Poll: Which Branch of Military Is Most Important In Modern Warfare?

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Eclectic Dreck

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While they all have their purposes, the Navy is often considered the most important. The Army, at least in the US, is quite the unwieldy instrument. In fact, if push came to shove, there are only two units of significant strength that can deploy rapidly - the 75th Rangers and the 82nd Airborne, both of which are light infantry units and consist of less than 20,000 men.

People often believe that the Air Force is the most important, but this is generally false. While the Air Force certainly has the potential to deliver absolutely staggering firepower, likely more than the other three branches combined, in modern warfare this is not terribly useful in and of itself. Sure you can bomb buildings, take out command and control elements, destroy infrastructure and generally cause havock - these things are important but they do not win wars. More importantly, in our current conflicts, often the airforce is utterly incapable of applying more than a tiny fraction of its firepower for fear of friendly or civillian casualties. As such, the Air Force is generally seen as a force multiplier - the simple fact that any infantry company has the capacity to deliver 500+ pounds of precision guided ordinance when they run into trouble is not a power to be underestimated.

I would say, that if one looks at the overall purpose of a military, the Navy is the most important. The reason is simple - the navy is often the closest element to any hotspots that might pop up, and just as importantly a single carrier battle group has more firepower available than the entire armed force of most nations. Every battle group has the capacity to wage a fairly heated war in and of itself. No other branch is so supresmely suited to project overwhelming force at the drop of a hat, and the mere threat of such a body provides a healthy deterrent and helps facilitate negotiations. Perhaps just as important is the fact that the Marines are technically part of the Department of the Navy, meaning one has the capacity to deliver a sizable force of men and (most light) armor all while having a wide variety of force multipliers in the form of Aircraft and guided missiles.
 

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ARMY ARMY ARMY! Yes, I'm an U.S. Army Fanboy and proud of it. If you have a problem, we have a bullet to fit.

HUA
 

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Eclectic Dreck said:
While they all have their purposes, the Navy is often considered the most important. The Army, at least in the US, is quite the unwieldy instrument. In fact, if push came to shove, there are only two units of significant strength that can deploy rapidly - the 75th Rangers and the 82nd Airborne, both of which are light infantry units and consist of less than 20,000 men.

People often believe that the Air Force is the most important, but this is generally false. While the Air Force certainly has the potential to deliver absolutely staggering firepower, likely more than the other three branches combined, in modern warfare this is not terribly useful in and of itself. Sure you can bomb buildings, take out command and control elements, destroy infrastructure and generally cause havock - these things are important but they do not win wars. More importantly, in our current conflicts, often the airforce is utterly incapable of applying more than a tiny fraction of its firepower for fear of friendly or civillian casualties. As such, the Air Force is generally seen as a force multiplier - the simple fact that any infantry company has the capacity to deliver 500+ pounds of precision guided ordinance when they run into trouble is not a power to be underestimated.

I would say, that if one looks at the overall purpose of a military, the Navy is the most important. The reason is simple - the navy is often the closest element to any hotspots that might pop up, and just as importantly a single carrier battle group has more firepower available than the entire armed force of most nations. Every battle group has the capacity to wage a fairly heated war in and of itself. No other branch is so supresmely suited to project overwhelming force at the drop of a hat, and the mere threat of such a body provides a healthy deterrent and helps facilitate negotiations. Perhaps just as important is the fact that the Marines are technically part of the Department of the Navy, meaning one has the capacity to deliver a sizable force of men and (most light) armor all while having a wide variety of force multipliers in the form of Aircraft and guided missiles.

I agree with you in the case of asymmetrical warfare. In the case of a larger war against a similarly armed force, the better air force can give the upper hand early on in the war. It could cripple the enemy forces so that they will not be able to recover for much of the rest of the war.
 

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Air Force. Who's dropping your bombs, scanning your areas and flying over with your rations?
That's what I thought.
 

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Army and Marines take a lot of time to control an area and can be unreliable at times. Navy pretty much can only attack sea and maybe 100 miles inland. Air Force bombs everything and devastates morale. Not to mention scout the terrain for enemies. Navy and Air Force are pretty close together branch wise. But so are the Army and Marines. And Marines and Navy. Wtf. All of this integration hurts my mind.
 

