Poll: What is your opinion of "Retake Mass Effect 3" and/or "Hold the Line"

[Atmos Duality]

The third one. I'm not of the opinion that they're "entitled crybabies", but only because the concept of "entitlement" as it's being thrown around these topics as a negative is nonsense. But Crybabies, yes. I loved the series as well, and yeah, I hate the ending too. So what? A game disapointed you, it happens. Shut the hell up and move on. Post some bad reviews, maybe don't buy the next one.

Pretty much that, but I'll add that the bullshit stemming from the ME3 debacle doesn't end there.

There's been entirely too many people wielding the word "entitlement" like a catch-all cudgel; to the point where the growing stigma of the word carries more weight than it's actual meaning.

There are people misusing and establishing arbitrary, bullshit definitions for the word "art" so they can wield "artistic integrity" from atop their Pearl-White High Horse. I saw someone attempt to wield it objectively without explaining how s/he arrived at such a definition.
The one defense provided for it?
"Because art would become meaningless if we don't stick to this definition. Ergo, ME3 is not art."
In other words "Because I say so."

And of course, no controversy would be complete without the deluge of trolls constantly making ME3 topics for no other reason than to make them. Anything to "win at teh internetz", right?

Really: There's all of these obnoxious topics, movements, and pseudo-intellectual wankery over what is essentially a letdown in a game series...good fucking grief.

 

[anthony87]

They're bitchy little cry babies. Any valid points they might have constantly gets drowned out by their arrogance.

I've yet to see any arrogance. Got an example or two?

 

[tacotrainwreck]

It's funny to me. Often, you can't get people to stand against atrocities happening in their own backyard, but if they hate the ending to a video game? It's time to take to the streets!

That's because EA doesn't have the power to gun you down if you don't like their direction.

Wow, my condolences to you for wherever it is you live, man. Even North Korea just sends you to the Gulag.

 

[Iwata]

At first I was all for it and more power to them. Then they crossed "the line" and became the poster boys for gamers often-debated sense of entitlement. As of now, I just want this to be done and over with so we can stop hearing about it and move on.

 

[Zen Toombs]

Where's the "Rightfully angry customers that should be voicing their dissatisfaction, but some have taken it too far or are not expressing their feelings in the appropriate/acceptable way" option?

It's funny to me. Often, you can't get people to stand against atrocities happening in their own backyard, but if they hate the ending to a video game? It's time to take to the streets!

That's because EA doesn't have the power to gun you down if you don't like their direction.

Wow, my condolences to you for wherever it is you live, man. Even North Korea just sends you to the Gulag.

Wow, they've got a gulag now? They're moving up in the world.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

I just think everybody involved needs some cupcakes.

Wait, you're telling me they've already got cupcakes. Well fuck, who'da thought. How about hugs. People still like hugs right? And blow jobs?

Yes Dave I guess that second one is going too far.

No I don't want you anywhere near my pants Dave. Blow Job day is Thursday Dave, and you'd better remember that. Make sure to bring the wig.

*sigh* It's so hard finding good help these days.

 

[Kahunaburger]

They're right about the ending, but I feel that all that effort would be better spent on activism that actually matters and/or playing RPGs from better developers.

 

[NathLines]

I think they're right to be mad about it, but show it in the wrong way. You don't go around saying "Oh, sure. I'll buy the ending, that's totally ok". Right, that's a good standard for the gaming industry. Sell the ending separately. Fuck no. I'm not going to even talk about changing the ending. Changing the ending of a story "'cause it sucked"? Good god.

If you were dissatisfied with the product, tell them to give your fucking money back. Don't throw more at them.

 

[Squidbulb]

It's silly. I thought the whole "Operation Rainfall" thing was a bit stupid at first but this is just a whole new level of idiocy.

 

[malestrithe]

They are sore winners.

The moment to stop complaining about something is when you win the argument. Retake ME3 won the argument when Bioware and EA announced the post ending DLC. That is when they should stop complaining about it and find something else. Instead, the Retake ME3 crowd went after people that disagreed with them, in a vain attempt to quash all dissenting voices. They did it to any relatively known Internet personality, like Moviebob, JimSterling for a time, even the Spoony one.

Sure the people who lost the debate can still complain about it. That makes them look petty and infantile, but it does not matter. My side of the issue lost when EA said they will flesh it out. When that happened, I bitched about it, but I moved on. Retake ME3 showed its age and complained more.

