Poll: What do you think when people don't care about the plot?

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Ugh, I had no idea I had so much to share in this thread! I am IMMEDIATELY reminded of my buddy who's a HUGE lamprey on CoD's nut sack; I tried to get him to settle down and play The Darkness. He got to the scene where Jackie and Jenny are sitting on the couch in her apartment and COMPLETELY lost interest!! Fuck, that was the moment that I found myself the MOST invested in the story and characters!!! I coulda killed him, but if he didn't "get it," it wasn't worth trying to explain it to him; I just gave him his toy back and let him go back to playing 'shooty-face' with his little online pals...
 

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I can appreciate a good plot in a game (some of my favourite game plots come from Second Sight, Dawn of War, Brutal Legend, Splatterhouse and Mass Effect for those who are curious) but by the same token I can sympathise with those who just want to get on with the damn game already (which is also part of the reason I was never much of a fan of Half Life, at least cutscenes have the good courtesy of being skippable).

It doesn't make them stupid, it doesn't make them feeble minded or barbarians. They just enjoy games for a different reason.

Put in other words, if they're bad then they're just as bad as the people who don't care about gameplay (yes, I'm looking at you Silent Hill fans...of which I happen to be one).
 

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I'm very annoyed by it, at least in games where the plot has a modicum of complexity.

That said, I'm resigned to the fact that many, many people out there are like this, and preaching to them about the merits of a good story in games is like shouting at a brick wall. So I don't.
 

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Xprimentyl said:
Ugh, I had no idea I had so much to share in this thread! I am IMMEDIATELY reminded of my buddy who's a HUGE lamprey on CoD's nut sack; I tried to get him to settle down and play The Darkness. He got to the scene where Jackie and Jenny are sitting on the couch in her apartment and COMPLETELY lost interest!! Fuck, that was the moment that I found myself the MOST invested in the story and characters!!! I coulda killed him, but if he didn't "get it," it wasn't worth trying to explain it to him; I just gave him his toy back and let him go back to playing 'shooty-face' with his little online pals...
I'm sorry for the double post but this highlights my final point in my previous post.

Not everyone has to enjoy games for the same reason you do, making grand arrogant statements about it shows that perhaps you need to take a step back, count to ten in your head and live and let live.

You aren't more mature because you like character driven games, you're less mature because you think online shooter enthusiests are retards.
 

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Well, that depends on the game. I don't care, generally, but when someone complains that, for example, Mass Effect 2 has too much dialogue, I can't help but wonder what the FUCK they're playing it for in the first place.
 

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Iron Mal said:
Xprimentyl said:
Ugh, I had no idea I had so much to share in this thread! I am IMMEDIATELY reminded of my buddy who's a HUGE lamprey on CoD's nut sack; I tried to get him to settle down and play The Darkness. He got to the scene where Jackie and Jenny are sitting on the couch in her apartment and COMPLETELY lost interest!! Fuck, that was the moment that I found myself the MOST invested in the story and characters!!! I coulda killed him, but if he didn't "get it," it wasn't worth trying to explain it to him; I just gave him his toy back and let him go back to playing 'shooty-face' with his little online pals...
I'm sorry for the double post but this highlights my final point in my previous post.

Not everyone has to enjoy games for the same reason you do, making grand arrogant statements about it shows that perhaps you need to take a step back, count to ten in your head and live and let live.

You aren't more mature because you like character driven games, you're less mature because you think online shooter enthusiests are retards.
Yeah, that was my point in sharing the story, my coming to terms with that very lesson; didn't claim to be "right," "more mature," and in no way was my comment "grand or arrogant;" no need to read hostility where there is none. I only use harsh criticism in the case above because that's our thing; we're best friends, but constantly harrass each other over our choices in gaming.
 

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Xprimentyl said:
Yeah, that was my point in sharing the story, my coming to terms with that very lesson; didn't claim to be "right," "more mature," and in no way was my comment "grand or arrogant;" no need to read hostility where there is none. I only use harsh criticism in the case above because that's our thing; we're best friends, but constantly harrass each other over our choices in gaming.
My appologies (I'm largely nocturnal now so being up during daylight results in me being a bit groggy) and I'm the same with some of my friends (with gratuitous use of all of the seven dirty words you can't say on TV being common among us) although I still stand by my point because a tragicly large number of people do seem to view themselves as some sort of 'master race' because their choice of game has a story they like better and the other guy's is just mindless shooting (different tastes for different people).
 

