Poll: Whats Your Religion?
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christian, because I was raised that way and it did some good for me, although I am a pretty bad christian.
My head is so scrambled over this, such conflicting thoughts.TGLT said:
I'd like to say I was atheist. But theres always the niggling doubt in the back of my mind:"what if I'm wrong, there is a God, and now I'm fucked".
Based on my experience with religion, if there is a God, he comes accross to me as more a tyrant than a merciful fellow. That statement is going to put me in so much trouble, and I already regret typing it, but its just how I feel, its my interpretation of religion based on my own experiences and rationalisations, and I'd appreciate it if I wasn't flamed to death over it, and you could just respect my opinion without attempting to subvert it in any way.
In the end I end up ignoring the question of religion so that I can just get on with my life. I suppose this pretty much places me as agnostic, as that doubt puts me in the 'not sure' catergory.
My apologies if I offended anyone or you disagree with me, but this has been rather constructive for me, writing my thoughts seems to have ordered them slightly.
Don't apologize for having a differing opinion from people. Thought out dissent is just fine. Personally, I agree with you. Most religions, especially older ones, do depict a very tyrannical kind of god or goddess and this is probably derivative of the fact that that was more or less the only type of government most people had contact with.Fragamoo said:
I identify myself as a Satanist, though I suppose when it comes to just theism then I'm wholly atheist. Satanism isn't so much a religion in the traditional sense as it is a sort of applied philosophy or life-code, closer to Eastern thought like Buddhism or Taoism, but much more rooted in Western ideals. I subscribe to Satanism because a) I find the anti-theism stance it takes to be in-line with my other beliefs b) it ties together some interesting (though unoriginal) ideas in a sort of practical way and c) upon finding it, I discovered that I agreed with pretty much everything about it; all the ideas were ones I already had and subscribed to myself.
I'm agnostic. If you had asked me a year ago I would have said atheist.
Since then I've had religion classes (that's what you get for attending a catholic university).
I never thought it would happen but what the professor said made sense.
I've learned that it's impossible for science (or even reason) to say God can or can't exist.
Science and religion are two completely different field that have no overlap at all. The overlap most people see is an illusion.
We often think to rational and objective and speak of God as an object between other objects.
We can't see God as an object (the illusion), we don't know what he is and we never will.
God is transcendent, he isn't an object and the laws of nature don't apply to him.
Science can never give an answer to the questions who is God and what is the meaning of life.
That's why there's theology. Theologians try to understand the nature of God and the reason why we are.
Theology looks for an answer to the question why, while science only answers the question how.
No, I don't think I've been brainwashed. that professor was a creationist idiot but sometimes he really made sense.
edit: I think it's very unlikely that God exists, but I can't say for sure. Agnostic it is.
Since then I've had religion classes (that's what you get for attending a catholic university).
I never thought it would happen but what the professor said made sense.
I've learned that it's impossible for science (or even reason) to say God can or can't exist.
Science and religion are two completely different field that have no overlap at all. The overlap most people see is an illusion.
We often think to rational and objective and speak of God as an object between other objects.
We can't see God as an object (the illusion), we don't know what he is and we never will.
God is transcendent, he isn't an object and the laws of nature don't apply to him.
Science can never give an answer to the questions who is God and what is the meaning of life.
That's why there's theology. Theologians try to understand the nature of God and the reason why we are.
Theology looks for an answer to the question why, while science only answers the question how.
No, I don't think I've been brainwashed. that professor was a creationist idiot but sometimes he really made sense.
edit: I think it's very unlikely that God exists, but I can't say for sure. Agnostic it is.
Atheist, and really, I enjoy having discussions on this matter with both believers, agnostics and other atheists, however, my points tend to be attempts at being funny yet have a slight point of validity in them..
I don't believe there is a higher power, just by looking at the proof around us; war, famine, plagues, corruption and destruction.. If this was the work of some 'benevolent' deity (or deities..) I would want nothing to do with them anyway!
I gotta say, as well, I find it funny how some Christians like to use the excuse that you won't go to Hell if you become a Christian..
This made me think, because if Heaven and Hell did exist, Heaven must be full of Christian fundamentalists, and man, that would be like hell.. XD
And after a discussion with my friends, I've gotten the best image of Hell possible; basically Earth with no religion. (yes, no fiery molten area with eternal torture)
Earth with no religion? That doesn't sound like hell at all!
Anyway, yeah. Atheist and quite happy for it.
I don't believe there is a higher power, just by looking at the proof around us; war, famine, plagues, corruption and destruction.. If this was the work of some 'benevolent' deity (or deities..) I would want nothing to do with them anyway!
I gotta say, as well, I find it funny how some Christians like to use the excuse that you won't go to Hell if you become a Christian..
This made me think, because if Heaven and Hell did exist, Heaven must be full of Christian fundamentalists, and man, that would be like hell.. XD
And after a discussion with my friends, I've gotten the best image of Hell possible; basically Earth with no religion. (yes, no fiery molten area with eternal torture)
Earth with no religion? That doesn't sound like hell at all!
Anyway, yeah. Atheist and quite happy for it.
Glad there are a few reasonable thinkers around here. Science has nothing to say on spiritual or moral/ethical direction. Religion doesn't concern itself with the way things work and useful predictions based upon observations of the way things work.Jovlo said:
Not really. Science does overlap with religion because science possesses the ability to, if not outright disprove religion, then make many of its base claims extremely unlikely. The idea of a soul, an afterlife, a god, those things are all fairly fundamental to most theistic religions and they are all cast into strong doubt by science.cuddly_tomato said:
No no and no.
There is no overlap, there can't even be a conflict.
I know it's hard to see but think about it.
First of all, theologians don't know what they are talking about, but at least they know that.
They try to understand God and the meaning of life, they are not trying to prove anything.
They try to make THE CONCEPT of God understandable.
Science is all about objects and objectiveness. Meaning doesn't exist in this field.
And seriously, how is science ever going to prove we have no soul, there is no afterlife or tell us why we are on this orbiting ball of dirt in the middle of nothing?
There is no overlap, there can't even be a conflict.
I know it's hard to see but think about it.
First of all, theologians don't know what they are talking about, but at least they know that.
They try to understand God and the meaning of life, they are not trying to prove anything.
They try to make THE CONCEPT of God understandable.
Science is all about objects and objectiveness. Meaning doesn't exist in this field.
And seriously, how is science ever going to prove we have no soul, there is no afterlife or tell us why we are on this orbiting ball of dirt in the middle of nothing?
Not according to scientists.searanox said:
Freeman John Dyson FRS, theoretical physicist and mathematician, famous for his work in quantum field theory, solid-state physics, and nuclear engineering, has this to say about it:-
Christian, because these are my beliefs. Yes, I was raised that way, but I had to choose to be my own person, and did. I'm a Christian because of my own personal experiences within my religion.
That is all I shall say on this thread, because I'm tired of watching religious people take the atheistic equivalent of a Zerg Rush.
And can we finally start taking the heads off these topics? There can be only one.
That is all I shall say on this thread, because I'm tired of watching religious people take the atheistic equivalent of a Zerg Rush.
And can we finally start taking the heads off these topics? There can be only one.
I don't like calling Atheism a 'Religion' but yeah, I don't believe in the invisible man in the sky who watches you wank. Oh, and science does have something to say about Morals. Read The God Delusion. Science kicks religion's ass. people say religion gives a why, but 'we are here for god's amusement' is not much of a reason.
