Poll: What is everyone's problem with XIII?

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EeveeElectro

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I liked it, although it was frustrating at times, like having to fight a boss, walking a bit, then finding that the boss is now a normal enemy with the same HP. Whaaaat?!
I liked the characters (maybe not so much Hope... >_<) although I think the story was lacking a little bit. They couldn't make it as open as the old games because of the cost, I would have settled with downgraded graphics for a bigger world.
I don't understand why I saw threads asking for advice when playing FFXIII and smart arses kept coming into the thread with smarmy comments.
I understand it's not everyone's cup of tea, but there's no need to obsess over showing your hate for it.
 

Asdalan08

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Its basically a linear stroll through the first 10 or so chapters and then your just plomped onto a wide landscape with no idea what to do... OH WAIT, Final Fantasy has taken the GTA approach and just plomped a glowing marker telling you where to go, theres no flyable airships, I only found chocobo's existed because I made myself do the missions that prove to be extremely tedious... Theres no towns full of random NPC's and basically no human contact. The weapon upgrade system is crappy, it's not like in any of the other recent(ish) games where each character is actually given an ultimate weapon in a unique way, sometimes related to the character like in FFIX where Zidanes ultimate weapon is in the space of ocean where Terra used to be and Quina's is by doing the mini-game that involves him/her/it. The characters don't really develop all that much and the only thing that makes it bearable is the occasional well-timed lined from Sazh, oh and Vanille is just... GRRR! The normal battles can be over in seconds and the boss fights can take hours of changing between buffing, healing and attacking and then spamming Auto-Heal/Chain/Attack untill you change again. And if you fuck up then your sent all the way back to the start and have to spend another 40 minuites taking away 1/2 of the bosses health. I don't care much for the high-quality graphics and think they could have made it FFVIII graphics and then spent the excess money on the story department to make it gripping. The leveling system is like the sphere grid except linear with the occasional branch if you want an extra HP+20 or Faultsiphon. Overall its extremely linear and although I'm determined to like it, it has little to offer apart from being able to decorate your PS3 with a Sazh Theme. If I was a critic I would probably give it 3/5.

I think the problem most people have with it is that it doesn't stack up with the other good Final Fantasies (I, II, IV, V, VI, VIII, IX and X) and so constantly compare them, like me! If it was to remove the first two words in it's title... not the Fabula Nova Crysalis or whatever, since that makes about as much sense as releasing all 4 Shrek movies at once and expecting people to like them all, if it was called XIII, or a less confusing 'Long Path through Coccoon (and then a long few hours through Pulse) XIII' then I might not have as much as a problem with it... Ever since Enix got into the picture its been downhill.
 

Bobipine

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I tried to play it, then I got a gameover due to dumb luck (I'm at full health, somewhat beginning, I was in the ice/crystal area, 3 random enemies attack lightning at the same time, gameover.....) and never tried again. Sure, I still "played" the game by just watching my friend playing, only difference I didn't spent my time pressing A/X. Oh, and since I don't know anyone who finished it? Please tell me Vanille die or something....

I also thought about the FPS game XIII at first.
 

D_987

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EmileeElectro said:
I don't understand why I saw threads asking for advice when playing FFXIII and smart arses kept coming into the thread with smarmy comments.
I understand it's not everyone's cup of tea, but there's no need to obsess over showing your hate for it.
I played the game for over 100 hours. I was extremely hyped for the game. Just because I don't like the game doesn't mean I can't express / discuss my opinion of it with other people; this game is an interesting case because it took so long, because it was such a big budget title trying to appeal to multiple regions and because it turned out so bad...

Note: I'm taking the comments you make in the above quote as an attack against myself for posting so frequently in this thread.
 

BENZOOKA

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I dislike the whole FF series. I can't stand it at all. I really don't like any of it.
 

D_987

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Bobipine said:
Oh, and since I don't know anyone who finished it? Please tell me Vanille die or something....
She doesn't die, but she does get crystallized eternally [or it would appear so] so it's close enough...
 

Wicky_42

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The Rockerfly said:
do you mean this game?




I haven't met anyone who had a problem with it, it was a great game
It was, wasn't it? I forgot just how varied it was, then just started thinking and came up with half a dozen completely different mental images of levels, from giant subs to garden mazes to underground dungeons, military bases, a bank... geeze, that game was HUGE! Puts CoD to shame...
 

Nexus424

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That battle system...I really just can't stand that battle system and that's bad because that's the entire game right there.
 

Kuriko

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I really, really enjoy Final Fantasy XIII.

I honestly don't see what everyone's problem is.

Yeah it's a bit linear, but it gets so much better when you get to Gran Pulse and there's a crap load of stuff for you to do.

Oh, and the battle system, mmm, so quick it actually requires some intelligence to beat stuff.

Example: No matter how far you are on the Crystarium, some mobs actually take a proper strategy to kill.

Some people will think differently, and well I'll let them, but this is just my opinion. xP
 

That's Funny

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I am one of those people who think FF VII is over-rated, but let me explain why I disliked XIII as a whole, it's because I felt it was a huge step backwards from what had come before, now don't get me wrong XII's combat wasn't perfect, but I could kinda see what Square were trying to do with the franchise by updating it, that is something I can admire. The main problem with XIII's combat was that it was just dull, it wasn't fast paced nor did it give you a proper sense of control over your party (something I like from JRPGs), this to me was a huge misstep, that and the fact that you can survive most battles repeatedy tapping one button over and over again.

I still think VI (or III if you are American) is the best FF game to date, I do hope that the franchise can redeem itself after this backfire, but after the way XIV went, that won't happen any time soon.

Edited to fit with the times.
 

