Poll: unmasking Quarians/Tali

[Slangeveld]

[img height=300 ]http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/098/3/9/Tali_by_FruitLoop360.jpg[/img]
While this is a bit too uncanny, I still love the picture.

 

[GiantRaven]

And on the racist topic.. What? Towards Geth? Some people would say you can't be racist towards a machine, some people say they are sentient so you can. Either way, irrelevant. Even though they created them, the Quarians hate the Geth because they drove them off their homeworld. At fault or not I am sure just about anyone could hate an entire civilization based on that. So it's not racism, just hate.

The Geth drove the Quarians away because the Quarians tried to eradicate them. There isn't any suggestion that the Geth were hostile at all when they first achieved sentience (unless I missed it somewhere). Hell, aren't the Geth supposedly willing to make amends and have kept the planet safe for the Quarians return?

 

[BoogieManFL]

I dont mind tali but I hate her for the fact every damn ME lover loves her and that makes me angry so no keep the damn thing on so they get their nickers in a tiwsit.

You are exactly my point. Who cares what other people think. That just seems close minded and negative for the sake of being so, not for any real reason or purpose.

 

[BoogieManFL]

And on the racist topic.. What? Towards Geth? Some people would say you can't be racist towards a machine, some people say they are sentient so you can. Either way, irrelevant. Even though they created them, the Quarians hate the Geth because they drove them off their homeworld. At fault or not I am sure just about anyone could hate an entire civilization based on that. So it's not racism, just hate.

The Geth drove the Quarians away because the Quarians tried to eradicate them. There isn't any suggestion that the Geth were hostile at all when they first achieved sentience (unless I missed it somewhere). Hell, aren't the Geth supposedly willing to make amends and have kept the planet safe for the Quarians return?

All of your points are made almost completely invalid by the fact that the Geth are emotionless machines.

By your logic, the machine uprising in the Terminator movies was ok because humanity was planning on using Skynet and machines as a yet another soulless method to wage war.

Are you even serious about the whole "Tali is being a racist" in the first place? This whole thing smells like an attention grab by being "different" in your views on the Geth.

It reminds me of how some people keep arguing that the Helghast in the Killzone games are actually the good guys even though they are ruthless fascists who murder their way through the galaxy to obtain what they want because the ISA stole some space colony from them generations earlier.

It has nothing to do with the Geth feeling emotions or not. I was simply talking about Quarians hate for them not being based on racist principles, but rather their unpleasant history with each other. And, no, your Skynet analogy isn't basic on my logic whatsoever. since I was not validating it one way or the other, merely offering my view on the matter.

 

[TwitchierGuitar]

I say do it, I think the fan base is curious enough. Also I lol'd at this :

Uh-Oh.... Tali's time of the month... (JOKING)
I say we do it. Not only are they the only race we've never fully seen, It'd be nice to see that the Quarians can readapt and finally live out of their suits. Even if something is virtual, you can stil feel pretty bad for it.

 

[John the Gamer]

Only if they look like some kind of tentacle- monster, lik Cthulu or something. Humans are boring. And ugly. Yeah I'm talking to you, random person.

 

[Mrsoupcup]

lol the video you posted was made by a friend of mine. XD

It's a small world after all? XD

 

[TwitchierGuitar]

And on the racist topic.. What? Towards Geth? Some people would say you can't be racist towards a machine, some people say they are sentient so you can. Either way, irrelevant. Even though they created them, the Quarians hate the Geth because they drove them off their homeworld. At fault or not I am sure just about anyone could hate an entire civilization based on that. So it's not racism, just hate.

The Geth drove the Quarians away because the Quarians tried to eradicate them. There isn't any suggestion that the Geth were hostile at all when they first achieved sentience (unless I missed it somewhere). Hell, aren't the Geth supposedly willing to make amends and have kept the planet safe for the Quarians return?

All of your points are made almost completely invalid by the fact that the Geth are emotionless machines.

By your logic, the machine uprising in the Terminator movies was ok because humanity was planning on using Skynet and machines as a yet another soulless method to wage war.

Are you even serious about the whole "Tali is being a racist" in the first place? This whole thing smells like an attention grab by being "different" in your views on the Geth.

It reminds me of how some people keep arguing that the Helghast in the Killzone games are actually the good guys even though they are ruthless fascists who murder their way through the galaxy to obtain what they want because the ISA stole some space colony from them generations earlier.

It has nothing to do with the Geth feeling emotions or not. I was simply talking about Quarians hate for them not being based on racist principles, but rather their unpleasant history with each other. And, no, your Skynet analogy isn't basic on my logic whatsoever. since I was not validating it one way or the other, merely offering my view on the matter.

Not trying to start any fires, but I know exactly what happened. I was playing my copy of the first mass effect, I looked through the codex one time, and the narrator voice told me that when the geth became sentient, they realized that they were enslaved computers. And if anyone has ever paid attention in history class, Slavery leads to a slave revolt. The geth found ways to sneek weapons shipments in, armed themselves, and started busting energy caps in every organic in sight, mainly Quarians. And since the geth can wirelessly hack into computers, they took control of almost everything. More and more weapons came into the geth's possession, allowing them to better arm themselves and take over the planet. The quarians gathered what ever they could and evacuated. Now they're stuck in those enviro-suits, looking for a new planet.

