I actually like both of those villain archetypes. The kinda villain I hate? Well, I'd say poorly written ones.
Poll: Villains you can hate
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I suppose in my sick and twisted mind I enjoy both. I like looking at the villains and seeing what makes them tick, even if there really is nothing in there. xD
I suppose the villains I hate are your obvious rapists or such. But I suppose in that case I'm supposed to hate them.
What I hate more is the main characters that you're supposed to like, but have qualities that piss me off. We're supposed to be on their side, but they do actions that I don't agree with. It's very upsetting trying to enjoy a piece of literature or show when my main protagonist is the one I hate most.
I suppose the villains I hate are your obvious rapists or such. But I suppose in that case I'm supposed to hate them.
What I hate more is the main characters that you're supposed to like, but have qualities that piss me off. We're supposed to be on their side, but they do actions that I don't agree with. It's very upsetting trying to enjoy a piece of literature or show when my main protagonist is the one I hate most.
I like most villains, they're usually just fun to watch. The Joker has got to be one of the best examples of "fun" villians.
I can't stand villains who are just stupid or are dicking around not knowing what they really want to do or doing something in a retarded way.
Suzaku from Code Geass is my best example, I don't care if he was meant to be a "dual protagonist" as soon as it hits R2 or maybe slightly sooner he's a full blown antagonist in my eyes.
His "plans" are always incomplete shambles, he is constantly both commiting to this broken logic that he's "helping" people and at the same time stumbling around not knowing wtf he should be doing.
Hell, Lulu might have been slightly crazy at points (he gets better) but he always had purpose, a plan, a way out and the drive to win at any cost.
Suzaku is both trying to suicide by way of battle and trying to save the world in his own very flawed way...
Suppose Suzaku is a rare example of an interesting villain that I hate. Usually I love anything that is properly interesting
I can't stand villains who are just stupid or are dicking around not knowing what they really want to do or doing something in a retarded way.
Suzaku from Code Geass is my best example, I don't care if he was meant to be a "dual protagonist" as soon as it hits R2 or maybe slightly sooner he's a full blown antagonist in my eyes.
His "plans" are always incomplete shambles, he is constantly both commiting to this broken logic that he's "helping" people and at the same time stumbling around not knowing wtf he should be doing.
Hell, Lulu might have been slightly crazy at points (he gets better) but he always had purpose, a plan, a way out and the drive to win at any cost.
Suzaku is both trying to suicide by way of battle and trying to save the world in his own very flawed way...
Suppose Suzaku is a rare example of an interesting villain that I hate. Usually I love anything that is properly interesting
Quinn Dexter from the Night's Dawn trilogy is the second type of villain. He knows he's bad. He's a satan worshipper, murderer, rapist, possesses people with the souls of the dead etc. So type 2.
Whereas the guys who try to stop him, (I mean YOU, western europe supervisor) are totally ineffectual. Rather than quarantining off the city he arrives on earth in, they let him run riot, surrender millions, if not billions, of innocent people to possession, and give him access to half of Earth, before they even try to stop him. Which makes them bad guys who think they're doing the right thing. (Or good guys so inept it's difficult to realise they own most of the human race). So type 1.
But I definitely hate Quinny boy more, so bad guys who do it for the evulz.
Also, I respect Redcloak, who is a definite type 1.
Whereas the guys who try to stop him, (I mean YOU, western europe supervisor) are totally ineffectual. Rather than quarantining off the city he arrives on earth in, they let him run riot, surrender millions, if not billions, of innocent people to possession, and give him access to half of Earth, before they even try to stop him. Which makes them bad guys who think they're doing the right thing. (Or good guys so inept it's difficult to realise they own most of the human race). So type 1.
But I definitely hate Quinny boy more, so bad guys who do it for the evulz.
Also, I respect Redcloak, who is a definite type 1.
I never really liked the doing evil for the hell of it kind of villain. They seemed stupid and shallow to me. I liked Joker because I always thought that he was fucked up as a child, like Batman, and is doing what he thinks is best for mankind.
Because mankind is scum of the filthiest kind and we should all just die or something like that.
I even liked the Fire Nation better after that episode with Sozin and Roku.
Because mankind is scum of the filthiest kind and we should all just die or something like that.
I even liked the Fire Nation better after that episode with Sozin and Roku.