EeveeElectro

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D_987 said:
EmileeElectro said:
I don't understand why I saw threads asking for advice when playing FFXIII and smart arses kept coming into the thread with smarmy comments.
I understand it's not everyone's cup of tea, but there's no need to obsess over showing your hate for it.
I played the game for over 100 hours. I was extremely hyped for the game. Just because I don't like the game doesn't mean I can't express / discuss my opinion of it with other people; this game is an interesting case because it took so long, because it was such a big budget title trying to appeal to multiple regions and because it turned out so bad...

Note: I'm taking the comments you make in the above quote as an attack against myself for posting so frequently in this thread.
Of course I don't mind people's opinions on it, but I remember a couple of people taking every opportunity to trash talk the game. Like, any mention of the game and they'd be straight in, insulting it. I don't see the need in repeating your opinion, but that's just me. I'm sure they must have been searching for threads to ***** on at one point.

Also, were you grinding a lot? I finished the game in about 50 hours I think. I wanted to grind, but the normal enemies were so hard. o__O
 

Jason Danger Keyes

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I found most of the characters and gameplay annoying, but the thing that really tipped the boat for me was Vanille. Never have I seen such a loathesome creature, every sinle thing that came out of her mouth was complete shit. I hated her with every fibre of my being, but all the other characters loved her, and I even saw her described as 'endearing' once.

Long story short, the game was boring, but I had to stop playing because Vanille is the worst character ever.
 

Psychemaster

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Kuriko said:
Oh, and the battle system, mmm, so quick it actually requires some intelligence to beat stuff.

Example: No matter how far you are on the Crystarium, some mobs actually take a proper strategy to kill.
I suppose that's part of the problem - the battle system of FFXIII was specifically designed to allow Squeenix to make combat more difficult (that's why you heal after fights), and yet in the vast majority of cases that effort is completely nullified by Auto-Battle.

I mean, sure, you can manually stack commands (and if you run the slow ATB gauge you'll have plenty of time to do so) but, as someone stated earlier, mashing Auto-Battle will win the fight with an acceptable rank about 90% of the time.

Having said that, I do still enjoy battles - once you break into the endgame and experience the fights that actually do require a little strategy, being able to consistently get it right pays off for me.

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Stormpigeon

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FF 13 was for me the single greatest let-down in gaming ever.
What made 7, 8, 9 and 10 great? Decent plot, by and large-great music-easy to grasp combat mechanics. But what drives them all is their story-the characters, their development, a bit of humour every now and then and all wrapped in gameplay that is addictive, reasonably simple and fun.

13 lacks all of these. Can't fault it for looking good, but it feels like that's the only thing they were going for. The writing is TERRIBLE. Beyond description. All the characters are boring and one-dimensional except Sazh, who is under-used, but suffers the problem of having to remind the player at regular intervals that 'Pulse L'cie' are enemies of cocoon. To the point where it should be/is his catchphrase. Vanille is the most annoying person on the planet. Hope is the second. Fang is pointless. Lightning is boring. Snow is a moron. And now that they've moved away from text blocks for speech and can no longer express emotions with "!", ALL the characters make ridiculously over-loud gasping noises to express EVERY emotion, to the extent that if you closed your eyes over certain sections you'd think you were watching porn.

On top of that, the story makes no god-damned sense. What the hell is cocoon? What's a fal-cie? Why should we care? The idea of 'slow-release-of-information' means that for hours into the game you have no real idea whats happening, and the "why should I care" is never answered. I never cared. I was almost always bored.

Other criticisms-since you can customise your weapons and make them ridiculously powerful, theres literally no point ever changing weapon. You get so many attacks in a round it's hard to see how much damage you're actually doing. The crystarium is the sphere grid without the freedom, and it pointlessly makes up words like "Crystogenesis" to explain the process by which you advance along the grid. As if ANYONE CARES!! ITS A LEVEL-UP MECHANIC!. No side quests, except that stupid massive endless plain where you can hunt, like it literally says "welcome to token side-quest area. Enjoy". Not being able to control your party was a terrible idea, because they're stupid. For the first paradigm shift PER BATTLE making everyone do a silly little pose WITHOUT PAUSING THE ENEMY. Making it so that if the character you control dies, you lose-who is usually the first person the enemy all attack at once, since they're in the front.

Put short, I would never have bought the game if I'd known how bad it was. I would never have bought the game if it wasn't Final Fantasy, the latest in a line of what have largely been fantastic games, and the biggest gap between the great game I expected and the sheer pile of crap one I got. I sold it without finishing it. I do not care how it ends, and that is the greatest failure a story-driven game can have.

Worst game EVER.
 

Kuriko

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EmileeElectro said:
Also, were you grinding a lot? I finished the game in about 50 hours I think. I wanted to grind, but the normal enemies were so hard. o__O
I didn't really need to grind a lot to be honest. Not until I got to Eden. Was at about 60 hours or so when I [after a long time without an xbox] completed it.

And does anyone else notice that the bosses are mostly really easy yet the normal mobs are so hard? @__@ I'd shred some of the bosses yet I'd get stomped on by a Behemoth King or something.

Psychemaster said:
I suppose that's part of the problem - the battle system of FFXIII was specifically designed to allow Squeenix to make combat more difficult (that's why you heal after fights), and yet in the vast majority of cases that effort is completely nullified by Auto-Battle.

I mean, sure, you can manually stack commands (and if you run the slow ATB gauge you'll have plenty of time to do so) but, as someone stated earlier, mashing Auto-Battle will win the fight with an acceptable rank about 90% of the time.

Having said that, I do still enjoy battles - once you break into the endgame and experience the fights that actually do require a little strategy, being able to consistently get it right pays off for me.

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Yeah, especially when you get to Attacus and he kicks your ass unless you actually think through a decent strategy.