Poll: Was Darth Maul a good character in a bad Starwars film? Or a mediocre character in a really bad film

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dobahci

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I had always assumed it was because the Jedi wiped out the Sith. In the same movie yoda and mace windu(or however it's spelt) talk of the Sith "returning" so they must have had more presence in the past. Since the Sith and Jedi hate one another(another assumption on my end), I always assumed it would have been the jedi who got rid of them all.
Right, that would be the same assumption I made as well. I think that's what they were leading towards, but it's never really explained.

And honestly, I think the films would've been better if they DID spend some time explaining the background of the Sith, who they are, the history of them, and why the Jedi chose to exterminate them in the past. They could've spent a little time on that with all the screentime they'd have saved by removing all the absurd over-choreographed lightsaber fights and clumsy political and moral allegory that was shoehorned into the story.

And if the Jedi were indeed responsible for the near-extermination of the Sith in some previous event, then maybe you'd have that awkward moment after the Sith strike back where the Jedi say, "Hey, maybe we brought this upon ourselves. Maybe we shouldn't have wiped out the Sith wholesale back in those days, even if they do have a tendency to embrace the dark side." Holy cow, a moral gray area in a Star Wars story, imagine that! I doubt you'd ever see it, though. George Lucas doesn't really specialize in subtlety. Doesn't go over well with the 12-year-old boys he's marketing his franchise to nowadays.
 

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Could you really describe him as a character? All he did was say "Yes master" and then go kill qui-gon-jin.
 

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dobahci said:
Right, that would be the same assumption I made as well. I think that's what they were leading towards, but it's never really explained.

And honestly, I think the films would've been better if they DID spend some time explaining the background of the Sith, who they are, the history of them, and why the Jedi chose to exterminate them in the past. They could've spent a little time on that with all the screentime they'd have saved by removing all the absurd over-choreographed lightsaber fights and clumsy political and moral allegory that was shoehorned into the story.

And if the Jedi were indeed responsible for the near-extermination of the Sith in some previous event, then maybe you'd have that awkward moment after the Sith strike back where the Jedi say, "Hey, maybe we brought this upon ourselves. Maybe we shouldn't have wiped out the Sith wholesale back in those days, even if they do have a tendency to embrace the dark side." Holy cow, a moral gray area in a Star Wars story, imagine that! I doubt you'd ever see it, though. George Lucas doesn't really specialize in subtlety. Doesn't go over well with the 12-year-old boys he's marketing his franchise to nowadays.
Definitely, especially since the prequel movies were far more Sith Vs Jedi than Empire Vs Rebels. Having the long term goals and characterizations of one of the factions left completely to the imagination doesn't really work, especially for the ones who are trying to rise up against the status quo.

It could also tie into the "Chosen one" crap better. He's supposed to bring balance to the force, does that mean the The Dark Side and The Light Side were once practised equally alongside one another? Hell, the backstory just writes itself. I would gladly ditch most of the politics and padmeXanikin scenes for more explanation of why everyone was so eager to fight against the Jedi and republic.

The Chosen One stuff is just another thing they introduced that didn't really lead anywhere or become important.

Oh, I just looked it up on the starwars.wikia. Apparenty the force was never in balance(between light and dark), Jedi always protected the republic. And the sith were the newcomers who tried(and failed) to take over. And then just kept trying ever since. What a letdown.

Now that I think about it, for the jedi things were pretty much perfect at the start of the Phantom Menace. What does returning balance to the force entail, and how would it have benefited the jedi? It leaves me feeling as though they were afraid to actually come up with any real plot that hadn't been hinted at in the original trilogy.

Just realised that Anikin/Vader does bring balance to the force. He wipes out the Jedi AND the Sith. Problem solved, and a pretty good job of it too. :D
 

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What is his character? Like all I know was that he was evil by being a Sith and he was good with a lightsaber. He isn't a good character. Now don't think something has to speak to be a good character, but they have to show something through body language or the like to get me to understand them. Maul was a crappy videogame boss.
 

