Poll: Vigilantes and the killing of mobsters
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Depends on how you do it.
Depends on the gravity of their crimes, and whether they will be caught and held accountable. Not every person will even get convicted with their crimes, and quite a few can dodge the justice system well enough to never get punished. Vigilantes are necessary. maybe not liked by all, but I would rather a man who goes around kidnapping raping and murdering children who the court seems incapable of putting in jail killed by someone who can do it with a clear conscience than be allowed to continue doing it simply because he is good at defending himself in court and covering evidence. suffice to say there are obvious criminals who get away with things every day, vigilantes are not there to give them what they deserve (aka death), they are there to prevent them from causing further harm. The vigilante is not there to "kill" them, but to protect others by ending the threat.
Depends on the gravity of their crimes, and whether they will be caught and held accountable. Not every person will even get convicted with their crimes, and quite a few can dodge the justice system well enough to never get punished. Vigilantes are necessary. maybe not liked by all, but I would rather a man who goes around kidnapping raping and murdering children who the court seems incapable of putting in jail killed by someone who can do it with a clear conscience than be allowed to continue doing it simply because he is good at defending himself in court and covering evidence. suffice to say there are obvious criminals who get away with things every day, vigilantes are not there to give them what they deserve (aka death), they are there to prevent them from causing further harm. The vigilante is not there to "kill" them, but to protect others by ending the threat.
First of all, the Boondock Saints movies are probably the worst examples of vigilante movies around. In fact, the first one is my number one most hated movie. There are a lot of better vigilante movies than those. Watch Deathwish to see what I mean. It's not perfect but it is light-years ahead of those other inane religious crusader power fantasies.
Secondly, I don't agree with vigilantism but I can certainly understand why it would happen. Sometimes the law doesn't work so somebody would feel the need to do something about it. I can't really fault somebody for making a decision like that. Frankly, I don't know how I would react if the law failed me in a situation like the brutal murder of a family member.
Secondly, I don't agree with vigilantism but I can certainly understand why it would happen. Sometimes the law doesn't work so somebody would feel the need to do something about it. I can't really fault somebody for making a decision like that. Frankly, I don't know how I would react if the law failed me in a situation like the brutal murder of a family member.
Basically, what we're asking is 'is Dexter ok'.
To be honest, I'd rather the killers were killing killers, rather than random members of the public.
To be honest, I'd rather the killers were killing killers, rather than random members of the public.
Pretty much what I was gonna say, if somebody has the disposition to kill, then let them 'do their thing' to the people we don't want [I know that sounds facsist...but yea I'm that kinda guy]guntotingtomcat said:
If somebody murdered my family, and then a vigilante killed the bastard that did it, I wouldn't pout and go all pretentious like "oh you're no better than him you beast! All human lives are equal" <---Fuck that. I'd shake his hand.
No, and I never claimed as such. To expect any sort of productive punitive action from government in many places, however, is applying a first world perspective to the situation at hand. I find it hard to impute anyone for violence in such a situation, from my relatively sheltered position in an orderly country. So, because of my moral compunctions I reserve judgment. As for your characterization of Americans I'd refrain from making generalizations a cornerstone of your arguments. We do have an anti-gun lobby in this country you know.BobDobolina said:
I don't know how many Mexicans you talk to up there in Canada but you are quite misinformed. You are making some fantastic assumptions and presenting them as facts. (And as a Mexican American who regularly converses with immigrants I know to be patently false.) While the average person simply wishes that the violence were over there are many people in both countries who imagine that arming themselves is their only option. That is not an American phenomena, it is a product of fear. Before you pounce on me, imagining that my status as an American means that I'm just nuts about guns, I'm not saying that it's a productive sentiment, but it does exist.
On that we agree. Perhaps I'm simply a more emotional person than you are though, but upon hearing the frustration in the voices of people who have lived under crime lords I find it hard to remain the imprimatur of morality.
I'd rather the killers were killing no one at all.guntotingtomcat said:
OT: Since I am against the death penalty my answer is nooooooooooooooooooo!
But even if that above statement wasn't true, the answer still would be noooooooooooooo! since 90% of the "common men" are hysterical morons (myself included), who are utterly clueless on the fields of criminology, juristics and quite often enough firearm handling. Alone that last point would cause a hell of a mess.
And, we the public, are just too easily lured into outrage and taking accusations for facts. Just read about any rape-trial ever and you'll surely find voices demanding to "off that fucker" regardless of whether or not the accused was found innocent or the person making the accusations admitted to have lied.