Poll: What drugs have you taken?

[Raineheart]

Alcohol, Tobacco (smoker), Marijuana, LSD, Ecstasy, Speed.
I've had DMT, which is essentially a smokeable LSD with no comedown. Really interesting.
My motto is basically "don't do anything which you snort, sniff, inject or shove up your ass."

 

[Crazy_Dude]

Some intresting drug tests on spiders.

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[WolfThomas]

Alcohol, Tobacco (smoker), Marijuana, LSD, Ecstasy, Speed.
I've had DMT, which is essentially a smokeable LSD with no comedown. Really interesting.
My motto is basically "don't do anything which you snort, sniff, inject or shove up your ass."

I've a similar motto. It's "Putting a needle in your arm severely increses your chance of sucking a dick for smack money".

Well as much as it doesn't sound impressive, the withdrawal symptoms when you eventually stop having caffeine are huge. You basically get constant shakes, sweating etc. for about a week.

I managed to kick caffeine for three months once. I really need to do it again. I had the best sleep I've ever had in life during that period. I could almost fall asleep on demand.

 

[Raineheart]

Alcohol, Tobacco (smoker), Marijuana, LSD, Ecstasy, Speed.
I've had DMT, which is essentially a smokeable LSD with no comedown. Really interesting.
My motto is basically "don't do anything which you snort, sniff, inject or shove up your ass."

Haha.
That is a fine motto. If only most idiots would hear of this before injecting substances into their body.

 

[dogenzakaminion]

I drink some times, thats about it.
Against all drugs except Marijuana in regulation, know some people in pain who uses it as medication.
Even though its illegal.

Rest I'm pretty hard on, i think drug addicts are the scum of the earth.
And by that i mean the smack addicts etc, the reason for my negativity traces back to when i was 10.
I witnessed an addict shooting up in the middle of Oslo, blood gushing down his arm.

I guess fear turned to utter despise.

I feel the exactly same way, and I know what you mean. I currently live in Oslo and you CONSTANTLY see people dealing or shooting up or just lying in the middle of the road high of their asses. It's disgusting.

I've tried cannabis once, but that was only so that when my future kids one day ask me what it's like I can give them an honest answer.

 

[thom_cat_]

Just Alcohol. I won't be having anything stronger, apart from medicines.

 

[s0denone]

Smoking marjiuana is less harmful to you then smoking a cigarette. You should be fine.

From what I can gather from the Medical studies marijuana is roughly the same as tobbacco as a cause of lung cancer.

Absolutely wrong.
I mean, I just did a google test on "marijuana compared to cigarettes" and the second link was this: Link [http://patients4medicalmarijuana.wordpress.com/marijuana-info/marijuana-vs-cigarettes/].
Read it, please.

If you want me to dig up studies(from website not stricly for marijuana) that disapprove your above claim, I will. I will require of you, however, to provide me with your source(s) first.

The second important thing being that Marijuana is often cut with tobbacco, as well as the fact that a majority of people smoke both. This is a confounding factor that makes it hard to do any isolated studies on.

Whoops, I guess you posted in the wrong forum, here.
Or did you mean to put this in relation to your first point, instead of a stand-alone argument?
Marijuana cut with tobacco isn't marijuana, it's marijuana cut with tobacco.

Also, Marijuana can be smoken without ever inhaling the smoke via a vaporizer [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporizer_%28cannabis%29]... Effectively removing the smoke/lung/whatever risk.

I do it everynow and again. I just don't think we should be walking around thinking it's safe. Though what is these days?

I'll be honest here. I don't think there are any real negative effects of marijuana when you use a vaporizer. I could be wrong, but unless you have an underlying mental condition, I think you will be entirely safe.

 

[Abengoshis]

You guys wanna fuck up your bodies? Have fun, go nuts.

This, and this:

Where's the 'None' option? :v

There should be a none/caffiene/paracetemol option if you want more results.

 

[thylasos]

Caffeine, Paracetamol, Cocodamol, Alcohol, Tobacco, Weed, and Magic Mushrooms, when they were legal.

 

[WolfThomas]

SNIP

Firstly, you googled a random study...

Have you heard of Ovid Medline or the Cochrane collaboration? Because that's where I'm looking for info, proper organisations set up for collecting information from studies from all over the world and on all medical topics. I tried to look at systematic reviews and failing that worked my way down the chain of study importance. I also applied what I knew from three years of studying Medicine (on my fourth now), most importantly what I learnt in epidemiology.

