Poll: Whats with all the drugs?

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Kpt._Rob

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I used to actually be a drug addict, I've been clean for a while now, but perhaps I could offer some insight as, before I had ever tried any (and let me note here, that as someone who has some experience, I would strongly suggest against trying any) I also could not imagine what people found so attractive about drugs.

1) Altered states of consciousness: Drugs literally change the way you think, a website called Erowid.org contains written testimonies from users of just about any substance imaginable, it also contains lists of the effects for every drug. And one of the most commonly listed effects is "magical thinking." That is to say that people who are using drugs may have very different conceptions of the universe from you, when you're regularly using drugs, it seems that the universe is a place that can be understood, placed into magical rules far stranger than any you could possibly imagine while sober. Of course, coming back from this has a cost, and it's a big one at that. I have been mostly clean for a while, with exception made for a couple of very ill advised diphenhydramine trips, and part of the reason I decided to get clean is because I had completely disconnected from reality. Living in a magical world is fun at first, it's like a fantasy, but as you disconnect further and further from this world, you lose the emotional ties that make living in this world worthwhile, and the only thing that can dull the pain of losing those ties is using more drugs. Sobriety has helped some, but I still have to take every day one day at a time. Some nights I am besieged by conceptions of hell unlike any I had before I had ever used, disconnected from this world, lonely and afraid I'll be lonely forever. The more I connect with the world, the better it gets, but it'll never be completely better.

2) Altered feelings: If you think you've ever laughed before, you've probably never taken Nitrous Oxide, better known as laughing gas. This particular chemical is also known against druggies by another name, hippie crack, because the high is so addictive. The first times you take it, you just laugh, and you've not got the slightest clue why, but everything is so god damned funny it hurts. Nitrous Oxide is unique amongst drugs of abuse, because it has a reverse-tolerance affect, that is to say that the more you take it, the more it affects you. Further use causes your perception of time to literally slow down while you're high. And I hear that pure MDMA makes the happiness you feel from Nitrous look like nothing, though anyone considering trying it should be warned, experienced users suggest against taking MDMA more than 10-15 times over the course of your entire life, because after you've taken it more than that number of times, the rest of your life is so depressing by comparison, that some users never know what happiness feels like again. Amongst those unfortunate souls who have taken it to that extent, suicide is not uncommon.

3) It's one hell of an adventure: Ever met a ghost? I have. Not really of course, but I might as well have. The second time I took mescaline, was with a friend who was a trained hypnotist. In an unaltered state of consciousness, I am at best moderately succeptible to hypnosis, but while under the influence of mescaline... I closed my eyes, and with his voice as my guide I met a small ghost girl with whom I communed in a dark basement. I connected with her so much, that when my hypnotist friend directed me to exit hypnosis, I felt guilty about leaving her alone. Needless to say, without drugs, it is highly improbable that I could ever have had an experience like this. As my drug addiction worsened, I perfected my skills, learning self-hypnosis. I have met spirits, machine gods, and shit so strange I still have nightmares. I have flown across strange planets, levitated in front of massive turning pillars of light, and once I experienced what it was like to have a vagina. Let me reiterate, it is more than a little unlikely that I would have had any of these experiences without drugs.

The costs: Perhaps after what I've said, it's understandable why the allure of drugs is so strong. They offer an experience that literally can not be had any other way. That said, I feel very strongly now that it was not worth it. I am never going to be the person I was before I started using. It's hard for me to sleep at nights, I often become incredibly depressed (much more than I used to), and sometimes I still have terrible cravings. There are times I feel completely detached from reality, and afraid that I will never be able to come back to reality, or reconnect with another person, though my only hope is that I shall find myself wrong. Drugs will take more from you than you even realized you had to lose. They will show you heaven, and they will show you hell, and you'll never recover for having seen one or the other.
 

