ones- that's what the cadets do to a school), and I don't mind. Hell, it's easier than facing the fashion rat race every day.
yea, same story really except we've always had to pay something towards it like 50p or £1 but I guess I'm lucky 'cos not only could we wear jeans but for an extra pound we could wear trainers or a wacky tie! My school is SO fun... =_= well atleast this is my last year before the wonders of college!bruein said:
Are you saying that requiring your shirt to bear the school logo and be tucked in is the safety equivalent of properly responding to traffic lights?El Poncho said:
Do I seriously need to explain how messed up that argument is?
Students can only rise to the level expected of them. If a students parents and teachers all honestly believe a student has the capacity to do something it gives the student "permission" to aspire to reach those expectations. If everyone expects that same student to join a gang, sell drugs, & end up in jail, that's where they're likely to go.Double A said:
I say likely because there are always exeptions.
If you genuinely expect that state school kids will wear their uniforms and give reasonable punishments for not wearing the uniform, most will wear the uniform.
I don't see a problem with school uniforms, they serve to keep everyone at the same level in a fashion sense to avoid bullying of poor kids for their clothes. It also serves a safety purpose for school excursions, try keeping tabs on 20 teens that don't like you.
It also gets students use to wearing stupid uniforms, which most of them will do at one point in their life after secondary/high school.
It can, and is intended, to give school pride, but I never experienced or witnessed school pride when I was in school.
Also, public school doesn't mean what most people seem to think it means. A public school is a school run by a member/members of the public as opposed to the government. That is, a public school is what we generally term a private school.
(I'd insert a "the mire you know" banner but I'm on an iPhone and they're bastards to work with.)
And for those who are interested the school code I had to deal with went like so: uniform dress code [http://mossmanshs.eq.edu.au/wcmss/images/stories/Policies/DressCode/student%20dress%20code.pdf]
So, since the past 44 years, let's say about 300 (and I'm being very, very generous here)) have died from school shootings.El Poncho said:
Want to know how many people die from lightning? 90 people each year, or 3239 deaths over the last 36 years.
Source: http://www.unitedjustice.com/death-statistics.html
Statistically speaking, school shootings are hardly threatening, and it's the way our society, especially the media, has blown this whole issue out of proportion and saturated our televisions with coverage of these events that has killed more people. Check out this article:
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-did-the-media-help-to-pull-the-trigger-2020927.html
Notice how within the last years, as media coverage of school shootings increased, so did the school shootings? Our whole society lives in so much fear, and ultimately it's not those threats, but the fear itself and the drastic measures that we go through to make ourselves feel safe, that are the problem. Within a year, fast food will kill more people then terrorism and school shootings will in 10 years combined.
Don't get me wrong, those school shooting events were indeed tragic, but don't you think our attention to the various things that threaten us is a bit... disproportional?
And there really isn't any proof out there that school uniforms contribute to security, or order, or success. Perhaps this is an equally unsubstantiated statement, although I think psychology agrees with me on this one, what will make us more safe, more peaceful, and more successful is happiness, acceptance, tolerance, compassion, and freedom. People don't just shoot up schools for no reason, there are a variety of factors that contribute to it, sociology being a strong one. Instead of looking outward from our limited shell, viewing those people that threaten us as outsiders, we should look inward and see where they came from and who created them, which was us.
No, kids will always be petty and harass others based on clothing and appearance. If it wasn't this, it would be something else.
Disgusting.
Uniforms are horrible, overbearing way to beat into student's heads that they are nothing more than a cog in the machine.
Uniforms are horrible, overbearing way to beat into student's heads that they are nothing more than a cog in the machine.
I would say my school is/was stricter than that; if you read the student rulebook it is. But I'm a senior and they don't enforce anything.
Wear our uniform shirts and black or khaki pants, and a belt.
Used to have our hair a certain length (no over the eyebrows, touching your collar, over hte ears, or sideburns below the ears. There is also a limit on how high it can be, we had people come in with afros and stuff.), no facial hair(i break rule every day), no jackets/hoodies etc. Dress shoes, (I have dress boots) keep things tucked in. No jewelry, none of those stupid wristband things. blah blah blah.
One good thing is that we seniors are the only ones that get to wear the new style uniforms. The normal styles are so freaking uncomfortable and itchy, now we can laugh at the other grades as they sweat to death because the Air conditioning is broke.
Wear our uniform shirts and black or khaki pants, and a belt.
Used to have our hair a certain length (no over the eyebrows, touching your collar, over hte ears, or sideburns below the ears. There is also a limit on how high it can be, we had people come in with afros and stuff.), no facial hair(i break rule every day), no jackets/hoodies etc. Dress shoes, (I have dress boots) keep things tucked in. No jewelry, none of those stupid wristband things. blah blah blah.
One good thing is that we seniors are the only ones that get to wear the new style uniforms. The normal styles are so freaking uncomfortable and itchy, now we can laugh at the other grades as they sweat to death because the Air conditioning is broke.
You make a good argument (not enough to convince me that I'd ever wear a uniform, though. At least not a "real" one and not just a nice shirt), except about the "bad clothing gets you bullied." Do you honestly think that a kid's getting bullied because they ware weird clothes? It's because the bully doesn't like them. If the major source of ridicule was clothes, a bully would just make fun of something else, like their face.StBishop said:
The shirt doesn't need the logo(nor does it need to be tucked in), the school tie just needs the school colours.danpascooch said:
It is a form of safety, they may not be on the same level but they can both protect in their own way.
I've seen worse,bruein said:
We have a uniform:
White shirt, buttoned to the top.
School tie.
Jumper is optional (it's a specific one, that looks smart)
Blazer with the school emblem.
Grey/black trousers.
Smart shoes, no trainers, boots etc.
Uniforms were in 99% of the schools in the U.S. until after WWII. They were tossed out fairly quickly in the next years. In America a public school is one most people go to and it is run by the state. A state school is one that is in a Juvenile jail, and a private school is one that is run by an independent group, most are religious based.
Also, uniforms do not really end discrimination against the poor. They buy the used uniforms. You can tell the difference. They also do not stifle uniqueness. You just have to use your mind to make yourself different. That is a lot more work than a $2.99 bottle of hair dye or other simple exterior change. The teachers in my school had a rather simple dress code, but very strict in its execution. But sadly Standardized testing has taken over teaching people here. Those are the things that limit what we learn.
Also, uniforms do not really end discrimination against the poor. They buy the used uniforms. You can tell the difference. They also do not stifle uniqueness. You just have to use your mind to make yourself different. That is a lot more work than a $2.99 bottle of hair dye or other simple exterior change. The teachers in my school had a rather simple dress code, but very strict in its execution. But sadly Standardized testing has taken over teaching people here. Those are the things that limit what we learn.
admittedly I only read the first 4 posts before getting a bit bored but my impression of your school is that it is either:
1. Run by jackboots.
2. employs masochistic fuck ups with OCD.
3. under the impression that regular trephination is good for the staff.
4. attempting to groom you all into some form of soulless killing machines.
or 5. doing an experiment on the easiest way to rip a soul from a body
1. Run by jackboots.
2. employs masochistic fuck ups with OCD.
3. under the impression that regular trephination is good for the staff.
4. attempting to groom you all into some form of soulless killing machines.
or 5. doing an experiment on the easiest way to rip a soul from a body
oh and just to clarify I wasn't really talking about the dress code, i'm British, all our schools have that, I was more on about how strictly it seems to be upheld I have no idea what ISS is but being sent there for handing wonky papers back to the teacher seems a bit shit.