I'm one of those people who doesnt have to work to earn halfway decent grades. I could get straight A's but Im too lazy. I hate people who hold grades over your head (Im looking at you school system).Hunde Des Krieg said:
Poll: What do you judge intelligence by?
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Don't be a fucking retard... thats how i judge stuff. In games, I judge people by their intelligence (which ironically i spelled wrong until foxfire spelled correctly) i don't hate people because of their gear/score/ whatever. I hate them because of their personality, so if they lack that (which usually comes from lack of common sense) i hate them because they are stupid in my opinion
Amen, i was in an AVID class which is bullshit high school "helping" system, but every 6 weeks we would change positions in the class room, sorted by GPA, and all the people on the "smart" side would always laugh at the people at the "stupid" side. Yet during my math class, i had my ipod always playing wasn't even looking at the board, had my hood on, and answered questions that no one else could answer in the class. I just never did the homework which screwed me overRavingPenguin said:
I would have to agree - even if you know a lot, whether it is reading a lot of books (depends on the kind of book) or knowledge of a specific thing, or what. I mean you could know every state for every player in a certain sport, but that doesn't make you intelligent, it just makes you have a bit of (practically speaking) useless knowledge.KeithA45 said:
The thing is, there is about...8? at least different kinds of "intelligence"
Verbal Intelligent
Math/Reasoning Intelligence
Social
Emotional
et cetera. So...I guess you have to be specific about what type of intelligence and learning you are speaking of. :3
I'll be honest in saying that I created this thread for selfish reasons. I know it sounds absurd but my ex-girlfriend really did tell me "I judge someone's intelligence by the number of books they've read" and I had never been so frustrated at someone I cared about in my life. It really does bother me when someoneone thinks they can quickly judge someone based on certain rediculous criteria, especially # of books read. I just needed an outlet for my frustration and hear from others whether they agree with her (as of right now, not a single person does).
Thanks guys =)
Continue the thread if you like, I'm curious to see what kind of results turn up.
Thanks guys =)
Continue the thread if you like, I'm curious to see what kind of results turn up.
What I would say is that we have a tendency to place more emphasis on a few of these traits when measuring intelligence. I have more 'book-smarts' than 'people-smarts' so I am impressed by people with good social skills and I tend to find that they reciprocate.Desaari said:
Playing (or rather observing) Portal with friends is a real eye-opener in terms of logical and problem solving abilities.
"Book smart. Common sense stupid." Man, have I heard that phrase be told to me a lot in the past. Hmph.
Judging anyone by grades has to be one of the dumbest ways to find out if a person is intelligent or not. There are three different types of learning styles. Those that are visual, auditory and a "kinesthetic" hands-on learner. Someone might learn and understand a concept if they just see it on the board. They can process it and understand it as such. They can look at a instruction book with NO pictures (-twitch-) and figure out how to do it. Some can just hear how it's done and be able to do it verbatimly just by hearing it. However, like me, I'm a blend of all 3 learning styles. I can read over the instructions, hear how it's done but sometimes it doesn't click. I need to physically do it myself to see how it works and to understand it. A helping hand works too. Doesn't mean that either of the learners are stupid, just that they learn and process information in different ways. Why I think the way that the school systems are structured are horribly wrong because they cater to one particular learning style and just assume that the other students will be able to follow suit. If that was the case, my mom, who's a speech pathologist and teaches Special Ed students, would be out of a job. Some people need more help than others.
SATs. Pfft. I refused to take those. I have personal reasons (due to my horrifying fear of doing the Math sections). I said "Fuck that" and went to art college instead to avoid the horrors that numbers give me. But putting a score on someone is absurd. Some people test better than others, doesn't mean they're more intelligent. Just means, like others have said before, they can memorize better. Doesn't mean that they can practically use the concepts that they memorized. Only if you memorize and put what you memorize into practice is when it matters. At least to me. You can teach me an art concept and I can understand it, but if I don't try to physically see how it's put onto paper, I'd just be a walking encyclopedia of information, but no practicality.
I graduated high school with a 3.0 due to laziness and the few times I felt like skipping school to go to NYC.... But I could've gotten at least a 3.5 or higher if I actually studied. I didn't study as hard as some people and still got good grades. Laziness got the best of me though. Gah. High school.
So intelligence to me is a mixture of both common sense, perspective/self awareness of self and others and logic. But judging people based on how well or how fast their mind works makes us all bias twits. I think I'm pretty intelligent outside of book smart now. I could hold a meaningful and thought provoking conversation than sit there and listen to someone rattle on about facts. Yawn. Boring.
