Poll: What's your opinion on Rap and Hip Hop?
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Rap isn't really my thing, but just because I don't like it doesn't mean that all is invariably shit and you are wrong for thinking otherwise.
I don't like heavy metal either, doesn't mean everything is shit.
I do like some rap and as the OP said lyrically speaking rap artists can be far more original and creative than most other rock musicians.
For instance, this is actually great;
I don't like heavy metal either, doesn't mean everything is shit.
I do like some rap and as the OP said lyrically speaking rap artists can be far more original and creative than most other rock musicians.
For instance, this is actually great;
Any overt "comedy rap parody" misses the point of rap, because rap has always been a comedic form right from its roots in the Jamaican dancehall scene (the serious stuff came later) so underlining the point has no meaning except to spell it out for tards not clued-in enough to get the joke the first time around. It's the same pointlessness of the "Scary Movie" films, which were a parody of the "Scream" films, themselves also a far more subtle and smarter parody of more worthy targets... likewise, in the case of that song, the original is far funnier and the satire much sharper:RhombusHatesYou said:
Alright, I didn't read the whole thread, and it might SEEM like I took the first comment I saw and argued against it but I am particularly opposed to this one. Sorry if it has since been resolved in some way, but I am less refuting it and moreso using it as a basis for my point.SimuLord said:
I am not a fan of rap. That said, I am not a fan of any genre of music, though I do tend to enjoy Mellow Jazz or Techno music more so than most. However, I really am not interested enough in music to be tied down to a genre. Rap is even lower on the interest scale than most forms of music for me, but even so, every once and a while I hear (through no choice of my own) my brother broadcasting all his latest rap music at [Insert large number appropriate to the following units here] [Insert unit of sound here, because I really don't know the correct term and couldn't be arsed to look it up] and I think "Dang, daddy-o, that right there is one ritzy razzmatazz!"
(Yes, that is my best effort at using slang)
For example, he might be very outdated by now, but a while ago my brother showed me some of Common's (formerly common sense) songs and I was quite impressed.
However, saying that rap encourages the racism of it's group is ridiculous. Because if the people advocating the prejudice are doing so of their own accord, without intending to advocate the prejudice, then it's not racism - It's correct. Sometimes, stereotypes are true, and NO I don't think all african americans or for that matter, ANYONE into hip hop culture buys into the whole gangsta lifestyle. But when a group of people have a defined sense of dress/speech pattern/music style or whatever rap style is (I don't really know) it's not racism, it's a culture! I don't know why recognizing the fact that a culture exists in american rap musicians is labelled racism.
Sure, there are people who see it and think "All black people are thugs! I should write to the president about... Oh wait." But why should we blame the Rap Music, to use a tired expression? We should blame those who take the constants of one culture and needlessly apply it to a wide group of people.
Anywho, my point is, Rap has it's merits, and often it's lyrics are truly brilliant. I would probably prefer rap were it written as poetry and I could just read it, rather than having to listen to it, but there are times when music is used effectively as a medium. I also think that, like... Well, live everything on the planet, there are times when it can be unoriginal, and there are times when it can be just the opposite.
If I've come off as a rambling buffoon... Wait scratch that, if I've come off as more of a rambling buffoon than I'd feared, please tell me and just disregard this whole thing. In my defense, it's early, I'm sick, and I haven't gotten any sleep.
I love what some people call alternative Hip-Hop: Common, The Roots, Mos Def, De La Soul, A Tribe Called Quest. But that's a whole nother type of music than what most people think of when they talk about Hip-Hop, because it's not as present in the charts.
As for mainstream things, Kanye West is good, 2Pac of course and some of the things by DMX, Busta Rhymes and Eminem
As for mainstream things, Kanye West is good, 2Pac of course and some of the things by DMX, Busta Rhymes and Eminem
Anyone who says "It's not music" is provably an asshole.
Try to open your minds a little bit, guys. Even what Justin Bieber does is technically music.
Try to open your minds a little bit, guys. Even what Justin Bieber does is technically music.
I shall amend my statement. "There is very little that is actually aesthetically pleasing about all of the rap and hip-hop I have heard." And in almost every one of those, it's mostly the same beat repeated endlessly, with the occasional change of pace for a few beats.Apretentiousname said:
As that is my opinion, in a thread asking for opinions, why are you getting your knickers in such a twist about it? I dislike music you like, why get mad about it?
Technically a toddler banging pots together on the kitchen floor is music, yet no one in their right mind would call it such.Frozen Donkey Wheel2 said:
I'm not saying rap and whatever isn't, just that you can't call any random thing with a beat as music.
I loathe about 90% of it, and aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall of my goddamn rage goes to the majority of the fanbase. I enjoy earlier Eminem, Madvillain, earlier Kanye and Outkast, however.