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Iron Mal said:
Xprimentyl said:
Yeah, that was my point in sharing the story, my coming to terms with that very lesson; didn't claim to be "right," "more mature," and in no way was my comment "grand or arrogant;" no need to read hostility where there is none. I only use harsh criticism in the case above because that's our thing; we're best friends, but constantly harrass each other over our choices in gaming.
My appologies (I'm largely nocturnal now so being up during daylight results in me being a bit groggy) and I'm the same with some of my friends (with gratuitous use of all of the seven dirty words you can't say on TV being common among us) although I still stand by my point because a tragicly large number of people do seem to view themselves as some sort of 'master race' because their choice of game has a story they like better and the other guy's is just mindless shooting (different tastes for different people).
S'all good. The world of videogaming is built on fanatasy; gamers' delusions of grandeur are nothing if not par for the course; it's easy to find oneself on one side or another of a war between right and wrong when ultimately such things dont exist in the realm of personal preference; I had to check myself when I found myself nearly falling into the pettiness over The Darkness. I don't fault anyone for choosing to play anything for any reason, but it's also hard to not want to share amazing experiences with others when you know they could appreciate them with a little effort!
 

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It can be frustrating when people don't want to delve into a good story. I've had it happen before in a fashion, mostly in that I can't get any of my friends to play anything but CoD. I have only one person who I know who is as much of a gamer as I am, so if nothing else that helps my rage.

Still, I don't bother with trying to convert people too often. Why? Because I think to alot of the new gamers that came along with Black Ops and co., they're of the philosophy that they have a hard time getting into things unless they're "real". War is and has been real. The way CoD depicts it is semi-real. It just seems to be easier for them to get into. Deep, thought-provoking questions of existence make no sense to a person who doesn't do much introspection or free-thinking themselves. Not to mention more and more the world seems to tell us to not think outside the box. But that's another story.

Is it annoying? Yes. Will it change?.....I think so. Remember that for a while we as gamers were pacified by the simple platformer. We all likely went through a phase when we were younger when we didn't demand big dramatic stories. We just wanted something fun. Let them play CoD, I say. Let them play sequels out of order or whatever is new and shiny. Some may do this all their gaming lives. Have pity on them, not rage, for they know not what they miss. Yet others, in time, after playing Call of Duty: Pink Ops Part 14 Nazi Clown Zombies Map Pack 14, will find that they....want more. Likely some will just stop playing entirely when they get bored, but some will want more. They'll grow out of this phase they're in now, and they'll want something real. Something better.

When they get to that point, we can be there. With Deus Ex, Portal, Catherine, all those games that WE know are great for their stories. And then we can sit back and smile as we see their minds get blown. It may take time, but hey...just gives us more time to enjoy those games. They'll come around eventually, I think. You just gotta be patient.
 

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Depends on the game really. If you played Silent hill 2 just for the combat I'd be like Wha... But with your example of dead space then each play games for different reasons and I don't really hate people because of it. I might find them less interesting but I would not harbor hatred towards them.
 

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Xprimentyl said:
Ugh, I had no idea I had so much to share in this thread! I am IMMEDIATELY reminded of my buddy who's a HUGE lamprey on CoD's nut sack; I tried to get him to settle down and play The Darkness. He got to the scene where Jackie and Jenny are sitting on the couch in her apartment and COMPLETELY lost interest!! Fuck, that was the moment that I found myself the MOST invested in the story and characters!!! I coulda killed him, but if he didn't "get it," it wasn't worth trying to explain it to him; I just gave him his toy back and let him go back to playing 'shooty-face' with his little online pals...
I'm not a fan of CoD, but I really don't mind games where there isn't a plot. They can be fun (Although saying that, I don't find CoD fun at all lol). However, it really gets me when people end up complaining about parts of games that are not all action. Those amazing and tender scenes can be one of the best parts of a game. Like someone else has mentioned before, I have also found many people complain about BioWare's games being too "talky". Thing is, I love that about their games. That is BioWare.