I find it hilarious that some people that are so into studies can't really communicate with the general population. When trying to hold a conversation, they come off as socially awkward. Most of the people I dealt with when I switched to a tech major were like that. I can be a social butterfly and trying to have someone that doesn't move from behind their PC try to hit on me has to be one of the funniest moments in my life. Yeah, I'm not friends with him anymore for other reasons though...-shivers-
*Edit: Portal is a great game that makes you think. "If I put this portal at point A can I get to point Z in one jump?" Oh man. The thing you have to do in the game like build momentum and be fast enough to make another portal to go to the spot you are suppose to end up at. Man, game's crazy but sooooo good.
Judging anyone by grades has to be one of the dumbest ways to find out if a person is intelligent or not. There are three different types of learning styles. Those that are visual, auditory and a "kinesthetic" hands-on learner. Someone might learn and understand a concept if they just see it on the board. They can process it and understand it as such. They can look at a instruction book with NO pictures (-twitch-) and figure out how to do it. Some can just hear how it's done and be able to do it verbatimly just by hearing it. However, like me, I'm a blend of all 3 learning styles. I can read over the instructions, hear how it's done but sometimes it doesn't click. I need to physically do it myself to see how it works and to understand it. A helping hand works too. Doesn't mean that either of the learners are stupid, just that they learn and process information in different ways. Why I think the way that the school systems are structured are horribly wrong because they cater to one particular learning style and just assume that the other students will be able to follow suit. If that was the case, my mom, who's a speech pathologist and teaches Special Ed students, would be out of a job. Some people need more help than others.
SATs. Pfft. I refused to take those. I have personal reasons (due to my horrifying fear of doing the Math sections). I said "Fuck that" and went to art college instead to avoid the horrors that numbers give me. But putting a score on someone is absurd. Some people test better than others, doesn't mean they're more intelligent. Just means, like others have said before, they can memorize better. Doesn't mean that they can practically use the concepts that they memorized. Only if you memorize and put what you memorize into practice is when it matters. At least to me. You can teach me an art concept and I can understand it, but if I don't try to physically see how it's put onto paper, I'd just be a walking encyclopedia of information, but no practicality.
I graduated high school with a 3.0 due to laziness and the few times I felt like skipping school to go to NYC.... But I could've gotten at least a 3.5 or higher if I actually studied. I didn't study as hard as some people and still got good grades. Laziness got the best of me though. Gah. High school.
So intelligence to me is a mixture of both common sense, perspective/self awareness of self and others and logic. But judging people based on how well or how fast their mind works makes us all bias twits. I think I'm pretty intelligent outside of book smart now. I could hold a meaningful and thought provoking conversation than sit there and listen to someone rattle on about facts. Yawn. Boring.
I find it hilarious that some people that are so into studies can't really communicate with the general population. When trying to hold a conversation, they come off as socially awkward. Most of the people I dealt with when I switched to a tech major were like that. I can be a social butterfly and trying to have someone that doesn't move from behind their PC try to hit on me has to be one of the funniest moments in my life. Yeah, I'm not friends with him anymore for other reasons though...-shivers-
*Edit: Portal is a great game that makes you think. "If I put this portal at point A can I get to point Z in one jump?" Oh man. The thing you have to do in the game like build momentum and be fast enough to make another portal to go to the spot you are suppose to end up at. Man, game's crazy but sooooo good.
I judge it based on understanding, but in all areas. An understanding of math is just as important as an understanding of English for intelligent people (in English speaking countries); it doesn't matter how good you are at math if you can't share your knowledge with others.
Same with facts; they don't do you any good if you're an ass and have no friends to regurgitate them to.
Same with facts; they don't do you any good if you're an ass and have no friends to regurgitate them to.
As i said in the IQ thread, you can't measure intelligence based on one field, everyone has different things they consider to be important to intelligence, I may think Math is the supreme measure of intelligence, while someone may think that your intelligence is equal to the number of sentences you corrected on the SAT,
Give a clear cut definition of intelligence, only then can it be measured
Give a clear cut definition of intelligence, only then can it be measured
The grades someone gets/ got is a part of whether I'll think someone's intelligent. More importantly though I'll judge it through what they say in conversation, what their views are on things, what things they actually have views about. For me, I suppose intelligence and maturity go hand- in- hand. If there's someone who laughs at 'your mum' jokes, is doing a trade and doesn't have an opinion about America's role in the world as a supreme power.. I'm probably not going to consider them as intelligent as someone who is more into satire, an engineering degree, and thinks that America's pursuit of freedom has become an overzealous crusade.
Of course there's alot more to how I judge people than that but that's a broad description.
Of course there's alot more to how I judge people than that but that's a broad description.