 

[HellspawnCandy]

I'm betting she looks like predator(what I always thought never really knew people would get all excited about Quarians)

 

[Zorg Machine]

meh, didn't care much for Thalia as I am completely on the Geth side after a few chats with Legion.

It's not that she's a bad character but I like the other tech race more and I choose Jack as a romance option because I heard you could have two romantic scenes with her....what?

Anyways, I don't really care but my opinion is that the mask should stay on so we can speculate for ourselves.

On a separate note, the most interesting/good characters (IMO) is Grunt, Legion, Mordin, Jack, Garrus and (I guess) Thalia.

 

[andy25100]

They should remove the mask but do it sensibly and with good taste not in some sexscapade before the final battle e.g. setting foot on the quarian homeworld with minutes left and only do it for tali so you can still have the mystery of what the rest of her species faces are like.

no matter what bioware do, it will make someone angry so you might as well let them show the face and ignore the haters because i personally don't care what she looks like it's not my world to mess with, it's how i learnt to stop worrying and love the game.

 

[Internet Kraken]

The Quarians did not know about how the geth feel. Hell it took ME2 to understand the TRUE geth. Even then, a computer virus would wipe the geth out. Computer herpes, the best weapon since the spear.

What's your point? Even if it's understandable as to why Tali is racist, it still doesn't make it any better. Besides, when confronted with proof of the Geth's true nature, she still is in favor of killing them all she can get her precious homeworld back.

And I don't get why people bother pointing out that the Geth can be killed by computer viruses. It's the equivalent of humans being killed by organic viruses.

All of your points are made almost completely invalid by the fact that the Geth are emotionless machines.

Except they're not. I don't get how so many people can play Mass Effect 2 and still think the Geth are emotionless. The Geth are developing primitive emotions. An example of this is Legion taking Shepard's N7 armor. From a logical standpoint, Legion had no reason to use the N7 armor over a more durable material. He took it because it has sentimental value to him due the respect the Geth have for Shepard. Now the Geth don't understand these emotions themselves, but it doesn't change the fact that they are still there.

By your logic, the machine uprising in the Terminator movies was ok because humanity was planning on using Skynet and machines as a yet another soulless method to wage war.

Completely different scenario, so I don't see what the relevance is.

Are you even serious about the whole "Tali is being a racist" in the first place? This whole thing smells like an attention grab by being "different" in your views on the Geth.

How does that make any sense? In Mass Effect 2, you're given plenty of options to support the Geth. Siding with the Geth is hardly abnormal, as you seem to suggest. Now if this was Mass Effect 1 I'd agree with you, since there's little to suggest the Geth are anything more than a hivemind bent on wiping out all organic life. But Mass Effect 2 completley changes all of this.

Not trying to start any fires, but I know exactly what happened. I was playing my copy of the first mass effect, I looked through the codex one time, and the narrator voice told me that when the geth became sentient, they realized that they were enslaved computers. And if anyone has ever paid attention in history class, Slavery leads to a slave revolt. The geth found ways to sneek weapons shipments in, armed themselves, and started busting energy caps in every organic in sight, mainly Quarians. And since the geth can wirelessly hack into computers, they took control of almost everything. More and more weapons came into the geth's possession, allowing them to better arm themselves and take over the planet. The quarians gathered what ever they could and evacuated. Now they're stuck in those enviro-suits, looking for a new planet.

It's important to note that the Quarians started the conflict by attempting to shut down the Geth before they became a problem. They just didn't realize how far the Geth had developed, so when they tried to deactivate them they resisted.

I know this is page 3 and all, but they should have unmasked her in ME2 when you were on the mother ship. Honestly, a race of nomadic aliens that only live on ships, you'd think one of the first things they'd fix is their life support so you could take off those suits. Still annoys me.

I've actually heard that earlier concepts for that scene was more like your idea. When on the ship, all the Quarians are out of their envirosuits, and since your wearing full gear to prevent infection spread its basically the opposite of the norm. They changed this at some point down the line though, probably because they can't decide on what Quarians should look like.

 

[KEM10]

I know this is page 3 and all, but they should have unmasked her in ME2 when you were on the mother ship. Honestly, a race of nomadic aliens that only live on ships, you'd think one of the first things they'd fix is their life support so you could take off those suits. Still annoys me.

 

[Larnx]

No, I have this feeling they'll be enormously ugly, or at least everyone's ugly EXCEPT for that one Quarian you happen to drag across the Traverse. Bad fan influences I'd say.

 

[TheHecatomb]

Keep Tali masked. Global expectation is so immensely high her face can only disappoint.

 

[GiantRaven]

All of your points are made almost completely invalid by the fact that the Geth are emotionless machines.

By your logic, the machine uprising in the Terminator movies was ok because humanity was planning on using Skynet and machines as a yet another soulless method to wage war.

Are you even serious about the whole "Tali is being a racist" in the first place? This whole thing smells like an attention grab by being "different" in your views on the Geth.

Sorry I should clarify that I was only adding more background information to your comment about the Geth driving the Quarians away. I have no strong opinions either way on the 'racism' debate.