I said roughly as bad, simply because we do not have enough data. The best I could probably scrap up from these vast vaults of knowledges is something about 40 tumours versus 35 tumours in rats or the fact it's 4 times more likely to give Tunisian men lung cancer. There's a reason why that sounds like crap information. That leads into the other points I made.

Tobbacco is what we call a confounding factor. We know it causes lung cancer, so any study on Marijuana is made useless when the subjects either mix it with Marijuana or reguarly smoke tobbacco as well. We cannot draw useful results from that. Until we have a study drawn from tens of thousands of people taking Marijuana but not tobbacco reguarly being recorded we can quantitantively determine the exact risk of Marijuana.

We know it's harmful, we just don't know how much. Though arguably there's so many more dangerous things in society that are legal (driving, alcohol, smoking, fast food). I'm for legalizing, not underestimating.

Now on the nebulizer, it's probably a lot safer, again there isn't enough data.

 

[kebab4you]

None, since I find it a waste off money and most off the time is illegal.

 

[s0denone]

Firstly, you googled a random study...

Have you heard of Ovid Medline or the Cochrane collaboration? Because that's where I'm looking for info, proper organisations set up for collecting information from studies from all over the world and on all medical topics. I tried to look at systematic reviews and failing that worked my way down the chain of study importance. I also applied what I knew from three years of studying Medicine (on my fourth now), most importantly what I learnt in epidemiology.

I said roughly as bad, simply because we do not have enough data. The best I could probably scrap up from these vast vaults of knowledges is something about 40 tumours versus 35 tumours in rats or the fact it's 4 times more likely to give Tunisian men lung cancer. There's a reason why that sounds like crap information. That leads into the other points I made.

Tobbacco is what we call a confounding factor. We know it causes lung cancer, so any study on Marijuana is made useless when the subjects either mix it with Marijuana or reguarly smoke tobbacco as well. We cannot draw useful results from that. Until we have a study drawn from tens of thousands of people taking Marijuana but not tobbacco reguarly being recorded we can quantitantively determine the exact risk of Marijuana.

We know it's harmful, we just don't know how much. Though arguably there's so many more dangerous things in society that are legal (driving, alcohol, smoking, fast food). I'm for legalizing, not underestimating.

Now on the nebulizer, it's probably a lot safer, again there isn't enough data.

You were talking about lung cancer specifically.
I would like you to cite some kind of source, then.

I'm all with you on the "We know it's harmful, but not how much" - but saying it causes as much lung cancer as cigarettes seems a little far-fetched to me.
You do not inhale the smoke in the same way, as when you smoke a cigarette.
Smoking a cigarette, you inhale all the carbon monoxide, tar, etc.
You do not do so when smoking marijuana.
With marijuana, you also cough up all the bad stuff. The opposite goes for cigarettes.

And a nebulizer would effectively eliminate the cause of lung cancer(the smoke), wouldn't it?

 

[WolfThomas]

You were talking about lung cancer specifically.
I would like you to cite some kind of source, then.

Well off the top of my head heres the one about Tunisia. I hope it works because the version I was reading needed a login.

http://journals.lww.com/jto/Fulltext/2006/07000/Risk_of_Lung_Cancer_and_Past_Use_of_Cannabis_in.13.aspx

If I find another good one I'll add it.

Edit: Another good review on adverse effects, mentions the mice, slightly less tumours on those exposed to marijuana but tumours none the less.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com.ezproxy.lib.monash.edu.au/doi/10.1111/j.1749-6632.1981.tb12799.x/pdf

One on lung cancer in young adults comparing young adults who smoke green marijuana to those who smoke tobbacco, relatively short and sweet this probably the most important one.
http://erj.ersjournals.com.ezproxy.lib.monash.edu.au/content/31/2/280.abstract?ijkey=cc9178eb7bca5e87e2929eb9dfa518a28ee5e767&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha

And a nebulizer would effectively eliminate the cause of lung cancer(the smoke), wouldn't it?

Yes but it's hardly widespread in any manner. My initial comments were concerning someone wanting to smoke Marijuana. Once we get to nebulization we might as well compare it to nebulizing tobacco, of course it will be safer to quite a degree.