Hugga_Bear

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No, he was an average at best character in an average film.
He had no real personality and was little more than a driving force of bad which is okay for narrative (see The Grey where the wolves do the same thing) but sucks if he's meant to be important. Which he is.

Oh and the ending is balls. Sith are ruthless, not retarded. Silly Lucas.

He could have been a good character and a credible threat, his backstory helps but it's not part of the film (and didn't arise until people started fanboying over him). As it is he's little more than a dual lightsaber with legs and a 'menacing' face which is only creepy if you're 12. Such a waste. But yeah, just a blank slate in a pretty average film.
 

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He's a fetish character. People were in love with him before the movie even came out. He's this trilogy's Boba Fett.
 

MPerce

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He's not a character. He exists to swing a lightsaber around.
I voted "meh" because he at least swings a lightsaber around in a pretty fashion.
 

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I think maul was a great character in a great star wars movie. Yes, I am one of those evil demons who believes the prequel was better than the original trilogy. There, I said it.
 

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Yeah, I thought he was awesome. Sure all he does is swing a lightsaber around, but then again, isn't that what Star Wars has been about for the most part?

Seriously. Who would enjoy Star Wars if there wasn't someone with a lightsaber swinging it about?
 

MammothBlade

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What was wrong with The Phantom Menace? I don't get all the hate for the prequels. Except the presence of Jar Jar Binks. *shudder*

Darth Maul was an interesting if underdeveloped villain. Although he could have done with more character development, I appreciate that he had his reasons for remaining silent.

Meanwhile, people seem to put IV-VI on some sort of pedestal, when often they had even more of an excuse plot. I enjoyed the prequels because they chronicled the magnificent scheming of the future Emperor. What interesting twists does the original trilogy have, other than Luke, I am your father, and sorry Luke, that perky princess is actually your sister, and she doesn't do incest.
 

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Quite simply he's a lightsaber with legs. The design was good as was the double-saber reveal, but as a character he might as well have been a segway with a rat sat on it controlling it with a spinning lightsaber attached.
 

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MammothBlade said:
Darth Maul was an interesting if underdeveloped villain. Although he could have done with more character development, I appreciate that he had his reasons for remaining silent.
Could you please tell me how he is interesting? What piques your interest in him?
 

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He was a good villain in a decent movie.

In other words, he was a good thing for the characters to fear and fight, but as an actual character, he had nothing.

And the movie isn't as bad as everyone says it is, so your poll is flawed by not allowing that as an opinion.
 

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He was little more than a second rate lacky for the main villain who's only claim to fame was being involved in the best lightsaber duels in all 6 movies,
He was in Luke vs. Vader 1? Did Luke fall past his torso or something?
 

MammothBlade

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370999 said:
MammothBlade said:
Darth Maul was an interesting if underdeveloped villain. Although he could have done with more character development, I appreciate that he had his reasons for remaining silent.
Could you please tell me how he is interesting? What piques your interest in him?
He had a dark mystique to him. Where did he learn how to fight with dual-bladed lightsabres? How did he get ahold of such advanced and pimptastic technology? (The stealth ship he used to follow the Jedi). I got the impression that he was a demonic, and not entirely mortal being.
 

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He could have been a good character but the way they used him was terrible. No dialogue, no character arc, no personality.
 

MammothBlade

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Golan Trevize said:
MammothBlade said:
370999 said:
MammothBlade said:
Darth Maul was an interesting if underdeveloped villain. Although he could have done with more character development, I appreciate that he had his reasons for remaining silent.
Could you please tell me how he is interesting? What piques your interest in him?
He had a dark mystique to him. Where did he learn how to fight with dual-bladed lightsabres? How did he get ahold of such interesting technology? (The ship he used to follow the Jedi).
The emperor taught him. The emperor gave him his lightsaber and the emperor gave him his ship. So much for dark mystique.
The emperor wouldn't really have time to train him in dual sabres. There is a lot more to Maul.