Poll: What do other country think of america

[dyre]

My apologies, I spoke too soon and too broadly. There were elements within the American government that supported the Nazi ideology, especially among the Southern states where the attitude to Jews was much the same as it was to African Americans. As for America and war profiteering in world war 2 I suggest you check out this book 'Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler', it will explain it a lot better than I could. But thank you for the civil and educated response, it always warms my heart cockles to see reasonable and intelligent people on the Internet.

I got the impression that you don't really feel like continuing this chat, but I thought I ought to bring this up.

I briefly looked at that book, and to be honest, I don't think it has much historical credibility. I mean, to include the Dawes and Young plans as helping the rise of Hitler is absurd, unless he's suggesting we should have kept Germany as a bankrupt cesspit. It even claims that FDR's New Deal was somehow similar to Hitler's New Order plan, which is laughably stupid. The whole book just seems to be cherry-picking quotes and numbers and weaving "facts" out of them.

There's no question that American companies probably helped pre-war Germany rebuild and even rearm; I'm sure many English and French companies were involved too. At the time, Hitler's anti-semetic policies were still, well, nonlethal. There were no economic sanctions against him. But that's not profiteering; that's just regular business with other countries.

Anyways, I'll leave it at that. It was good having a civil discussion with you. Btw, if you want more accurate reasons to dislike the US, check out the CIA-orchestrated regime changes under the Eisenhower administration.

 

[Luke3184]

I got the impression that you don't really feel like continuing this chat, but I thought I ought to bring this up.

I briefly looked at that book, and to be honest, I don't think it has much historical credibility. I mean, to include the Dawes and Young plans as helping the rise of Hitler is absurd, unless he's suggesting we should have kept Germany as a bankrupt cesspit. It even claims that FDR's New Deal was somehow similar to Hitler's New Order plan, which is laughably stupid. The whole book just seems to be cherry-picking quotes and numbers and weaving "facts" out of them.

There's no question that American companies probably helped pre-war Germany rebuild and even rearm; I'm sure many English and French companies were involved too. At the time, Hitler's anti-semetic policies were still, well, nonlethal. There were no economic sanctions against him. But that's not profiteering; that's just regular business with other countries.

Anyways, I'll leave it at that. It was good having a civil discussion with you. Btw, if you want more accurate reasons to dislike the US, check out the CIA-orchestrated regime changes under the Eisenhower administration.

It's true that I don't, but not for the reason you would imagine. I thoroughly enjoy having my arsed handed to me in debates, which you have clearly done thus inspiring me to do significantly more research into the area. And whilst I do want to continue discussing this as you are incredibly educational, I'm currently using it as an excuse to not do the essay I currently really don't want to write. Maybe on an afternoon I'm less busy we can continue this...

 

[dyre]

I got the impression that you don't really feel like continuing this chat, but I thought I ought to bring this up.

I briefly looked at that book, and to be honest, I don't think it has much historical credibility. I mean, to include the Dawes and Young plans as helping the rise of Hitler is absurd, unless he's suggesting we should have kept Germany as a bankrupt cesspit. It even claims that FDR's New Deal was somehow similar to Hitler's New Order plan, which is laughably stupid. The whole book just seems to be cherry-picking quotes and numbers and weaving "facts" out of them.

There's no question that American companies probably helped pre-war Germany rebuild and even rearm; I'm sure many English and French companies were involved too. At the time, Hitler's anti-semetic policies were still, well, nonlethal. There were no economic sanctions against him. But that's not profiteering; that's just regular business with other countries.

Anyways, I'll leave it at that. It was good having a civil discussion with you. Btw, if you want more accurate reasons to dislike the US, check out the CIA-orchestrated regime changes under the Eisenhower administration.

It's true that I don't, but not for the reason you would imagine. I thoroughly enjoy having my arsed handed to me in debates, which you have clearly done thus inspiring me to do significantly more research into the area. And whilst I do want to continue discussing this as you are incredibly educational, I'm currently using it as an excuse to not do the essay I currently really don't want to write. Maybe on an afternoon I'm less busy we can continue this...

Ok, good luck with your essay!

 

[Stu35]

We don't anywhere near the same level of overt patriotism in the Uk or in british media.

I think it's been beaten out of us by 2 world wars that were largely triggered by nationalism and one fuck-off massive empire with a history so confused that it's difficult to say whether I should be proud or ashamed of it.

Thats just a lie.

Either that or you don't actually pay any attention to our media.


We have plenty of patriotism, we're perhaps a little more refined about it than America, but trust me, it's there.

