Poll: What are Escapist users political views? Rep, Dem, Lib, Green, what? =D

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Crowghast

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An independant resides here amongst you.

I take the good parts of every philosophy, political view, decision or ideal. I mash them together, and I put together whatever is of most interest to me.

That, or I roll a dice to see who wins.
 

JodaSFU

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Hearthing said:
In reply to you, those groups don't sum it up.

I'm a proud beleiver in dictatorships / Monarchy.

I'd rather have a government where one person will actually get something done as apposed to a government that screw me over whenever they can.

(I realise the irony thank you.)
You do realize that you probably wouldn't be allowed to have an opinion on the issue in a monarchy or dictatorship right?
 

Rooster Cogburn

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I stand for Liberty against Lincolnian Imperialism. Deo Vindice

British and French, remember your friends in the South.
 

Oldmanwillow

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I might be wrong but i find a lot of hypocrisy in every polical system except libertarianism.

Liberal believe that most things should be legal but the government regulates everything so you are not as free as you could/should be. They also think that they can outlaw everything that offends them (political correntness smoking ect)

Conservatives believe in little government but they think that they have the right to outlaw things that they do not approve of or take offence to they ban it. (All drugs except the drugs that are already legal)

Libertarians believe that every person has the right to do what ever they want as long as it doesn't interfere with the wellbeing or property of another person.

example if i dont like smoking i just dont go to areas that smoke. I dont try and take away other right to smoke.
 

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Oldmanwillow said:
lornb said:
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Libertarian and I lean on the Socialist side.
how could you be a libertarian and a socialist? they are at odds with each other. I libertarian believe in as little government (or no government) as possible. While a socialist believes in government regulation. how could you be both? unless are you talking about European definishions (sorry i dont know if they got different meaning across the pound)
It's called libertarian socialism or left libertarianism. Libertarianism isn't equal to anarchism and I'm still trying to understand how you're confusing socialism with authoritarianism or fascism.
what socialist do they create a big government that regulates everything. They arent fascist though because the govenment doesnt run the free market they just regulate it. i have no idea how you got fascist from what i said. I know that not all libertarians aren't anarchist's (hell iam not) again how you got that out of the post confuses me as well. But all libertarians do believe in as little government regulation as possible and if you dont believe in that you are not a libertarian.
I give up being subtle, its a term for anarchism (think on it). I guess I should stop giving cryptic hints.
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
libertarianism really only seems like a good idea if everyone agrees to it, if even just a few people decide to go against it then you run into problems, people naturaly follow leaders and in a sociaty whos only rule is dont hurt other people then its easy for one person to gain alot of power quickly. really being a libertarian is hoping for the best in people and if history has taught us anything its that, that doesnt work
 

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lornb said:
Oldmanwillow said:
lornb said:
Oldmanwillow said:
lornb said:
Libertarian and I lean on the Socialist side.
how could you be a libertarian and a socialist? they are at odds with each other. I libertarian believe in as little government (or no government) as possible. While a socialist believes in government regulation. how could you be both? unless are you talking about European definishions (sorry i dont know if they got different meaning across the pound)
It's called libertarian socialism or left libertarianism. Libertarianism isn't equal to anarchism and I'm still trying to understand how you're confusing socialism with authoritarianism or fascism.
what socialist do they create a big government that regulates everything. They arent fascist though because the govenment doesnt run the free market they just regulate it. i have no idea how you got fascist from what i said. I know that not all libertarians aren't anarchist's (hell iam not) again how you got that out of the post confuses me as well. But all libertarians do believe in as little government regulation as possible and if you dont believe in that you are not a libertarian.
I give up being subtle, its a term for anarchism (think on it). I guess I should stop giving cryptic hints.
If you view the libertarian non aggression axiom as an absolute then you are an anarchist. (non aggression axiom that it shall be legal for anyone to do anything he wants, provided only that he not initiate (or threaten) violence against the person or legitimately owned property of another.)

I do believe in that principle i just dont believe in it as an absolute. You can be a libertarian without being an anarchist. Government is a necessary evil because of all the ill will that human nature has for each other. but government should be as small as possible (infostructure, emergency services, military, and education). Anything other than that it oversteps its purpose.
 

