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Horticulture

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I was raised Catholic. I still feel a nagging sense of guilt from time to time.

edit: Is there a debate in here over whether Catholics are Christians, or did I miss something skimming through the thread?
 

maximilian

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
Yeah, next time, just make your point when your 'point' consists of nothing but "I believe that theology is only that religious thinking that holds Scripture and Scripture alone to be authority"
Not "theology", but "Christian theology". Islam can say what it wants about Allah. Surely you were intelligent enough to see I was saying that since the beginning. Every single post re evagelical/bible has been exactly that.

C'mon--now you're just being a stubborn bastard. If the entirety of the OP was devoid of the necessary information, how would reading it in its entirety make a difference?
Because I state my theological position thoroughly. I.e. evangelical - bible based.


If they define Christians as even something nonsensical as (1) trees or (2) people who follow Christ, and ask why Christians are against contraception, you can say "well, among whom you've labeled Christians, it's the ones who follow the Pope and call themselves Catholic that are; evangelical Reformed and trees are not.
It's true I could have presented my opinion while stating the Catholic position on every point. However, economy of time/patience made that nigh on impossible. Look at the timings on the posts.

Just because we don't agree what constellation of characteristics put someone inside or outside a group, that doesn't mean there can't be misconceptions about things like what those characteristics actually are and in what constellations you find them.

Even if we disagree on whether a tomato is a fruit or a vegetable, we can still clear up each other's misconceptions on whether a tomato has a hard or soft skin, or if it's red or blue.
Definitely. However, the points where I was hard were points where you were describing an apple and calling it a tomato.

You need to be a little more flexible in your thinking about issues of viewpoints and taxonomy.
It's called liberalism and it rules the Western world. So no, I won't be flexible. However, a fair criticism is that I shouldn't have been so vitriolic in my differentiation between catholicism and evangelic christianity. I was pretty keen to clear the bibles name re. crusades, celibate priests, Mary etc as they were addressed.




A. You did not. You didn't stop at saying "it's Catholic heresy" you went further and said "it's Catholic heresy designed to create prolific Catholic congregations."
You disagree that it is heresy or that it was designed to create prolific congregations (looking at the time of invention and history of the church as a state - including military?)? I'm right on both accounts.

How exactly is telling people that Catholics are trying to take over the world by breeding faster than anyone necessary if you attempted to focus on theology? That's not theology OR church history. That's just prejudice.
No, it helps us understand God because we understand that he did NOT say "contraception is bad". I stated the reason for that teaching and the fact that it still exists in Catholicism as a hangover from a time in which it was strategically important to be prolific in every way. What would be prejudice is if I said "Catholics are all scum". I didn't. I just said "Catholicism isn't based on the bible" in a few different ways - non of which untruthful.

B. I said "what happened during the Reformation" not 'why did it happen'. There's a difference.
I'm lost. I don't see what difference this makes. Point is: bible is top priority and I'm showing that in every area I answered.
 

yzzlthtz

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I was raised as a very progressive open-minded kind of Hindu. I had an agnostic period, questioning everything...
then I had a direct experience of my soul. I'm pretty much a progressive Hindu again.
 

maximilian

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
So basically any time there's a difference between Catholicism and Reformed Christianity, the Reformed Christianity position has nothing to do with real world issues, and the Catholic position is the result of some nefarious plot for world domination.
Nope and nope. Reformed theology is based on the Bible and can therefore be called "christian", catholicism is not and therefore cannot. Simple.

At least when the Pope wears a funny hat, he doesn't cover it in tin foil...
Good line, I'll quote this in something else.

My point *exactly*
Then why point out said difference?

Anyway, I feel we're coming into land now Cheeze. Thank you for flying Maximilian airways. I hope you'll travel with us again in the future.
 

The Black Adder

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Ula said:
The Black Adder said:
How are you a Pagan, then not into religion?
It is some kind of trend? Yeah, let's all pretend we worship deities that were crushed by the Christian over 600 years ago so a bunch of people think we are cool.
I really doubt that you are a real Pagan, you can just choose, it's not like subscription based religions.
And you already debunked yourself by saying that your mom followed you, so the values and rituals weren't passed down, so where would you get them from?
1)I still am, I jost don't follow it as closely to the book as I used to.
2)Nope.
3)I actually am, so there.
4)It's not necessarily a blood line thing.