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I don't drink or use drugs, and never have. I already know I'm no good with moderation, so why give myself more things to try and stay away from? Finally, perfect hindsight without the initial bad experience. A lot of people that I've bumped into think that abstaining is more shocking than doing either, and try to convince me that I'm a husk of a human until I've gotten drunk/high, but I don't really see the point. I'm all for new experiences but I don't find those specific instances personally meaningful. That being said, I also try to not be critical of those who choose to partake, to each their own etc.
 

lee1287

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the rush? I do mountain biking for the adrenaline rush. Thats sorta my drug i guess.
 

p3t3r

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smoked weed once and get drunk every couple weeks. might smoke some more in the summer. i did it because i was at a party and didn't have any booze plus friends were doing it. i also find it fun to breath smoke out
 

PrimoThePro

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I already act like I'm stoned all the time (So I am told) that there is no need for me to use drugs. Alcohol I will drink occasionally, just with a few friends.
 

Parallel Streaks

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I used to use drugs. Heavily. I quit them though, when it got onto scary levels of dependence. Cold turkey.

It was a painful transition, but now I just have a few drinks every now and again. I might try to quit cigarettes next year.

HA. Sorry, I just realized how futile that last effort would be.
 

HSIAMetalKing

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I smoke weed but it doesn't really phaze me anymore. Other drugs are fun, but they're more expensive (so only for special occasions!).
 

skywalkerlion

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I don't really get it either. I don't mind when people do it, it's just when they act "I'M SO EDGY" about it. Like this WoW scenario:

Me: Hey dude, wanna do a raid tonight?
Guildie: Sure man, I'm so good at healing when I'm hiiiiiiiiiiighghhhh
Me:..well, okay, when do you wann-
Guildie: Yeaahh man, did you know I have a farm for that shizz in my backyard?
Me:..I guess that's pretty cool.
Guildie: Hold on a sec man, I need to get another liight

That happens on my server constantly :(
 

skywalkerlion

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Kpt._Rob said:
3) It's one hell of an adventure: Ever met a ghost? I have. Not really of course, but I might as well have. The second time I took mescaline, was with a friend who was a trained hypnotist. In an unaltered state of consciousness, I am at best moderately succeptible to hypnosis, but while under the influence of mescaline... I closed my eyes, and with his voice as my guide I met a small ghost girl with whom I communed in a dark basement. I connected with her so much, that when my hypnotist friend directed me to exit hypnosis, I felt guilty about leaving her alone. Needless to say, without drugs, it is highly improbable that I could ever have had an experience like this. As my drug addiction worsened, I perfected my skills, learning self-hypnosis. I have met spirits, machine gods, and shit so strange I still have nightmares. I have flown across strange planets, levitated in front of massive turning pillars of light, and once I experienced what it was like to have a vagina. Let me reiterate, it is more than a little unlikely that I would have had any of these experiences without drugs.
...

JESUS.

CHRIST.


That's the very reason I don't consider taking drugs.
 

IzisviAziria

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isawdrones said:
Just wanted to put my two cents in about weed. From what I've seen most people tend only to have positive effects from it, but this is not always so...

The first time I got stoned (eaten), I was a paranoid, disoriented and mumbling mess for 6 hours. My heart beat was insane, I felt like I couldn't breathe and my body felt so light it was disturbing. I thought I was going to die.
if that was your first experience with marijuana, then I'm going to suggest you stay away from hallucinogens. I've smoked quite a bit of pot, I've done shrooms several times, and I did salvia a couple times... I quite enjoy pot, and I enjoyed most of my shroom experiences, but it takes a certain mindset to enjoy. If you were anxious, disoriented, paranoid, had an accelerated heart beat etc from simple marijuana, then psilocybin is probably not a good idea for you.

I don't mean that in any demeaning way, I have friends that are great, open minded people, who just can't enjoy psilocybin. It's just not for everyone.

Salvia... I would say that would probably be okay to try. Mostly because no matter the experience, it only lasts 5-10 minutes anyway so good or bad, you're out of it very quickly. And it is quite an intense experience, so if you are set on trying an hallucinogen once, then that's the one I would recommend.

