Poll: What to do with Bradley Manning

[Scolar Visari]

If he leaked files that endanger soldiers in the field and that/those soldier(s) die, he should be held partially responsible.

Regardless, you dont do this to the military you are part of.

Most of the documents seem to be old reports of things which had already happened, and as a public leak it's not like the government doesn't have access to what everyone else knows. I would find it very unlikely that people were ambushed because this leak exposed their campground to the enemy, unbeknown to them.

I hope this doesn't fuel conservative rhetoric about Don't Ask, Don't Tell. >_<;

Right, because you're an information analyst and have the knowledge and experience to know what kind of material can be harmful or not? Because you have the frame of mind to understand the effort it took to gather some of that information and how quickly that son of a ***** destroyed it all.

 

[Dags90]

Right, because you're an information analyst and have the knowledge and experience to know what kind of material can be harmful or not? Because you have the frame of mind to understand the effort it took to gather some of that information and how quickly that son of a ***** destroyed it all.

Some of that information included things like 'Canadian broadcast TV has nefarious Americans in it'. Not even joking. That post was also made months ago, when most of the cables leaked were of that nature. I think a reasonable person can judge that finding out the details of Qaddafi's busty Ukranian nurse and the state of Canadian broadcast TV isn't particularly harmful. I also never said I was an information analyst, I didn't know we were operating on the "you haven't denied allegations that you're a ..." format.

Are you an information analyst? It's been several months, where are the government reports about the horrible damage incurred by Wikileaks outside of political embarrassment?

I've always been completely open to the idea that the information that was leaked could lead to serious harm, I just haven't seen anything to suggest that. Feel free to start posting it.

To make this clear, I'm saying this as a layperson.

 

[Scolar Visari]

Right, because you're an information analyst and have the knowledge and experience to know what kind of material can be harmful or not? Because you have the frame of mind to understand the effort it took to gather some of that information and how quickly that son of a ***** destroyed it all.

Some of that information included things like 'Canadian broadcast TV has nefarious Americans in it'. Not even joking. That post was also made months ago, when most of the cables leaked were of that nature. I think a reasonable person can judge that finding out the details of Qaddafi's busty Ukranian nurse and the state of Canadian broadcast TV isn't particularly harmful. I also never said I was an information analyst, I didn't know we were operating on the "you haven't denied allegations that you're a ..." format.

Are you an information analyst? It's been several months, where are the government reports about the horrible damage incurred by Wikileaks outside of political embarrassment?

I've always been completely open to the idea that the information that was leaked could lead to serious harm, I just haven't seen anything to suggest that. Feel free to start posting it.

To make this clear, I'm saying this as a layperson.

It also included things like casualty reports, troop movements and supply records. They might not seem dangerous to the average person, but with something like casualty records I could determine optimal places to set up ambushes or IEDs. Just because you don't think they're dangerous doesn't make it so.

The rest of the information, the political cables or whatever they were called. Why release them? Why damage U.S. International relations? Who pissed in Manning's cereal that caused him to throw a hissy fit and violate his oath and a shit-load of contracts?

 

[Dags90]

It also included things like casualty reports, troop movements and supply records. They might not seem dangerous to the average person, but with something like casualty records I could determine optimal places to set up ambushes or IEDs. Just because you don't think they're dangerous doesn't make it so.

The rest of the information, the political cables or whatever they were called. Why release them? Why damage U.S. International relations? Who pissed in Manning's cereal that caused him to throw a hissy fit and violate his oath and a shit-load of contracts?

Yes, however we've always known about the leaks. These weren't leaked to the Taliban. Knowing exactly what was leaked is huge. You'd know exactly where to set up IEDs and ambushes, but I'd know exactly what you're basing that on. If you publish a list of "weak spots" in the U.S. across the entire internet, yeah some bad people would find out. You could also bet your bottom dollar those "weak spots" will be quickly patched up when it becomes international news.

Again as a lay person, I imagine some of the nastier classified material (which includes U.S. tax dollars funding PMCs who deal in child prostitutes and Brazil arresting terror suspects on bogus drug charges) could lead to someone wanting to shine a bright light on the whole situation.