 

[s0denone]

You were talking about lung cancer specifically.
I would like you to cite some kind of source, then.

Well off the top of my head heres the one about Tunisia. I hope it works because the version I was reading needed a login.

http://journals.lww.com/jto/Fulltext/2006/07000/Risk_of_Lung_Cancer_and_Past_Use_of_Cannabis_in.13.aspx

If I find another good one I'll add it.

80% of the cases reported "Never" having used cannabis.
20% of the cases reported to have used cannabis in the past.
Of the cases 5% had never smoked tobacco.

As you stated yourself: Studies such as these are effectively unusable as the cases have smoked both tobacco and marijuana.

Furthermore, the studies notes that:"[...]cannabis cigarettes are usually composed of a mixture of tobacco and cannabis, and the strong effects of cannabis consumption might in part be explained by exposure to the high levels of tar that are usually found in Tunisian tobacco[...]"

Find me a study that is about the smoking of pure cannabis, and not tobacco-cut, and you will make me ponder

As you say, though, that is nigh-impossible.

The study even comes to the conclusion itself: "Larger studies that include subjects who smoked cannabis cigarettes without tobacco and pooled analysis of published data are needed to evaluate the association between use of cannabis and lung cancer."

It is effectively unusable in determining anything about cannabis and its relation to lung cancer.

So, and I'm sorry for being so blunt: Your source is completely unusable.

I thought at first you were speaking out of pure ignorance, but to have a medical-student say "From what I can gather from medical studies marijuana is roughly the same as tobbacco as a cause of lung cancer." and then find that they base it on an entirely unusable source? That's not very comforting.

Sorry if I'm being harsh here, but I'm sure you can take it

EDIT: I cannot view your Monash sources, as they require login.

 

[WolfThomas]

I thought at first you were speaking out of pure ignorance, but to have a medical-student say "From what I can gather from medical studies marijuana is roughly the same as tobbacco as a cause of lung cancer." and then find that they base it on an entirely unusable source? That's not very comforting.

Sorry if I'm being harsh here, but I'm sure you can take it

EDIT: I cannot view your Monash sources, as they require login.

Bearing in mind it's a sobering up Medical student on holiday at 3am...

It's fine I like a good discussion. Crap bear with me I found a new zealand article on pure green marijuana.

 

[Shoggoth2588]

The poll is unnecessary but then again, so are drugs. I appreciate the joke now that I get it xD

Anyway, I've tried alcohol enough to know I don't like it. I've used anti-biotic meds, had different vaccines, ibuprofen and, Tylenol. There are many who would argue that caffeine is a drug so I'll put that down as well. I'm sure there are other medications I've taken as well and, when I had to get my head stapled (screw stitches) they had to anesthetize me. Not sure what they used though.

I haven't taken any recreational drugs though. I have no interest and even if I did, I decided long ago that gaming is more important to me. I can't afford to be an addict and an Achievement Hunter (I can barely afford the latter)

I don't begrudge people their right to take whatever they want/need to feel good or escape or whatever. It's your body, not my business.

 

[s0denone]

Bearing in mind it's a sobering up Medical student on holiday at 3am...

It's fine I like a good discussion. Crap bear with me I found a new zealand article on pure green marijuana.

Haha that is quite alright.
5pm here in Denmark, though, so I couldn't have known

Can you link? I'm very interested in reading. Hopefully it isn't more of your Monash-whateverness!

 

[Johnny Reb]

POT SMOKERS UNITE!

 

[CrashBang]

Alcohol, tobacco and marijuana. I've never taken any illegal drugs except weed

 

[WolfThomas]

Bearing in mind it's a sobering up Medical student on holiday at 3am...

It's fine I like a good discussion. Crap bear with me I found a new zealand article on pure green marijuana.

Haha that is quite alright.
5pm here in Denmark, though, so I couldn't have known

Can you link? I'm very interested in reading. Hopefully it isn't more of your Monash-whateverness!

Here you are, it's quite interesting should hopefully work, I should have waited till I found it instead of looking quite the fool.
http://erj.ersjournals.com/content/31/2/280.full
Thank you for the discussion, I think I'll bow out and got to sleep. I entered the discussion too arrogantly and even if I turn out to be correct, the moral of this story is to be correct with good sources.