OP: I've used various narcotics, alcohol and weed, psychadelics... I've experienced. But I've never let it control me. It's a personal choice that I believe everyone should be allowed to make, so long as they are able to make it responsibly. It's no different than alcohol; sure it's legal, but that doesn't mean some people won't misuse it. Marijuana is (almost) completely harmless if you enjoy it responsibly.

Pot heads happen, but it's no different than any legal junky... Hopped up on vicodin, or an alcoholic, or an obsessive WoW player, or a problem-gambler... everyone has their vices, not everyone can control them. I say make it legal, and let adults make adult decisions... if they want to destroy themselves, they will whether the law allows it or not.
 

Snarky Username

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Well, my dad, mom, brother, both uncles, both grandfathers, aunt, and cousin are all recovering alcoholics and drug attics, so after some of the things I've seen them do, I'm never doing drugs or alcohol.

It does lead to some very funny stories, though.
 

Low Key

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To each their own. I used to do a bunch of different drugs when I was a teen, but they all have lost their luster with me, although they are pretty fun. The most I do now is smoke a little weed from time to time and/or have a beer or two.

It's just an experience I guess. I don't encourage anyone who doesn't want to do drugs to go out and do them. They aren't for everyone and they certainly don't make you any cooler or hip.
 

Kpt._Rob

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skywalkerlion said:
Kpt._Rob said:
3) It's one hell of an adventure: Ever met a ghost? I have. Not really of course, but I might as well have. The second time I took mescaline, was with a friend who was a trained hypnotist. In an unaltered state of consciousness, I am at best moderately succeptible to hypnosis, but while under the influence of mescaline... I closed my eyes, and with his voice as my guide I met a small ghost girl with whom I communed in a dark basement. I connected with her so much, that when my hypnotist friend directed me to exit hypnosis, I felt guilty about leaving her alone. Needless to say, without drugs, it is highly improbable that I could ever have had an experience like this. As my drug addiction worsened, I perfected my skills, learning self-hypnosis. I have met spirits, machine gods, and shit so strange I still have nightmares. I have flown across strange planets, levitated in front of massive turning pillars of light, and once I experienced what it was like to have a vagina. Let me reiterate, it is more than a little unlikely that I would have had any of these experiences without drugs.
...

JESUS.

CHRIST.


That's the very reason I don't consider taking drugs.
Good decision. Trust me, knowing what it's like to get cut in half and then transform into an extradimensional egg carton is overrated. Like I said, you don't get to come back from that... not all the way.
 

Ziadaine_v1legacy

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Depends. Im clean but Im willing to try them once. The only problem is that sometimes the Media, word of mouth and government make them look much worse then what they are, people get scared into thinking "Just once will destroy my life". Take weed for example, hardly as damaging as what Cigarettes are but its banned in most places for reasons no one even remembers anymore. (Minus Drug dealers)

That's my other problem, the law (because im classed as a soldier still, so the media would want that kind of gossip) and the fact one has to buy them for ALOT of money from some seedy 14 year old teen out on town of a night. (here anyway)
 

dalek sec

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Omikron009 said:
I don't drink or do drugs, so apparently I'm a loser, but honestly, I figure my body has enough to handle what with the crap I eat and my lack of exercise.
This is pretty much my reasoning as to why I don't do drugs. My body is already busy dealing with my lack of exercise so I really can't stress it out much more than I already am.
 

Powertool

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I work in a restaurant. I also smoke weed almost every day along with all my co-workers, oddly enough I do not drink though, because ironically i have almost no drug tolerance.
 

Devi Darkside

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Well I used to smoke cigarettes, those are pointless when it comes to any change in feeling, unless you like having a lack of stress and then it all hitting harder later in the day.

I drink potent alcoholic beverages because I've found they've added to a good time with friends and/or while participating is things like video games, twister, pool, darts and other games.

I also smoke marijuana on occasion because it calms me down and makes things like cereal and ice cream orgasmic. Also it provides me with very relaxed sleep on occasion.

Beyond that I don't bother with anything else. And no worries, I can see why people wouldn't want to bother with this sort of thing anyway.