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APPCRASH said:
ARMY ARMY ARMY! Yes, I'm an U.S. Army Fanboy and proud of it. If you have a problem, we have a bullet to fit.

HUA
See, i was playing on a darkest hour server the other day and this guy came in and we were discussing politics and warfare. He said " Yeah well the american army is the best ever and i know because i'm in the american army! ". Or something to that effect.

Immediately everyone got on voice chat and laughed.

It's not specifically the american army. Being a fanboy of ANY army is dangerous. Fanaticism much?

QuidProQuo said:
Army and Marines take a lot of time to control an area and can be unreliable at times. Navy pretty much can only attack sea and maybe 100 miles inland. Air Force bombs everything and devastates morale. Not to mention scout the terrain for enemies. Navy and Air Force are pretty close together branch wise. But so are the Army and Marines. And Marines and Navy. Wtf. All of this integration hurts my mind.
That's what i was wondering too though, this is the nature of modern combined arms doctrines and tactics. I mean an aircraft carrier is part of the navy, but it's firepower relies on the air forces it carries.
 

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APPCRASH said:
ARMY ARMY ARMY! Yes, I'm an U.S. Army Fanboy and proud of it. If you have a problem, we have a bullet to fit.

HUA
And so does every nation that has an army so get behind something and cut the chatter soldier.
 

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nekolux said:
APPCRASH said:
ARMY ARMY ARMY! Yes, I'm an U.S. Army Fanboy and proud of it. If you have a problem, we have a bullet to fit.

HUA
See, i was playing on a darkest hour server the other day and this guy came in and we were discussing politics and warfare. He said " Yeah well the american army is the best ever and i know because i'm in the american army! ". Or something to that effect.

Immediately everyone got on voice chat and laughed.

It's not specifically the american army. Being a fanboy of ANY army is dangerous. Fanaticism much?
Wow kid, calm down. It's just a friendly internet opinion discussion. Are you honestly saying that I'm wrong for taking up arms in defense of the citizens and the nation that I love and cherish?
 

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nekolux said:
When jet engines and missile were not as powerful as they are today. The field artillery dominated the battlefield. However with modern air units, that provide more accurate strikes, bigger strikes, FASTER strikes. The air force is in my opinion the most important.

Afterall when we're talking about symmetrical warfare, the first strike doctrine uses your air force to get THEIR air force. I mean right now, because we're focusing on smaller scale warfare, with a good air force you can effectively cripple land forces.

Also to those who voted for navy. I point you to the TU-22 =D

Not like symmetrical warfare is gonna happen anytime soon anyway. All the super powers are pussies nowadays. There was a time when a superpower could have taken over the world. That time has gone. ( Soviet union could have easily fuck up the western allies after WW2 if not for the fact that stalin is a paranoid fuck. )
Field Artillery in any of it's forms is still supremely useful and is still rightfully called the king of the battlefield. Sure, planes can deliver absolute gobs of firepower with incredible precision - the problem is there simply aren't many of them around at any given time. Depending on the disposition of the aircraft, it could take anywhere from minutes to hours to get your airstrike, and that's assuming the request is filled at all. Artillery has a number of advantages. First, in any conventional war where everything is being handled properly, most of a unit will be in range of it's big guns. This means that a skilled fire control coordinator can put steel on target in under a minute in most cases. Sure, a 155mm artillery shell doesn't SOUND like it's terribly impressive, but it makes an impact. If these big guns are not available, most US infantry companies possess a number of 60mm morter tubes and dozens of grenade launchers that can provide terrible impressive indirect firepower.

EricKINGS said:
Ive heard so much about this but i still dont know wat Semper Fi is. Any explanations would be good. :D
It's short for Semper Fidelis, which is the motto of the Marine Corps. It's a latin phrase that means "Always Faithful"
EricKINGS said:
gentleben said:
At least it's like that in Australia (although it would be nice if the Navy had a special forces regiment like the army has with the SASR)
Aint those the SEALS?
Each branch of the US military has it's own special forces unit. While all of these units are highly trained in the art of modern warfare, they all were built for specific purposes important to the unit.