Kind of makes me think that the people who completely disregard the games plot and character development and get bored easily may have ADHD, or are just impatient, or something. Reminds me of my sister. She is exactly the same way. Can't sit still, gets bored easily, always has to be doing something.
 

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Like Dark Knifer says, to me it greatly depends on the game, I wouldn't blame you if you didn't care about the story in say, Street Fighter or Doom, but if you're one of those people who loudly proclaim they skip the cutscenes in Mass Effect, ignore anything GLaDOS says in Portal or even proclaim that you don't want to listen to ~any~ of the dialogue in The Old Republic, a game that is largely if not entirely banking on its story, then I do wonder why the hell you're even intending to buy the game.

That's like... hating fighting games but buying one anyway because you like the soundtrack and then complaining incessantly on forums and/or to friends that you're made to fight in the game.
 

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If a game has good story, in ANY way, you should pay attention to it. Dead Rising 2 is one of these, its story is heart wrenching, and thus should be payed attention too.

Lets Players, take note that if you skip a cut scene, YOUR DOING IT WRONG!
 

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People buy the games for their entertainment. If they're entertained just getting to the action of things, then it's fine by me. I have no reason to care what they do with their spent money.
 
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DestinyDriven said:
I don't slate, I just get annoyed if they don't care for the games before the newest and shiniest. Not if they are just new and don't realize that you need to play the other games to understand a heavy plot. You know, it's like watching (or reading) LOTR backwards. I don't say anything to people though. It's just something that bugs me.

I once made the mistake of playing AC2 first before even playing AC. I never usually do that though. And I will never do it again. It was a total spoiler and I couldn't understand what was going on properly. I couldn't get into the plot or characters properly as I was always confused. I didn't even know what the animus actually was.

So, with games that have a heavy plot, yet you don't care for the first game because it isn't brand new and shiny, yes it does annoy me.

I did it wrong, I had no idea what was going on, it was a big mistake. I now regret that because I know I would have enjoyed the series more if I played the first AC, well, first. So yes, I did do it wrong too. I should have played the other game first. Then I would have understood.

Don't twist my words.
I wasn't trying to twist your words. I just don't share your opinion that joining a series part-way through is necessarily 'doing it wrong'. Whilst there are many examples out there of (as you rightly say) plot heavy and spoiler ridden sequels out there, there are an equal number of franchises that require little or no prior knowledge in order to fully enjoy.

Look, you were obviously talking about just continuity heavy franchises, and I assumed you were talking about simply game franchises in general. Everyone has their little bugbears (mine is people who dismiss games on graphical quality alone), but with the industry chucking out sequels and reboots hand over fist it would seem your frustrations are only going to get worse as things go on.

For what it's worth, I can see where you're coming from now, but I would still suggest you maybe cut people who 'jump the queue' (so to speak) a little slack because as you yourself found out with AC2, you can't tell whether a game series uses stand-alone titles (like TES) or relies on overarching plotlines (like AC) until you've played them - by which time it's too late.
 

Vault101

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the only thing that annoys me is when people chastise others for feeling that plot is important

oh and cutscenes are fine if used WELL
 

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TheKasp said:
Harb said:
Why should I care how others want to play THEIR games as long as their attitude doesn't personally affect me?
They can do whatever they want. Ignore the plot, play upside down or with closed eyes. :)
Added to this:

In my opinion cutscenes are the second worst way of storytelling. Taking the control from the player in a game.. ARGH! I hate it.

Yes, I skiped nearly every cutscene in nearly every game I ever played. If I don't know the story of the game after actually playing it (and not watching cutscenes) then the devs failed at delivering a story at all. And just for the record: There are lots of games which deliver everything you need to know outside of cutscenes and the cutscenes are nothing more then "fluff" to show people who don't get some subtle hints.

There are devs who get the principle "do, don't show" and only take the control from the player in the end. But many are not. And too many player do not see this for what it actually is in this genre.

Edit: Also, if a sequel fails at delivering a new player a good expirience because he did not play previous parts the devs also failed.
Out of interest, what's the absolute worst way to tell a story?

Also, screw you Captcha. I will find revenge one day.