Poll: When will humanity reach the stars?

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Jowe

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So my question is basically this, do you think that we will have a chance of travelling interstellar distances any time soon?

I think we stand a fair chance of reaching the stars within our great grandchildren's lifetimes, especially if you consider how far we have come in the last 100 years, in 1911 it would have been unthinkable to leave our planets surface for extended periods of time (the wright brothers first flight having been achieved only a few years before) and now we have near daily rocket launches to orbit.
 

Phlakes

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Well, now that we can make particles move faster than light, we have to figure out how to do it faster, then do it with more particles, then different particles, then more complex things, than even more complex things until we get to objects, then larger objects, then living things, then make it safe, then humans, then vehicles, then figure out how to use it multiple times as propulsion, then test it for a very long time, then make several voyages, probably fail a lot, make more, and finally launch the first successful trip.

And somewhere we need the money to fund this.
 

Jowe

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Phlakes said:
Well, now that we can make particles move faster than light, we have to figure out how to do it faster, then do it with more particles, then different particles, then more complex things, than even more complex things until we get to objects, then larger objects, then living things, then make it safe, then humans, then vehicles, then figure out how to use it multiple times as propulsion, then test it for a very long time, then make several voyages, probably fail a lot, make more, and finally launch the first successful trip.

And somewhere we need the money to fund this.
Ahh yes, I remember steven hawking saying something about the hardest part of an interstellar voyage would be finding funding, since in all likely hood you'll never see the craft or the people within ever again.
 

Alssadar

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Seeing as how Earth's kinda wrecking itself, I would like to see space travel, but, we lack all necessary resources (Money; see 'Earth's kinda wrecking itself').
By the time this is all settled out, it might be a couple generations further down the line, so yeah.
I still want to live on a moon colony, dammit--Allow me that, humanity!
 

Raven's Nest

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Unfortunately with our current understanding of physics and our level of resources we will not likely ever travel interstellar distances.

A few problems.

1. We don't have the technology to propel ourselves fast enough to reach even the closest star system in our lifespans.

2. Even if we knew how to do it, we probably wouldn't have enough resources in the Earth to use as fuel.

3. Humans can't reproduce in space which rules out voyaging over several generations.


Our best bet to colonize other planets is to send bacteria to a similar sized and positioned planet via longe range vessel such as the voyager spacecraft.

There are sources for all of these but I don't have them. That asian american astrophysicist knows why, I forget his name...
 

Jowe

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Raven said:
Unfortunately with our current understanding of physics and our level of resources we will not likely ever travel interstellar distances.

A few problems.

1. We don't have the technology to propel ourselves fast enough to reach even the closest star system in our lifespans.

2. Even if we knew how to do it, we probably wouldn't have enough resources in the Earth to use as fuel.

3. Humans can't reproduce in space which rules out voyaging over several generations.


Our best bet to colonize other planets is to send bacteria to a similar sized and positioned planet via longe range vessel such as the voyager spacecraft.

There are sources for all of these but I don't have them. That asian american astrophysicist knows why, I forget his name...
I think I know the guy you mean, he does a lot of youtube stuff doesn't he?
Anyway I found that Steven Hawking vid on youtube that fits this well:

 

Raven's Nest

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Jowe said:
I think I know the guy you mean, he does a lot of youtube stuff doesn't he?
Anyway I found that Steven Hawking vid on youtube that fits this well:
Just looked him up Michio Kaku is his name. AKA the guy who broke my heart...
 

Vicarious Reality

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Not in a hundred years
Interstellar flight is so much more difficult and dangerous (not to mention relatively pointless) than ordinary interplanetary.

But robotics can be sent to other systems right now to my knowledge.
I wonder why i haven't heard anything about such a project.
 

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Phlakes said:
Well, now that we can make particles move faster than light, we have to figure out how to do it faster, then do it with more particles, then different particles, then more complex things, than even more complex things until we get to objects, then larger objects, then living things, then make it safe, then humans, then vehicles, then figure out how to use it multiple times as propulsion, then test it for a very long time, then make several voyages, probably fail a lot, make more, and finally launch the first successful trip.

And somewhere we need the money to fund this.
Um, we didn't actually make those neutrinos go faster than light. CERN measured them going faster than light as they flew through Earth, and even then the measurements were sketchy. Apparently all available methods for calculating such velocities have pretty significant margins of error.
Also, this.

*EDIT* When we go to the stars, I think we'll probably do it by laser sails at first and <link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bussard_ramjet>ramjets once we can reliably fuse the right kind of hydrogen, as if fusing any kind of hydrogen wasn't hard enough.

Oh, and OP, if you're into this kind of stuff, I highly recommend <link=http://www.amazon.com/Physics-Impossible-Scientific-Exploration-Teleportation/dp/0307278824/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1322389422&sr=8-1>Physics of the Impossible by Michio Kaku. It's a spectacular book.

*EDIT 2* Oh, and eventually teleportation. Yes, I know it says it's not teleportation in the traditional sense, but it could be made to work in a similar manner, you just have to have some means of figuring out what's supposed to end up on the other side. In other words, we just need an ansible. That shouldn't be too hard, right? Right, guys? *cries a little*
 

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There are a couple big concerns I think need tackled in order to get our bipedal asses into space, and while plenty have been covered already I'd like to throw some more kindling into this bonfire.

FUNDING) Like it or not, cash still rules everything around research projects. The main concern is, where's that money coming from? At this point, NASA's goals for the space program at this time is to throw money at anyone with a rocket ship and a spare seat (usually Russia). Europe is more concerned with trying to clean up Greece's credit score. So, if a government sponsorship brings us to intergalactic speed in the next twenty years, odds are pretty good it'll be China.