It's been six months, we should be seeing the effects by now.

 

[Scolar Visari]

It also included things like casualty reports, troop movements and supply records. They might not seem dangerous to the average person, but with something like casualty records I could determine optimal places to set up ambushes or IEDs. Just because you don't think they're dangerous doesn't make it so.

The rest of the information, the political cables or whatever they were called. Why release them? Why damage U.S. International relations? Who pissed in Manning's cereal that caused him to throw a hissy fit and violate his oath and a shit-load of contracts?

Yes, however we've always known about the leaks. These weren't leaked to the Taliban. Knowing exactly what was leaked is huge. You'd know exactly where to set up IEDs and ambushes, but I'd know exactly what you're basing that on. If you publish a list of "weak spots" in the U.S. across the entire internet, yeah some bad people would find out. You could also bet your bottom dollar those "weak spots" will be quickly patched up when it becomes international news.

Again as a lay person, I imagine some of the nastier classified material (which includes U.S. tax dollars funding PMCs who deal in child prostitutes and Brazil arresting terror suspects on bogus drug charges) could lead to someone wanting to shine a bright light on the whole situation.

And none of that really excuses what he did. He broke a number of contracts and his oath to hand this info off to some creepy looking dude in Europe. If he was really concerned, he'd have maybe gone to, oh I don't know? Army CID? And even then, that doesn't account for all the political information that he leaked to.

 

[Dags90]

And none of that really excuses what he did. He broke a number of contracts and his oath to hand this info off to some creepy looking dude in Europe. If he was really concerned, he'd have maybe gone to, oh I don't know? Army CID? And even then, that doesn't account for all the political information that he leaked to.

And I don't think all of what he did really excuses what the military has done and is still doing to him.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

He leaked classified info. The normal punishment for such a thing would be a life or an set amount of years. Thankfully, this isn't the cold war era, if it was, he'd probably be sentenced to death and not a single person would stand up for him.

 

[Gindil]

If he leaked files that endanger soldiers in the field and that/those soldier(s) die, he should be held partially responsible.

Regardless, you dont do this to the military you are part of.

I've heard it and yet both the military as well as DoD officials have been quoted as saying the leaks have done nothing.

On a related note, this was the same BS that got Nixon in trouble.

 

[Scolar Visari]

And none of that really excuses what he did. He broke a number of contracts and his oath to hand this info off to some creepy looking dude in Europe. If he was really concerned, he'd have maybe gone to, oh I don't know? Army CID? And even then, that doesn't account for all the political information that he leaked to.

And I don't think all of what he did really excuses what the military has done and is still doing to him.

And what exactly are they doing to him that is so reprehensible? He's experiencing nothing you wouldn't find anywhere else in the U.S. Corrections system.

Manning pretty much told the guards that he was able to kill himself with the elastic waistband of his underwear. As per procedure, Manning was then labeled as a suicide risk and anything that he could use to kill himself has been removed from his possession. I'll hazard a guess that you aren't familiar with the many creative ways prisoners have been able to kill themselves?

 

[Dags90]

And what exactly are they doing to him that is so reprehensible? He's experiencing nothing you wouldn't find anywhere else in the U.S. Corrections system.

Manning pretty much told the guards that he was able to kill himself with the elastic waistband of his underwear. As per procedure, Manning was then labeled as a suicide risk and anything that he could use to kill himself has been removed from his possession. I'll hazard a guess that you aren't familiar with the many creative ways prisoners have been able to kill themselves?

He said if he wanted to, he could. But he hasn't been evaluated by any doctor or psychologist as being at risk, nor has he ever expressed the wish to kill himself. As the article I linked states he's not listed as being on suicide watch and further, their own psychiatrists oppose him being listed even as a Prevention of Injury inmate.

His response about the underwear was a sarcastic remark about the restrictions placed on him as a POI. I've also still yet to get a good reason why they can't give him his underwear a few minutes early before inspection. If he wanted to, he could bash his face into the bars, better get rid of them quick!

He's definitely not being treated as any other inmate. He's watched a good deal more.