I'm not saying it's music just because it has a beat. This is the part when I ask you just how much rap you've actually listened to.Agayek said:
Maybe half a dozen songs, all the way through. Probably about 20-30 more than 1 minute in. I didn't particularly like any of them, so I've felt no need to listen to any more. Does that mean it's not music? Not at all. All it means is that it doesn't suit my tastes.Frozen Donkey Wheel2 said:
I was just trying to say that the "It's not music!" argument is a debatable topic that often depends on opinion and personal taste. There are a number of examples where things are technically music, but while the denotation fits, the connotation is not nearly as straightforward.
Calm down no need to swear. Thing is I don't pay attention to the names of rap artists. I strat to hear rap/hip hop and turn over. All the rap/hip hop I hear sounds all the same to me. Sex/drugs/money/gang etc. I know a lot of other music is really about the same thing but it sounds better in instumental work and voice.Apretentiousname said:
Is that good enough now? Please next time just ask me nicely to give evidence.
Anyone who says that rap is garbage based on modern day mainstream portrayals is a complete philistine who underestimates how broad genres actually are.
And I am a fan of old school rap and hip hop, as well as a few select modern day alternative rap artists. Good beats, solid flow, what is not to like about it?
And I am a fan of old school rap and hip hop, as well as a few select modern day alternative rap artists. Good beats, solid flow, what is not to like about it?
Because, I'm very excitable.Agayek said:
Listen. Changes. 2Pac. Or Brenda's got a baby or keep ya head up or dear mama or better days or until the end of time, listen to one of those or something and yes.Cazza said:
The poll options are garbage.
That said, I love me some good hip'n with the hop'n and the guys that do the rap'n over the drumming and the bass and the beats and stuff like that. It's quite nice to my ears, er, sometimes...
Not only are there supremely talented beat writers like Ant of Atmosphere, The Alchemist, and Dan the Automator out there crafting beautiful sequences, there's supremely talented rhymers laying down flows of incredible intricacy. Talents like Andre 3000, Deltron/Del, Slug, Sage Francis, plus more...It may not be singing, but damn, it's poetic art in its own way.
It deserves some credit. In some cases, a lot of credit. To do it well takes mad skill. Whether it's a good beat, a silky flow, or both, not just anyone can do it, and do it well.
That said, I love me some good hip'n with the hop'n and the guys that do the rap'n over the drumming and the bass and the beats and stuff like that. It's quite nice to my ears, er, sometimes...
Not only are there supremely talented beat writers like Ant of Atmosphere, The Alchemist, and Dan the Automator out there crafting beautiful sequences, there's supremely talented rhymers laying down flows of incredible intricacy. Talents like Andre 3000, Deltron/Del, Slug, Sage Francis, plus more...It may not be singing, but damn, it's poetic art in its own way.
It deserves some credit. In some cases, a lot of credit. To do it well takes mad skill. Whether it's a good beat, a silky flow, or both, not just anyone can do it, and do it well.
I really enjoy rap just like I really enjoy any music. To me it's not about genre but about the song it self. Though given this is a site for geeks, nerds and gamers (You know... People like me 
) the most of us are going to lean over to the more Rock or Metal side of things. While it seems only a few of us geeky gamers like rap music... My personal preference is indy music like Oasis or Coldplay and such but I like a good rap tune here and there. I don't really see what's so wrong with it though. Christ I've seen people on this site completely disregard another users opinion simply because he liked rap music, Ice T's opinion on Medal of Honour was also pulled down just because he's an ex-rapper. Which I thinks going a little far across the line to discrimination.
Look if you don't like the music then fine, it's not your genre... However that doesn't mean you should hate the fellow singing it just because you don't like the music. Also, this doesn't mean his/her opinion isn't just as valid as anyone else's.
Overall, I'm not the biggest rap fan... I like a few rap songs and I like the art and the work that goes into it. I don't like the attitude the community as towards the musicians though... Again I feel too many on this site alone will discriminate against the musician or fans of the art just because the genre they chose is not one to their liking.
) the most of us are going to lean over to the more Rock or Metal side of things. While it seems only a few of us geeky gamers like rap music... My personal preference is indy music like Oasis or Coldplay and such but I like a good rap tune here and there. I don't really see what's so wrong with it though. Christ I've seen people on this site completely disregard another users opinion simply because he liked rap music, Ice T's opinion on Medal of Honour was also pulled down just because he's an ex-rapper. Which I thinks going a little far across the line to discrimination.Look if you don't like the music then fine, it's not your genre... However that doesn't mean you should hate the fellow singing it just because you don't like the music. Also, this doesn't mean his/her opinion isn't just as valid as anyone else's.
Overall, I'm not the biggest rap fan... I like a few rap songs and I like the art and the work that goes into it. I don't like the attitude the community as towards the musicians though... Again I feel too many on this site alone will discriminate against the musician or fans of the art just because the genre they chose is not one to their liking.