Oh and don't judge a person you've never met, I really don't like people who do that.
And what book would this be? The Pagan Bible?
 

ragvaror

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Well I was raised in a catholic community by fairly agnostic parents, and didnt hae much of a religious influence on my life until i went to college. It was a private catholic college, so it was everywhere and everyone had to take a religion class. Mind you, after those two years I probably had less belief in god than i did to start with, bunch of hypocrits they are, lol.

Anyways, before i start ranting and get myself into trouble, I'm now totally and happily asatru.
 

Nefy

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In godless Sweden, nobody knows what this 'God' thing you speak of is!

I was influenced to not believe in anything, so I suppose that means Yes.
 

AngloDoom

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My family are aethiest, however they never once tried to influence me; they let me try and figure it out on my own.

However, one of the schools I went to when I was a little toddler was Christian and read Bible-extracts out at story-time and a prayer before we ate. What they did incorrectly, assuming they were trying to teach the word of God and all that, is tell nursery-rhymes and the such next to the Bible stories. As a child I was always a full-blown arrogant aethiest like I am today. I grew up with people reading obviously fanciful stories like 'Humpty Dumpty', and then read something about some bloke who made the entire Universe. Both sounded ridiculous, so I just viewed them as stories.

I did look into religion once, to see if I could better understand it and therefore make a better guess at it. I ended up underlining parts of the Bible I could use on people who tried to call me stupid for not believing in any kind of religion.
 

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The Black Adder said:
Ula said:
The Black Adder said:
How are you a Pagan, then not into religion?
It is some kind of trend? Yeah, let's all pretend we worship deities that were crushed by the Christian over 600 years ago so a bunch of people think we are cool.
I really doubt that you are a real Pagan, you can just choose, it's not like subscription based religions.
And you already debunked yourself by saying that your mom followed you, so the values and rituals weren't passed down, so where would you get them from?
1)I still am, I jost don't follow it as closely to the book as I used to.
2)Nope.
3)I actually am, so there.
4)It's not necessarily a blood line thing.

Oh and don't judge a person you've never met, I really don't like people who do that.
And what book would this be? The Pagan Bible?
It's a figure of speech.
And the particular branch I follow (wicca)the book's called the Wiccan Rede.
 

SmartIdiot

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Nope. I went to a catholic school when I was younger and spent a good deal of my teens hating and sabotaging it with every ounce of venom I could muster. Now I'm 21 and while I still disagree with religion, you cannot attack people for their beliefs. It's the fundamentalist that's your enemy, not the guy you meet on the street.
 

the captain

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This is a stupid topic. Of course, everyone?s religion is influenced because, for the most part, we are indoctrinated from birth to have the same beliefs as our parents. The only reason why people ever have a different religion than their parents is because they are free thinking individuals that have questioned what they were taught and come to their own conclusions.
 

Lord Raiyu

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Some Student started answering questions abou wicca and everything about it made perfect sense. I've been a catholic for 17 years but in one hour my beliefs were changed. I'm a witch.
 

nova18

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pieeater911 said:
I was raised Methodist Christian.
I stopped believing in God at about the age of thirteen, but I did not tell anyone until I was about sixteen.

I live in the "Bible Belt" of America. The people here hate you if you don't believe in their god. That was what kept me from speaking out, but eventually I got fed up with living a lie. I could no longer pretend to believe in what is truly unbelievable.

I don't try to pretend to know what happens after people die. Anybody who tells you they do know is a liar.

Good people, don't be timid if you don't believe in any kind of god or deity. You have just as much of a right to voice your skepticism as they have to voice their faith.
Reminds me of that song "Archers" by Brand New, where one of the lyrics say:
"Your beating with the book everyone the book told you to love".

On topic, I dont follow any religions, nor do my family. Out of all of the organized religions, Buddhism appeals the most to me lol. But I believe that I am the most powerful being on the planet and probably created the universe.