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Worgen said:
libertarianism really only seems like a good idea if everyone agrees to it, if even just a few people decide to go against it then you run into problems, people naturaly follow leaders and in a sociaty whos only rule is dont hurt other people then its easy for one person to gain alot of power quickly. really being a libertarian is hoping for the best in people and if history has taught us anything its that, that doesnt work
again that why you cant have absolute libertarianism because anarchism shortly follows and that shortly leads to the distruction of man. If you dont view it as an absolute and view it like a consequentialist utilitarian it can lead to some very good things.

It forces everyone to compete for everything and it gives the most liberties to all. When people compete it brings out the best in us. As societies we would develop much quicker.
 

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Oldmanwillow said:
Worgen said:
libertarianism really only seems like a good idea if everyone agrees to it, if even just a few people decide to go against it then you run into problems, people naturaly follow leaders and in a sociaty whos only rule is dont hurt other people then its easy for one person to gain alot of power quickly. really being a libertarian is hoping for the best in people and if history has taught us anything its that, that doesnt work
again that why you cant have absolute libertarianism because anarchism shortly follows and that shortly leads to the distruction of man. If you dont view it as an absolute and view it like a consequentialist utilitarian it can lead to some very good things.

It forces everyone to compete for everything and it gives the most liberties to all. When people compete it brings out the best in us. As societies we would develop much quicker.
well really democracy forces the same thing and the same could be argued for it but since we have alot of people in this country some with vastly diffrent views and many who dont care enough to really find out about things. it would really fall either into a democracy like we have now or a dictatorship depending on who managed to gain the most power
 

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Worgen said:
Oldmanwillow said:
Worgen said:
libertarianism really only seems like a good idea if everyone agrees to it, if even just a few people decide to go against it then you run into problems, people naturaly follow leaders and in a sociaty whos only rule is dont hurt other people then its easy for one person to gain alot of power quickly. really being a libertarian is hoping for the best in people and if history has taught us anything its that, that doesnt work
again that why you cant have absolute libertarianism because anarchism shortly follows and that shortly leads to the distruction of man. If you dont view it as an absolute and view it like a consequentialist utilitarian it can lead to some very good things.

It forces everyone to compete for everything and it gives the most liberties to all. When people compete it brings out the best in us. As societies we would develop much quicker.
well really democracy forces the same thing and the same could be argued for it but since we have alot of people in this country some with vastly diffrent views and many who dont care enough to really find out about things. it would really fall either into a democracy like we have now or a dictatorship depending on who managed to gain the most power
I libertarian government couldn't lead to a dictatorship because a true libertarian believes in as little government as possible. For the last time iam not an avoicate for absolute libertarianism. I just strongly believe that government should have as little control as possible. Socialism can lead to dictatorship while libertarianism leads to independant people and little government control.
 

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Oldmanwillow said:
Worgen said:
Oldmanwillow said:
Worgen said:
libertarianism really only seems like a good idea if everyone agrees to it, if even just a few people decide to go against it then you run into problems, people naturaly follow leaders and in a sociaty whos only rule is dont hurt other people then its easy for one person to gain alot of power quickly. really being a libertarian is hoping for the best in people and if history has taught us anything its that, that doesnt work
again that why you cant have absolute libertarianism because anarchism shortly follows and that shortly leads to the distruction of man. If you dont view it as an absolute and view it like a consequentialist utilitarian it can lead to some very good things.

It forces everyone to compete for everything and it gives the most liberties to all. When people compete it brings out the best in us. As societies we would develop much quicker.
well really democracy forces the same thing and the same could be argued for it but since we have alot of people in this country some with vastly diffrent views and many who dont care enough to really find out about things. it would really fall either into a democracy like we have now or a dictatorship depending on who managed to gain the most power
I libertarian government couldn't lead to a dictatorship because a true libertarian believes in as little government as possible. For the last time iam not an avoicate for absolute libertarianism. I just strongly believe that government should have as little control as possible. Socialism can lead to dictatorship while libertarianism leads to independant people and little government control.
its a fine idea but in reality it doesnt work without a big shift in the way people think, if you follow the early history of the united states then you will see that our first efforts for government were close to libertarianism and they didnt work
 

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Interestingly enough there is a party caled the Independent Party, so if you registered independent with the intention of not joinging a party at all you may want to check your registration and change it to "NPA" or No Party Affiliation. That's where I'm at.