Poll: What is your opinion of "Retake Mass Effect 3" and/or "Hold the Line"

[crimsonshrouds]

Idiots who don't realize the only proper way to go about it was to hit biowares pocket book but no they just keep asking for a "happy ending."

Guys, companies only listen when their pocket books are hit not the sighning of petitions.

 

[Bobic]

They're bitchy little cry babies. Any valid points they might have constantly gets drowned out by their arrogance.

I've yet to see any arrogance. Got an example or two?

The whole argument that Bioware "owes" them a better ending. You cant swing a dead cat on the Bioware Social Network (Most of them being proud card-carrying members of the Retake thing) without seeing it.

I hated the ending to Matrix 3, and all of Transformers 2, but I didn't demand they change their movies, and I certainly didn't try to file an FTC complaint about them.

While I do think people took things too far (FTC complaint is baffling, donating to a random chairty is daft but productive, sending them cupcakes of 3 different colours is quite hilarious though), the fact that you didn't do a thing doesn't mean that was the best course of action. Would it really have been a bad thing if fan outrage got us an ending to the Matrix series that lived up to the first film? Or if it caused Michael Bay to go back in time and straight up not make a transformers 2? I mean, if you payed good money for a thing are you not entitled to some level of standards? Sure, personal taste factors in, but if this many people are mad something definitely went wrong. I just don't see what's so bad about asking for something that's better than bad.

Of course, there are still problems, like people not sharing the same view of what a good ending would be etc., but asking that what was bought for £40 is worth £40 seems like a good precedent to set. For example, you can be damned sure that Bioware are going to try their damnedest to give Dragon Age 3 a decent ending after all this.

 

[Krantos]

ME3's ending was horrible. However, the Retake movement is WAAAY overboard. Seriously, my eyes rolled right out of my skull when I heard they actually filed an FTC report on it.

Really?

REALLY?? That's overkill, mate.

Pretty much the only reason I have any sympathy for the movement anymore is because of how this whole thing brought out the worst in the gaming news media. Who would have guessed that people who make their money on gamers reading/watching their material would be childish and short sided enough to insult, deride, and marginalize those same gamers.

Really this whole thing has just been a travesty. The only thing the Retakers have going for them is they have a legitimate complaint (even though they blew it out of proportion). The Industry/Gaming Media don't.

 

[The Wykydtron]

Really I got tired of this stuff like three weeks ago... It's still ongoing? Really? Oh fuck off!

I couldn't care less about the Retake movement cuz let's be honest, if you take two seconds to step back and look at it as a whole it makes no sense whatsoever. It's a less than satisfactory ending, deal with it.

I hate how they're basically using charity to make themeselves look like White Knights of Justice. 'S fucking dirty tactics at its finest there folks.

Though Marauder Shields was by far the best thing to come out of this debacle.

 

[Vault101]

Im going to have to put on my fan hat and agree with it all

 

[Durgiun]

I just think some people have taken ME too seriously. FFS it's a game series that got a crappy end. Boo-fucking-hoo.

Such a view is understandable for non-gamers.

YOu calling me a non-gamer?

 

[Clive Howlitzer]

I understand where they are coming from and I support them, at least, the sensible people in it. However there are a lot of crazy hardcore people going too far and acting like idiots and just quoting stuff from the movement, which gives them all a bad name.
In the end though, I stopped caring about Bioware way before this, and I didn't buy Mass Effect 3(It was given to me) and I won't buy any other Bioware/EA titles either, so its a moot point for me.
More power to them though.

 

[TWEWYFan]

After thinking about this for a while, I think I'm in the "taken too far camp." Yes Bioware botched the ending and they botched it badly, and its especially hard to see this happen to a franchise fans have put so much thought and time into. Fans are well within their rights to criticize these endings and let their disatisfaction be known to Bioware so hopefully it won't happen again. Heck, I'm even going to say it's all right to ask Bioware to change the ending, just so long as one does so in a reasonable manner. All that being said, I think some fans taken this too far in their attempt to take Bioware task and that this thing has become a bit too large for its own good.

 

[Bobic]

They're bitchy little cry babies. Any valid points they might have constantly gets drowned out by their arrogance.

I've yet to see any arrogance. Got an example or two?

The whole argument that Bioware "owes" them a better ending. You cant swing a dead cat on the Bioware Social Network (Most of them being proud card-carrying members of the Retake thing) without seeing it.

I hated the ending to Matrix 3, and all of Transformers 2, but I didn't demand they change their movies, and I certainly didn't try to file an FTC complaint about them.

While I do think people took things too far (FTC complaint is baffling, donating to a random chairty is daft but productive, sending them cupcakes of 3 different colours is quite hilarious though), the fact that you didn't do a thing doesn't mean that was the best course of action. Would it really have been a bad thing if fan outrage got us an ending to the Matrix series that lived up to the first film? Or if it caused Michael Bay to go back in time and straight up not make a transformers 2? I mean, if you payed good money for a thing are you not entitled to some level of standards? Sure, personal taste factors in, but if this many people are mad something definitely went wrong. I just don't see what's so bad about asking for something that's better than bad.

