You do realize that you probably wouldn't be allowed to have an opinion on the issue in a monarchy or dictatorship right?Hearthing said:In reply to you, those groups don't sum it up.
I'm a proud beleiver in dictatorships / Monarchy.
I'd rather have a government where one person will actually get something done as apposed to a government that screw me over whenever they can.
(I realise the irony thank you.)
I give up being subtle, its a term for anarchism (think on it). I guess I should stop giving cryptic hints.Oldmanwillow said:what socialist do they create a big government that regulates everything. They arent fascist though because the govenment doesnt run the free market they just regulate it. i have no idea how you got fascist from what i said. I know that not all libertarians aren't anarchist's (hell iam not) again how you got that out of the post confuses me as well. But all libertarians do believe in as little government regulation as possible and if you dont believe in that you are not a libertarian.lornb said:It's called libertarian socialism or left libertarianism. Libertarianism isn't equal to anarchism and I'm still trying to understand how you're confusing socialism with authoritarianism or fascism.Oldmanwillow said:how could you be a libertarian and a socialist? they are at odds with each other. I libertarian believe in as little government (or no government) as possible. While a socialist believes in government regulation. how could you be both? unless are you talking about European definishions (sorry i dont know if they got different meaning across the pound)lornb said:Libertarian and I lean on the Socialist side.
If you view the libertarian non aggression axiom as an absolute then you are an anarchist. (non aggression axiom that it shall be legal for anyone to do anything he wants, provided only that he not initiate (or threaten) violence against the person or legitimately owned property of another.)lornb said:I give up being subtle, its a term for anarchism (think on it). I guess I should stop giving cryptic hints.Oldmanwillow said:what socialist do they create a big government that regulates everything. They arent fascist though because the govenment doesnt run the free market they just regulate it. i have no idea how you got fascist from what i said. I know that not all libertarians aren't anarchist's (hell iam not) again how you got that out of the post confuses me as well. But all libertarians do believe in as little government regulation as possible and if you dont believe in that you are not a libertarian.lornb said:It's called libertarian socialism or left libertarianism. Libertarianism isn't equal to anarchism and I'm still trying to understand how you're confusing socialism with authoritarianism or fascism.Oldmanwillow said:how could you be a libertarian and a socialist? they are at odds with each other. I libertarian believe in as little government (or no government) as possible. While a socialist believes in government regulation. how could you be both? unless are you talking about European definishions (sorry i dont know if they got different meaning across the pound)lornb said:Libertarian and I lean on the Socialist side.
again that why you cant have absolute libertarianism because anarchism shortly follows and that shortly leads to the distruction of man. If you dont view it as an absolute and view it like a consequentialist utilitarian it can lead to some very good things.Worgen said:libertarianism really only seems like a good idea if everyone agrees to it, if even just a few people decide to go against it then you run into problems, people naturaly follow leaders and in a sociaty whos only rule is dont hurt other people then its easy for one person to gain alot of power quickly. really being a libertarian is hoping for the best in people and if history has taught us anything its that, that doesnt work
well really democracy forces the same thing and the same could be argued for it but since we have alot of people in this country some with vastly diffrent views and many who dont care enough to really find out about things. it would really fall either into a democracy like we have now or a dictatorship depending on who managed to gain the most powerOldmanwillow said:again that why you cant have absolute libertarianism because anarchism shortly follows and that shortly leads to the distruction of man. If you dont view it as an absolute and view it like a consequentialist utilitarian it can lead to some very good things.Worgen said:libertarianism really only seems like a good idea if everyone agrees to it, if even just a few people decide to go against it then you run into problems, people naturaly follow leaders and in a sociaty whos only rule is dont hurt other people then its easy for one person to gain alot of power quickly. really being a libertarian is hoping for the best in people and if history has taught us anything its that, that doesnt work
It forces everyone to compete for everything and it gives the most liberties to all. When people compete it brings out the best in us. As societies we would develop much quicker.
I libertarian government couldn't lead to a dictatorship because a true libertarian believes in as little government as possible. For the last time iam not an avoicate for absolute libertarianism. I just strongly believe that government should have as little control as possible. Socialism can lead to dictatorship while libertarianism leads to independant people and little government control.Worgen said:well really democracy forces the same thing and the same could be argued for it but since we have alot of people in this country some with vastly diffrent views and many who dont care enough to really find out about things. it would really fall either into a democracy like we have now or a dictatorship depending on who managed to gain the most powerOldmanwillow said:again that why you cant have absolute libertarianism because anarchism shortly follows and that shortly leads to the distruction of man. If you dont view it as an absolute and view it like a consequentialist utilitarian it can lead to some very good things.Worgen said:libertarianism really only seems like a good idea if everyone agrees to it, if even just a few people decide to go against it then you run into problems, people naturaly follow leaders and in a sociaty whos only rule is dont hurt other people then its easy for one person to gain alot of power quickly. really being a libertarian is hoping for the best in people and if history has taught us anything its that, that doesnt work
It forces everyone to compete for everything and it gives the most liberties to all. When people compete it brings out the best in us. As societies we would develop much quicker.
its a fine idea but in reality it doesnt work without a big shift in the way people think, if you follow the early history of the united states then you will see that our first efforts for government were close to libertarianism and they didnt workOldmanwillow said:I libertarian government couldn't lead to a dictatorship because a true libertarian believes in as little government as possible. For the last time iam not an avoicate for absolute libertarianism. I just strongly believe that government should have as little control as possible. Socialism can lead to dictatorship while libertarianism leads to independant people and little government control.Worgen said:well really democracy forces the same thing and the same could be argued for it but since we have alot of people in this country some with vastly diffrent views and many who dont care enough to really find out about things. it would really fall either into a democracy like we have now or a dictatorship depending on who managed to gain the most powerOldmanwillow said:again that why you cant have absolute libertarianism because anarchism shortly follows and that shortly leads to the distruction of man. If you dont view it as an absolute and view it like a consequentialist utilitarian it can lead to some very good things.Worgen said:libertarianism really only seems like a good idea if everyone agrees to it, if even just a few people decide to go against it then you run into problems, people naturaly follow leaders and in a sociaty whos only rule is dont hurt other people then its easy for one person to gain alot of power quickly. really being a libertarian is hoping for the best in people and if history has taught us anything its that, that doesnt work
It forces everyone to compete for everything and it gives the most liberties to all. When people compete it brings out the best in us. As societies we would develop much quicker.