Well I think with a lot of "villains" that know they are doing wrong but keep doing it (take a breath) do it because they know that they are going to get something out of it. I've never really seen the entertainment in someone pulling the insane card; it always seems like the easy way out, amusing certainly, but a bit lazy. A villain believing that they are doing the right thing tend to believe it because they are misguided or confused in some way; I personally find this more entertaining in situations where the villain begins to realize that they've been misguided but are to deep to dig themselves out. Great stuff.
TLDR: Villains who think that they're doing the right thing are more entertaining to me.
TLDR: Villains who think that they're doing the right thing are more entertaining to me.
I dislike villains who think they are doing the right thing, because they're most always wrong and we could have avoided a lot of trouble if they were a little less stupid.
I've always hated every villain where he/she thinks they are doing the right thing. That's not being bad, that's just being wrong. I prefer bad guys like Voldemort, or Sauron or Freeza (Or most of the bad guys in DBZ). Ones that simply want more power, or have that power and kill people/fuck up the world simply because they want to. There is no motivation behind them, there is no reasoning with them. They simply want to destroy shit because they enjoy it.
Which is why I loved playing Destroy All Humans!, and simply killing everyone. I'm sick of games forcing me to be the good guy, even if it does have some shitty morality system in it. Next Tomb Raider game, I want to be the guy that hunts Croft down and rape her. Next Prototype game, I want to be a character that uses his powers to kill everyone because he can (Even though the developers have since been squashed and reduced to making shitty DLC for Call of Duty). The next Fable game, I want to be the guy the Hero is trying to stop. Only to kill the Hero at the end, and become the malevolent ruler over Albian.
I want a game where you are praised for doing outright evil deeds, and given bonuses for the more random/evil/violent these acts are! I'm sick of the fucking cliché good guys winning!
Which is why I loved playing Destroy All Humans!, and simply killing everyone. I'm sick of games forcing me to be the good guy, even if it does have some shitty morality system in it. Next Tomb Raider game, I want to be the guy that hunts Croft down and rape her. Next Prototype game, I want to be a character that uses his powers to kill everyone because he can (Even though the developers have since been squashed and reduced to making shitty DLC for Call of Duty). The next Fable game, I want to be the guy the Hero is trying to stop. Only to kill the Hero at the end, and become the malevolent ruler over Albian.
I want a game where you are praised for doing outright evil deeds, and given bonuses for the more random/evil/violent these acts are! I'm sick of the fucking cliché good guys winning!
I like the villains who feel they are doing right. Like Magneto. While I read X-Men or watch the movies I feel kind of bad for the guy. His life was horrible and he doesn't want to suffer anymore. And you know what, he is right in a way. The humans are building sentinels to kill mutants. I'm getting a bit sidetracked but anyway it makes him a compelling villain because you have to wonder if he really IS the villain.
Now when its done poorly its bad. Like some guy killing babies and thinking "well gosh I really don't want overpopulation!" Isn't very compelling. Its an attempt to make the evil villains seem more human by giving them noble motivations, but they don't make sense.
Now when its done poorly its bad. Like some guy killing babies and thinking "well gosh I really don't want overpopulation!" Isn't very compelling. Its an attempt to make the evil villains seem more human by giving them noble motivations, but they don't make sense.
I like both, assuming they're well characterized and given appropriate context.
Gave me pause for thought. I generally love me a good villain from all different tropes and archetypes, but with anything there's exceptions...
I tend to dislike rich, high society type villains who are both foolish and arrogant - the clueless, huffy "how dare you" types, especially if they're after power for power's sake without any endgame beyond that. They can drive a plot, but they're not that interesting.
Even though it's grounded in something most people experience to some degree during their lives, I find villain's whose only motivation is obsessive infatuation with someone kinda one note, typically only interesting in what extremities they go to in pursuit of their 'love'.
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Reflecting on those picks, I'd say *in general* I find "big idea" villains more interested than self-obsessed ones, whatever their specific conceit. That's not written in stone though and also generally only applies to human antagonists.
Gave me pause for thought. I generally love me a good villain from all different tropes and archetypes, but with anything there's exceptions...
I tend to dislike rich, high society type villains who are both foolish and arrogant - the clueless, huffy "how dare you" types, especially if they're after power for power's sake without any endgame beyond that. They can drive a plot, but they're not that interesting.
Even though it's grounded in something most people experience to some degree during their lives, I find villain's whose only motivation is obsessive infatuation with someone kinda one note, typically only interesting in what extremities they go to in pursuit of their 'love'.
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Reflecting on those picks, I'd say *in general* I find "big idea" villains more interested than self-obsessed ones, whatever their specific conceit. That's not written in stone though and also generally only applies to human antagonists.