Of course, there are still problems, like people not sharing the same view of what a good ending would be etc., but asking that what was bought for £40 is worth £40 seems like a good precedent to set. For example, you can be damned sure that Bioware are going to try their damnedest to give Dragon Age 3 a decent ending after all this.

That's the thing though: Yeah I would like a better ending to the Matrix or just no more Bayformers movies, ever. But the Wachowskis like what they did. I have to assume Michael Bay is on some level satisfied with his work on Transformers. They don't owe me anything.

The truth of it is I'm not entitled to any level of standard. None of us are. When you buy a product or a movie ticket, your rolling the dice and hoping you'll be satisfied with your purchase. If you are, great! You had a good time and may buy more from those people in the future.
If you're unsatisfied that's a shame. You move on, remembering that experience and will probably be more careful the next time you consider buying a product from them.

The only thing you're entitled to is a functioning product, which Mass Effect 3 was.

Is there a good reason why people shouldn't be entitled to a satisfying product? It is the way it is because a dlc system was never in place. Fallout 3 improved its ending with dlc, people were quite happy with that.

 

[Iwata]

At first I was all for it and more power to them. Then they crossed "the line" and became the poster boys for gamers often-debated sense of entitlement. As of now, I just want this to be done and over with so we can stop hearing about it and move on.

(...)The problem is that C&Cs made throughout the game did not significantly affect the ending, and this is a major flaw for adventure games with RPG elements.

Oh, I agree!

Does it justify the mass hysterical overreaction that followed, though? Absolutely not!

Edit: And this whole appaling "yeah, they're fixing it, but it's not what we wanted anyway" crap is just adding insult to injury.

 

[Bobic]

I just think some people have taken ME too seriously. FFS it's a game series that got a crappy end. Boo-fucking-hoo.

Such a view is understandable for non-gamers.

Or you know reasonable level headed people, something the people of the retake mass effect movement are not.

Is there a good reason why people shouldn't be entitled to a satisfying product? It is the way it is because a dlc system was never in place. Fallout 3 improved its ending with dlc, people were quite happy with that.

No you are not entitled to a satisfying product. That was never part of the agreement when you purchased the product. Can you honestly give me a single good reason why people should be entitled to a satisfying product? I will give you a hint there isnt one.

I'm sorry, but what agreement? I didn't sign a contract last time I bought a game. And how is paying £40 for a product not a good reason for it to be satisfying?

 

[Zenn3k]

Butthurt, entitled crybabies who hopefully will not breed and lower the IQ average of the world anymore than its already been diluted.

The real reason why, is because the ending of ME3 was DESIGNED to be confusing, DESIGNED to not make sense. Crying about it is on par with crying about any twist in any situation in storytelling EVER.

Indoctrination Theory is the actual answer, but the internet whinetards can't use their brains for all of the 5 seconds it takes to realize that and instead DEMAND that their opinion on how it should have ended be made reality.

I don't see how any rational human being can think otherwise.

 

[ralfy]

YOu calling me a non-gamer?

I think you are a gamer who forgot that the ending is important in adventure games with C&C and RPG elements.

 

[Durgiun]

YOu calling me a non-gamer?

I think you are a gamer who forgot that the ending is important in adventure games with C&C and RPG elements.

Hardly. A good ending is important to any story, but the uproar the Retake and Hold the Line people made is just going overboard. They're acting as if BioWare just stole their girl/boyfriends/wifes/husbands and are now demanding the wrong be righted.

 

[ralfy]

Oh, I agree!

Does it justify the mass hysterical overreaction that followed, though? Absolutely not!

Edit: And this whole appaling "yeah, they're fixing it, but it's not what we wanted anyway" crap is just adding insult to injury.

I am not bothered by the so-called "mass hysterical overreaction" because we are looking at so much time and resources spent by developers for a game that did so well (not to mention two earlier games) and then ending up like this. If any, I think the reaction is more than warranted.

For the last point, I think the only way to fix this game is to at least add more dialogue leading to one of different endings. I cannot imagine how additional cut scenes will help.

 

[ralfy]

Hardly. A good ending is important to any story, but the uproar the Retake and Hold the Line people made is just going overboard. They're acting as if BioWare just stole their girl/boyfriends/wifes/husbands and are now demanding the wrong be righted.

This is not a story but a video game.

Your description of the "uproar" looks like more of the same overreaction to me.

 

[Hagi]

I think they're justified.

Do many take it much, much farther than I personally would? Yup.

But seeing the number of broken promises and simply untrue statements made by Bioware they fully deserve a public outrage over this.

Don't want anyone complaining about your ABC-ending that's unaffected by most of the game's previous choices? Then don't promise an open ending that takes most of your choices into account.

Consumers are completely justified in complaining about a product whose advertisements weren't just bending the truth but outright lies.

And you can bet that if George R. R. Martin made a public announcement that his next book would be out in two months and have 1500 pages and all we get is 250 pages 6 months later there would also be a public outrage demanding he release the book he promised.