If grunting counts then why not squeaking and chittering? Or singing and chirping, for that matter? Why not let ALL animal sounds count?TheNamlessGuy said:
Poll: "What are you people, animals?!"
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I also said MODERN DAY SOCIETY. I know many ancient humans were barbarak, thats why i said modern day.Lebynthos said:
So, let's get this one straight. Humans aren't animals purely for the reason that we've evolved a very detailed means of communication? What kind of argument is that?TheNamlessGuy said:
We're mammals and we belong to the universal classification system. We are animals.
I don't have a clear understanding of what you consider the pejorative "animals" to be.Supreme Unleaded said:
I see all humans as animals. Sometimes humans do things so unbelievably stupid that I want to rank them at the bottom of the intelligence chain. Ants are smarter than most people.
We are animals.
This is not up for debate. We are mammals. We are animals.
Everything on this earth that isn't a plant or bacteria or a particle is an animal
This is not up for debate. We are mammals. We are animals.
Everything on this earth that isn't a plant or bacteria or a particle is an animal
Just because you don't understand it, that doesn't mean it's not language. Crows, for example, have been demonstrated to have a language capable of passing experience on to their offspring, a trait only thought to be shared with humans and apes.Kiba Bloodfang said:
http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/natureofthings/2009/murderofcrows/
So you're saying animals can't learn their own language? They can't learn our language, raccoons can't learn to speak girraffe, lions don't understand horse language and butterflies don't know what the alligators are saying. NO ONE has developed it into anything "learnable". Humans haven't done it. Why do you say we have?TheNamlessGuy said:
There is no doubt that we are animals, we act like animals in a number of ways, we are just as much a mammal as a chimp or a rabbit or even a whale.
A thing that a lot of you have said though is that we are a better class of animal. I don't believe this. It is debatable that we are more intelligent. I'd say it's very wrong and very ignorant to suggest that we have evolved most or best though. Some animals, such as spiders were here a long time before us and they'll probably outlive us. If anything I would suggest that our ability to .... I don't even know what word to use. Our ability to process thought is different to animals and the ability to have complex emotions are weaknesses of ours. You'll never see wolves going to war with each other, and animals can survive against all the elements without the use of invention.
We are a dying race, and our dominance of the world is subjective. We toy with nature and because of this we do ourselves no favours. We will die out long before many many animals.
Morbidity over.
Edit: this whole argument of language is immaterial. Language is a term invented by us but our means of communicating are not better then any other animal, we use far to many words to describe completely unneccessary things, something that animals are not limited by, animals have no need for formality, we have developed unneccesary ideas. An animal can communicate about food, shelter, sex, and other such important things and live a simple and productive life. Ours lives are very complex and unproductive.
A thing that a lot of you have said though is that we are a better class of animal. I don't believe this. It is debatable that we are more intelligent. I'd say it's very wrong and very ignorant to suggest that we have evolved most or best though. Some animals, such as spiders were here a long time before us and they'll probably outlive us. If anything I would suggest that our ability to .... I don't even know what word to use. Our ability to process thought is different to animals and the ability to have complex emotions are weaknesses of ours. You'll never see wolves going to war with each other, and animals can survive against all the elements without the use of invention.
We are a dying race, and our dominance of the world is subjective. We toy with nature and because of this we do ourselves no favours. We will die out long before many many animals.
Morbidity over.
Edit: this whole argument of language is immaterial. Language is a term invented by us but our means of communicating are not better then any other animal, we use far to many words to describe completely unneccessary things, something that animals are not limited by, animals have no need for formality, we have developed unneccesary ideas. An animal can communicate about food, shelter, sex, and other such important things and live a simple and productive life. Ours lives are very complex and unproductive.
I think that's more because we can raise an animal in human captivity, but we can't raise humans in animal captivity for ethical reasons.TheNamlessGuy said:
The best way to initially pick up a language isn't formal education.
There is no "more evolved." Evolution doesn't work that way.TheNamlessGuy said:
So continues my beef with inept science fiction writers.
Natural selection doesn't care about intelligence, strength, or monocles. All your genes "care" about is your ability to survive, reproduce, and maybe ensure the survival and reproduction of its offspring. And even if an animal has a comparative advantage in a given environment, the environment can change, putting that animal at a reproductive disadvantage. Increases in any trait you may find desirable are simply happy co-incidences.TheNamlessGuy said:
There is no "higher" or "lower" in evolution. There's only adaption and survival, in the context of competition and environment.