Although I do love some of the tactics I've seen in the last month, especially the one where ME3 is not art and therefore can be changed whenever the designers want it to. I like it for 2 reasons: 1) The argument is not universal. I bet the same people arguing about the ending would be the first to tell me that it's somehow different when Lucas did the same thing to Star Wars. and 2) Their definition of Art is so rigidly defined that it not only excludes video games, but also live performances, recordings, movies, comic books and graphic novels, manga, and pretty much anything that was popular. I guess they needed to do it so their argument could work, even though by any dictionary definition of Art, video games could fit.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

I still go with the second option. A relatively very few people have taken it too far.

mostly this, it's just unfortunate the few people somehow turn into massive amounts of people which turns into constant turmoil after gossip/people whining about the whiners...honestly most of the posts and guidelines about how they want to do it are pretty civil/good (although the billboard thing is pretty silly i think.)

honestly EAware did the perfect move here for them personally, the extended cut is probably the cheapest thing they've ever made, which is why it's for free, not to mention they aren't releasing it for months, so they hope the swelling drops down by then, it's a major cop out for them to say "HERE! we are listening! your getting this!" and then anyone even remotely on EA's side in this can also say "SEE. YOU CRYBABIES ARE GETTING WHAT YOU WANT. NOW SHUT UP." when in all, the turd is still a turd, no matter how many hats you put on it or how much you polish it.

granted, i am going to wait and see, as i could be wrong about this...but with how the "Q&A" section is worded, and how they really don't seem to be "listening" because if they were, they wouldn't have answered the Q&A in such a form, i am very skeptical and am pretty much done with EAware.

 

[JPArbiter]

Really, if this minorty fan segment had just done what they should have and gone "wow, that ending sucks." and moved on we all would have been better for it.

BTW has anyone else found the ME3 Ending much more satisfying if you did not become space jesus in ME 1 or 2? I found that by letting Wrex Die, Selling Legion off, banging Liara, then Thane, then Samantha, Killing the Geth, Jack getting caught, and Choosing Morinth only for her to become a banshee I found the game MUCH MORE SATISFYING. it felt like a Battlesatr Galactica Universe instead of Star Trek.

 

[Phlakes]

I still say there's nothing to retake, and trying to retake something is crossing the line. People are free to voice their opinions, but making demands and using charity as a front for personal motives is just childish.

 

[ralfy]

I try to take note of what they say for the opposite reason.

What does that mean?

I take note of what they say because they don't contribute to "brain damage".

 

[ralfy]

I just think some people have taken ME too seriously. FFS it's a game series that got a crappy end. Boo-fucking-hoo.

Such a view is understandable for non-gamers.

 

[ralfy]

It's funny to me. Often, you can't get people to stand against atrocities happening in their own backyard, but if they hate the ending to a video game? It's time to take to the streets!

It's funny to me. Often, you can't get people to stand against atrocities happening in their own backyard, but if they hate the ending to a video game? It's time to take to the streets!

It's not exactly the same as "taking to the streets," but the argument actually works against itself, as one will eventually find some "atrocity" that's even worse than what one should notice. Eventually, one ends up not complaining about anything because there will always be something else to complain about.

 

[ralfy]

Right up till they continued attacking BioWare after they announced the Extended Cut I was at least somewhat sympathetic towards them.

This is no longer the case.

Sorry but if you're going to spew bile and vitriol at company whose is taking time out of their planned DLC production schedule to produce something free to help address your concerns because it isn't exactly what you personally wanted them to do - you deserve all the flak that comes your way.

Actually, the problem isn't that the ending wasn't what gamers wanted. It's that C&Cs made throughout the game didn't significantly affect the ending. Those who play RPGs and adventure games involving C&Cs are very aware of this.

Unfortunately, a DLC consisting of cut scenes will not solve this problem, and a DLC that will cannot be offered for free.

 

[ralfy]

At first I was all for it and more power to them. Then they crossed "the line" and became the poster boys for gamers often-debated sense of entitlement. As of now, I just want this to be done and over with so we can stop hearing about it and move on.

Entitlement and crossing the line has nothing to do with this issue. The problem is that C&Cs made throughout the game did not significantly affect the ending, and this is a major flaw for adventure games with RPG elements.