The free market presents some extra chances to cultivate funding, yes, but let's look at it from a practical standpoint. The contents of the universe are still pretty unknown, so the thought of sending out exploratory mining vessels to what could well be a dead end of the stars would cause any business owner night terrors. At best, the tech will be redesigned to make new terrestrial transports. At craziest, eccentric billionaires like Sir Richard Branson will be able to fulfill their long-awaited wish of ferrying their rich friends to the moon and back.

PSYCHOLOGY) With our current tech levels, a trip from Earth to Mars and back ranges from 13 to 15 months (variance depending on how much time you want to spend playing golf in a rusty sandbox). That's quite a bit of time to spend in any area, let alone a spacecraft. Designed to be aerodynamic and efficient first, that doesn't leave a lot of dancing room for a crew of seven. More importantly, you know that guy at work you hate? The one with the goofy ties and the canned jokes that never go over very well, probably named Gary? Imagine having to live with that jerk for a year and a half.

DESIRE) As popular as the thought of climbing onto giant space bound arks once we've turned the skies gray with pollution sounds to us nerds, the problem remains that it's a hard vision to sell the rest of the world. All that money we'd be dumping into a program to possibly escape the world, couldn't that be better spent trying to make this rathole a better place? And what would you do once you got into space, anyway? Flutter about aimlessly from star cluster to star cluster, looking for the raw materials you need to put together a second craft? Try to find a homeworld to colonize into Earth 1.5? Find new forms of sentient beings, who would quickly grow nervous about further communications with us once they check our DVD collection?

I still want to be excited about the chance to go into space at some point in the future. But right now, I'd be more concerned with creating a safe and reliable fission generator than any form of long distance space travel. Besides, once we get that bit nailed, the rest of the project should be a cakewalk.
 

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Jowe said:
So my question is basically this, do you think that we will have a chance of travelling interstellar distances any time soon?
No.

Poll lacks a "never" option because that's the reality. It just takes too freaking long to be worthwhile, even assuming a best-case scenario with conveniently inhabitable planets nearby and ships that can travel at near-light speed, neither of which we have currently. Also nobody will spend money on it because there's no real payoff for anyone back on Earth even if a spaceship does eventually make it to somewhere else meaningful. Even something as simple as setting up a Mars colony would be a massive pain in the ass, trust me, we ain't goin' no place.
 

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Jowe said:
in 1911 it would have been unthinkable to leave our planets surface for extended periods of time
No it wouldn't.

Maybe in 1811, but by 1911, people were definitely thinking it. Even a hundred years before, I'm not sure it was unthinkable, but rather unfeasible.

And there are much larger hurtles to jump to get to the stars. Unless you count the sun, and if you do, the trouble is landing at night.
 

Wintermoot

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maybe when people on earth stop fighting over books that have been written over 1000 years ago.
 

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loudestmute said:
PSYCHOLOGY) With our current tech levels, a trip from Earth to Mars and back ranges from 13 to 15 months (variance depending on how much time you want to spend playing golf in a rusty sandbox). That's quite a bit of time to spend in any area, let alone a spacecraft. Designed to be aerodynamic and efficient first, that doesn't leave a lot of dancing room for a crew of seven. More importantly, you know that guy at work you hate? The one with the goofy ties and the canned jokes that never go over very well, probably named Gary? Imagine having to live with that jerk for a year and a half.
Why would an interstellar spaceship need to be aerodynamic?
By far the most likely scenario for interstellar travel would be to build the ship actually outside the Earth's atmosphere so that you overcome the need to launch what would be an immensely heavy ship from Earth (due to all the fuel required).
As such the ship would never be in an atmosphere and aerodynamics would never be an issue.
 

Casual Shinji

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The urge for manned space exploration and interplanetary colonisation is a phase we will grow out of sooner or later.

But then maybe that's my wishful thinking of not wanting billions upon billions of dollars wasted to put a small little oupost on a dead planet which atmosphere has one percent the density of Earth's causing its colonists to die of cancer withing 6 months.
 

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As a person who used to study astro, this might not seem obvious to others, but do you realise that some stars are just light from its origin, that just gives you an idea for how far away we are.
As for the stars that have its origin still existing, I dunno it would take 1000's of years I suppose, I really didn't study space travel... at all.
Take into account that people said back in the 1960's, that we would be taking regular trips to the moon and men would be walking on mars.
Oh and its about 4.5 billion years till our sun engulfs us, so tick tock.
 

Mrmac23

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We're going to end up killing the Earth with us still on it due to our monumental stupidity long before we could start colonizing things. Even if we do manage it, it'll probably be a VERY long time thanks to how far away everything is in space.
 

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Casual Shinji said:
The urge for manned space exploration and interplanetary colonisation is a phase we will grow out of sooner or later.

But then maybe that's my wishful thinking of not wanting billions upon billions of dollars wasted to put a small little oupost on a dead planet which atmosphere has one percent the density of Earth's causing its colonists to die of cancer withing 6 months.
I honestly hope not. The thought that humanity will never reach other planets, other worlds fills me with a sense of hopelesness and despair. From my point of view it would be beyond horrible to live our whole lives as a species on this one planet. I'm not saying i hate earth, or that it's bad place, or that we shouldn't try to make it better and take care of it. I'm just saying we, as a species should not limit ourselves to one planet, one place.
 

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Raven said:
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There are sources for all of these but I don't have them. That asian american astrophysicist knows why, I forget his name...
Michio Kaku? Man, I love that guy.

OT: We wouldn't have the resources or the technology to achieve even local space travel(i.e within our solar system). I am a bit confident that we will achieve some form of local space travel in the not-so-near future, though, given that we get our shit together as a species and actually do something relatively productive.