The Seals for example are primarly used in operations involving water. This could mean ship to ship operations, shipping sabatoge or any variety of operations involving water. While water is their forte, Seals have often been pressed into service during operations much further inland where they often take part in the takedown of high value targets.

The Army has the generic "Special Forces". When originally concieved, the SF units were designed to be sent behind enemy lines in order to build a batallion strength unit from the indigenous population and lead them in an asymetric conflict. Like the Seals, SF are often pressed into service to take down high value targets.

The Marines have Force Reconnisance - a unit designed for long ranged surveillence. Unlike the previous two, marine recon is not a truly specialized unit but rather an elite force of light infantry. In this fasion, they are most similar to the Army Rangers.

The Air Force actually has two special forces units - search and rescue (who do exactly what you think they'd do) and combat controllers. Combat controllers are an odd group - they are tasked with building landing zones and runways, usually in a hurry and usually in places that are a far cry from being friendly.

EricKINGS said:
Ive heard so much about this but i still dont know wat Semper Fi is. Any explanations would be good. :D
It's short for Semper Fidelis, which is the motto of the Marine Corps. It's a latin phrase that means "Always Faithful"
 

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Having the Marines and Army splits the foot soldier vote.

All parts of any military (are meant to) work together cohesively for victory, even "REMFs/POGs/FOBbits" have a role. But at the end of the day I feel it is the simple infantryman who is the most important, as it has been for thousands of years.
 

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BrynThomas said:
Having the Marines and Army splits the foot soldier vote.

All parts of any military (are meant to) work together cohesively for victory, even "REMFs/POGs/FOBbits" have a role. But at the end of the day I feel it is the simple infantryman who is the most important, as it has been for thousands of years.
True, but it is still fun to have "dick sizing" contests with Jarheads, while everyone razzes on the Air Force.
 

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Well, Technically it is the Air Force but -
BrynThomas said:
All parts of any military (are meant to) work together cohesively for victory
I agree with Bryn's point.
 

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EricKINGS said:
gentleben said:
At least it's like that in Australia (although it would be nice if the Navy had a special forces regiment like the army has with the SASR)
Aint those the SEALS?
Not in Australia, the SASR (Australian SAS), the 1st commando regiment and the 2nd commando regiment make up the SOCOMD, and they are all army controlled, although the ADF does a pretty good job of coordinating all the military branches of Australia.
 

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EricKINGS said:
Agent Larkin said:
Two soviet General's meet in downtown Paris. After sharing a drink and talking about life one of them turns to the other and says "By the way who won the air war?". That is an old anti air force joke from the cold war sorry but I had to through it in.

And while I know they are just an expeditionary force still

Semper Fi
Ive heard so much about this but i still dont know wat Semper Fi is. Any explanations would be good. :D
Semper Fi is an abbreviation of the Latin "Semper Fidelias" which means always faithful/loyal. Semper Fi just means your always faithful to the marine corps.
 

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the marines are the jack of all tades in the us military , so they are the best for most combat , don't know why you'd pick the af but anyway it all started with the army but as we all know the usmc is a one size fits all soulution
 

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I say the Navy is the most important these days for one reason only. Aircraft Carriers.

/thread.
 

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Bradfucius said:
Air Force is first, because of nuclear weapons and cheap things like that to obliterate the country

Then Army/Marines because you would need them to sweep the area and operate Anti-Air guns blah blah blah

Last is Navy because you might be invading landlocked countries or just because ships are much slower than planes. The only thing they are nice for is aircraft carriers, which are of course used to support the air force.
You still need to get your tanks and troops over there, usually in ships. Guess who controls the seas?
 

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Air Force, he who controls the sky above the battlefield controls the battlefield.
 

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All of them, save the Marines, who are just a nice thing to have.

Without an army, you will never be able to exert your influence over enemies, and suffer strategic defeat.

Without an air force, your army is neutered as it's supply lines get shredded into mincemeat and your navy is a sitting duck.

Without a navy, you lose your supply lines and trade routes, and suffer economic defeat