Poll: Victoria police given permission to fine swearing

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Rule Britannia

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Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never harm me. (Well maybe in the right context)
erm...yeah....
Dumb idea granted people shouldn't be going down the street yelling swears but so what if you let a few slip out.

If soebody is swaering for no reason or excessively then they should be asked to stop or something... I dunno....
 

megamabu

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Kevonovitch said:
when i first saw victoria i was like "uh...what's goin on?" XD (victoria BC, Canada, is like a 3h trip from where i am :p) but yeah, thats a really dumb idea :|
I actually live in Victoria and had the same reaction to the title and was relieved that it was about Australia but I think this is a horrible idea nonetheless.
 

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TU4AR said:
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It is rude. End of story.
And you think a Manners Police is the solution? A fine for rudeness, an entirely subjective thing depending on the person you are speaking with. Or in this case, overhears you.

Rigidly enforced manners and censorship are some of the most pivotal steps towards fascism. The common good is a phrase too often abused by governments. It also shows a waste of resources as it adds more to what a cop has to keep an eye out for.

Imagine the beat cop's position. On the look out for murderers, rapists, thieves, drunk drivers, drug pushers, pedophiles, lost children, reckless children and... people who have a potty mouth.

The idea of "WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!?" has been one of the biggest ethical shams I've ever seen. It's clever too. Either you agree and watch your rights to expression and thought be eroded or... You hate kids.
 

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It's a bit of a ridiculous law, but I can see where it's coming from and I don't disagree with it. So long as the authorities use common sense and good judgment, and they don't abuse it, then I believe it should be kept. This isn't all that dissimilar to the "disturbing the peace" law found in the United States.
 

rapidoud

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Good idea as long as no one abuses it. Granted it is excessive swearing.

Means they don't have to haul a guy who's looking like a douche in public down to the station where they can do other stuff first and watch the fines rack up on the idiot for not paying fines.

On a side note, ban people who have their headphones too loud on trains. I mean seriously, they have it at/above talking volume at my distance of 4m+ that I can hear and I have to talk above them. WTF is the point of headphones if I can hear it, especially that clearly? You want to go deaf or what? Do I really have to hear how crap your music is for the next hour where you wouldn't even hear a gun go off whilst I'm trying to study?
 

Skeneo

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We really need to get rid of the Baillieu government in the next election. We thought the previous one was bad but this is much worse.
 

DeathWyrmNexus

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TU4AR said:
thingymuwatsit said:
Laws exist to protect people from others or themselves, there is no reason for laws to be set in place because of opinion.
I'm of the opinion that I shouldn't hire anyone at my work if they're gay, yet there's laws against me doing that. What is your retort?
I'll retort with an equal amount of facetious.

[facetious]"I am not surprised considering that you are probably bred from the ignorant stock of convicts first seeded on that hostile monster infested spit of a continent. Thus I don't think your and yours could handle yourself without proper God fearing laws in place to keep you from raping each other and spouting profanity."[/facetious]

Obviously the above was not said in any kind of seriousness but the fact remains that all the news I hear from Australia basically says that the government doesn't think the peasant rabble can handle functioning in society without a strict use of riding crop across the wrists for every infraction, even things that are non issues, like swearing.

So far, my only available and informed impression of Australia is that you can't handle speaking in public, can't tell the difference between small breasted women and children (IE check ages of the people in credits if you're really worried,) and apparently think demons live in video game boxes. There is a distinct amount of Mother May I and The Devil Made Me Do It mentality I see in the politicians of your continent that truly make me worry at times what it is you and yours actually vote on for political credentials. Or perhaps I'm just viewing a group of people who honestly can't think for themselves and need a guiding hand.
 

Joccaren

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Well, it would appear you either lack basic logic, or are really ignorant.

First, you say that '*shock* some people are over thirty five (Believe it or not, these are the people I relate to most, most people at my age I consider immature, or did you not read the part where I stated I am considered conservative by most), which can be interpreted as being in complete contradiction to your second argument: That you have no belief that there is something wrong with young people swearing (That is what that whole section implies. If you go against my statement of IF [Key word there, read it, I am not making up your argument, I am creating a response to one that some in society, possibly including you, might have. It is a debating technique to rebut possible opposition arguments before they surface believe it or not] you find young people swearing offensive..., you must therefore not agree with the key points of the statement: 'young people swearing offensive'. Either that or you needed something to try to insult the argument I made with, so you used that)

Yes the words have lost meaning to me, and also a number of others. Not just school kids, but the majority of people under 35 that I know. Believe it or not, these people do exist as well, and will be the ones running the country when many of the over 35s retire. I have already stated that I am generally more comfortable in the presence of adults, and as such, I find that I know them more. I do not count every single person that I know the name of as someone I 'know', as I do not know them. I know there name, I may know of them, but I do not know them. Those that I do know tend to be more conservative in nature, and we tend to ere on the side of caution. I also never stated the world revolves around me, it seems that you think the world revolves around those like you. It is merely a point of view that I and many others have, just as yours is a view that you and many others have. Does that mean we both think the world revolves around us individually? No. It does not.

I feel embarrassment and annoyance on the instant of stubbing my toe, as well as a slight bit of anger at myself for not seeing this coming and avoiding it, or for doing something so stupid it became impossible to avoid it, a reasonable reaction, I believe. That is the instant I stub my toe that I have the ability to direct these emotions. I could swear that instant, if someone, or something, is close enough, I could lash out at it (I would rather not hurt myself by punching something, however. My survival instincts tell me not too), or I can let them build inside me. A few times is not enough to snap, but we are constantly taught to let our emotions out as, even in my own life (my mother builds up her negative emotions and then releases them about three months later in one great torrent. It is a flaw that I share with her), too much stress has been proven to give a person a shorter than usually temper, allowing them to snap easily (http://www.helpguide.org/mental/stress_signs.htm). A few times a month will not do this, but if I maintain the stress of my emotions every time I injure myself, or whenever I would usually curse, it would quickly grow to a breaking point. I get to this stage about three or four times a year, as I generally choose option 3 as I am in the company of others. When in my 'snapped' state, I tend to feel a greater want to inflict harm to myself and others. However, I am a highly logical and thus realise that these would be stupid things to do, and override these tendencies, and instead take it out on an object of my room. Should I have to go through this stress so that people do not have to hear me say 'Shit' occasionally?