Also, whilst you may be confused about whether or not to be proud of the Empire, consider that your forefathers took a small island and made her the dominant power in the world. Effectively gave birth to all modern technology (if not directly, then I think you'd find it hard to argue we'd be where we are technologically without the Industrial Revolution, in particular it's rapid nature in Britain due, in large part, to the big fuck-off empire and the wealth it brought).

Now, I'm not gonna say that people should have any pride or any real emotions to what ultimately adds up to the land they were born in (something they have no control over), but given that I'm emigrating to Canada in a few years (and I'll happily take up their flag when I do it), I'm still pretty damned happy that I was lucky enough to be one of the 60 Million people from these fair Isles. Only the Germans and Canadians have it better in my opinion.

Finally. If you think there's no nationalism left in the country - look at the BNP, EDL and UKIP - extremist racist fucking cunts, but they get more and more support every year. That worries the hell out of me, but it demonstrates that there are still British people who are willing to get just as flag-wavingly stupid as some of the Americans we see portrayed.

 

[Evilpigeon]

We don't anywhere near the same level of overt patriotism in the Uk or in british media.

I think it's been beaten out of us by 2 world wars that were largely triggered by nationalism and one fuck-off massive empire with a history so confused that it's difficult to say whether I should be proud or ashamed of it.

Thats just a lie.

Either that or you don't actually pay any attention to our media.


We have plenty of patriotism, we're perhaps a little more refined about it than America, but trust me, it's there.

Also, whilst you may be confused about whether or not to be proud of the Empire, consider that your forefathers took a small island and made her the dominant power in the world. Effectively gave birth to all modern technology (if not directly, then I think you'd find it hard to argue we'd be where we are technologically without the Industrial Revolution, in particular it's rapid nature in Britain due, in large part, to the big fuck-off empire and the wealth it brought).

Now, I'm not gonna say that people should have any pride or any real emotions to what ultimately adds up to the land they were born in (something they have no control over), but given that I'm emigrating to Canada in a few years (and I'll happily take up their flag when I do it), I'm still pretty damned happy that I was lucky enough to be one of the 60 Million people from these fair Isles. Only the Germans and Canadians have it better in my opinion.

Finally. If you think there's no nationalism left in the country - look at the BNP, EDL and UKIP - extremist racist fucking cunts, but they get more and more support every year. That worries the hell out of me, but it demonstrates that there are still British people who are willing to get just as flag-wavingly stupid as some of the Americans we see portrayed.

For the first bit, I said overt so yeah if we're more refined and less upfront about it then that doesn't conflict with my statement Although to be honest I can't remember the last time I saw something patriotic enough to equal anything political coming out of the US that wasn't actual coverage of a royal event.

As to the empire: In the process we also managed to be a central player in the slave trade, go to war with china to forcibly sell Opium to their population, fuck up huge chunks of Africa (a combination of the way we ran the countries and the horribly irresponsible way we withdrew from many of them, leaving them so unstable.) Oh! we also invented the concentration camp during the Boer war in South Africa I could definately come up with more but this was off the top of my head, we forcibly ruled large chunks of the planet, is it impressive? Sure. Is it something to be proud of? I'm not certain I should be proud of being the country that's best at forcibly subjugating others in the name of profit.

Yes we have our racist retards, every country does but ours have much less power. There's no British Teaparty movement that I know of.

 

[backinthepresentfuture]

if i could cry, i would cry everyday about being born in this unbearable country. please someone take me to a different country, anywhere, please.

 

[Selon]

I would describe my attitude towards America as none of the above,
I think in general it's not that bad that I would call all americans idiots
I do think Americans are way too religious, way too right wing (the democrats would be the equavalent of the most right wing party in a lot of other nations), and way too capitalistic (yes this is part of being so right winged but still worth mentioning)

 

[xGraeme63x]

I'm a US American and it seems that there are fellow US Americans that hate us just as much as the perceived hatred coming from other countries. Honestly, we're a country that makes mistakes and I don't think there's a country out there that has never made a mistake.

The only problem is that you guys don't seem to understand when you make mistakes. It's always someone elses fault. Atleast that's the impression I get from talking to the citizens and watching the news.

OT - I think the ignorance in the country is un-measureable. I speak to many US citizens that think Canada is an inferior country, and that we don't contribute to the world. Though I only interact with a small population of the states, that little bit of people makes me not want to go into your country. I think they need to get a good smack in the head to learn that they aren't the police of the world, and to stop messing with the politics of the world. It's getting on our nerves and it'll come back to bite them.