You have stated you swear, in the right company, and that is the same as me. In company of those who swear, I will swear. In company of adults, I will not because they do not like people swearing. You come across to me as incredibly biased towards anyone in school, regardless of upbringing, unless they share your views. This is very immature, and although I can see what many of my generation have done to deserve this, I do not see why this stereotype should be assumed onto all of us. Believe it or not, our policies on swearing do not seem that different, our views however, are. Am I, from the fact that I disagree with you, no longer entitled to my opinion?

Edit: Wow, the number of basic grammar mistakes I make at midnight is incredible...
 

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FUCK THE LAW!

OT: But honestly, this is just another stupid (I hope that doesn't class as swearing) way of getting more money from people. I mean, what is actually bad about swearing? Nothing. Everyone does it.

So what if, you are walking along, and you trip over something, or catch yourself on something, and get hurt. I know that the first thing I do when I get hurt is automatically swear. So now I will get fined for that!?
 

Korolev

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I don't think they should fine people for swearing, so long as they aren't shouting at each other, or trying to purposefully annoy people. As long as they aren't creating a public disturbance, they shouldn't be fined.

I don't swear in public, but I am aware that many people do. I don't like it, but that's the way society has gone, and you can't really fight it with a law like this. I do agree that the sight of teenagers swearing every sentence when around 5 year old children (as I have seen far too often) is a bit much. But you can't really legislate that problem away.

Then again - how hard it can it be to be polite in public? Some teenagers just act like feral animals.
 

That's Funny

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What kind of bullshit is this, what if you have tourettes? Wouldn't that be going down the discrimination route?
 

Charli

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Australia? Hey, we need to talk about these silly old men who run your country... can you help them kick the bucket a bit earlier? Kay thanks.
 

Dexiro

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$240‽‽‽‽ That's a fair bit excessive, and by that I mean it's complete bullshit.

Swearing isn't that bad anyway, it's just that fussy parents make a big deal of it and suddenly they become these "forbidden" words that we all love to use. Oh damn you said a swear word! NOW THE WORLD IS COLLAPSING AROUND US, oh wait no it's just a fucking word.
 

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InfiniteSingularity said:
New laws are giving Victorian police in Australia to give people $240 on the spot for swearing. What do you think of this?

"Swearing is bad" is an opinion. And I know this is true because I disagree with it; hence, it is an opinion and not fact. You cannot make and enforce a law which is based on an OPINION - that is bias. That is unbalanced, and that is unjust.
They're going to GIVE me $240 for swearing? Well then I'll just have to go stand outside a police station and curse like a sailor instead of finishing my degree...

On a more serious note, while it is a silly law and probably a waste of everyone's time, the mere fact that you disagree with something doesn't make the disagreeable notion an opinion. There are, after all, people who are absolutely convinced that the earth is flat and relativity is a sham. Besides, lots of laws are based on some form of collective opinion.
 

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shameduser said:
That's why I don't like Australia.
I dislike a lot of aspects of Australia too. One day I'd like to be able to move but America is too much of a homophobic shithole to allow my (American) partner and I to live there together legally. As much as Australia frustrates me, I still feel like I'm treated much more like an adult human being here than America, even with the nanny state governments.

Adzma said:
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How about showing a little pride in your nation. What has happened here that was so terrible that you want to leave?
I'll start showing pride in this country when the people stop voting conservative idiots into power, the country abolishes censorship, legalizes same sex marriage, reforms Medicare, gives the power back to the people, keeps religion and politics seperate; the list goes on.

It has a long way to go.
Thank you, took the words right out of my mouth.

TU4AR said:
Because we're totally behind in things like the economy, civil rights, and secularism right?
The economy is good, but we're very much behind most of the rest of the developed world on civil rights and religion has a hugely inordinate influence on politics compared to how religious our society actually is.

Belated said:
Jeez, someone smearin' America on this? If anything, this is a time for Americans to be proud of their nationality! If any politician tried to fine swearing in the US of A, he'd be forced out of office within a week and probably assaulted by every passerby he passed by. We, for the most part, understand that Freedom of Speech is the most important right, and it means ALL speech, not just speech that most people agree with. Unlike a certain island country with an even more corrupt government than our own, and lots of kangaroos. Seriously Australia, I can sympathize. You guys have video game censorship, games that aren't even allowed into your country, and now they wanna fine swears? I'd be damn pissed if anybody tried any of that shit in The States.

Free Speech is a sacred thing. If there was ever a cause worth dying over, that is it.
How does a country get free speech if it doesn't have that protection already? We're all completely at the whim of the politicians, most of which would never allow a referendum to amend our constitution to include freedom of speech because they don't want to lose any power. What are we supposed to do?
 

Custard_Angel

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Swearing in front of a year 3 excursion group? Fine them, by all means.

Swearing in a group of friends having a drink at a bar? Walk on by.
 

CardinalPiggles

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i think its bull crap,

fucking shitty assholes think they can fucking punish people for fucking swearing, those **** fucking pricks

DoctorPhil said:
America. Land of the free. And land of taking your freedom away.
they are talking about doing this in australia dumbass.