Poll: Which came first? The chicken or the egg?

[rancher of monsters]

From an evolutionary standpoint I would say the egg, as the creature who layed the chicken containing egg may not have had the genes neccesary to form what we refer to as a chicken. It was most likley close to the chicken, but whatever creatures birthed the first chicken probably didn't have chicken genes by themselves.

 

[HalfTangible]

The rocket-powered fist!

... Yes, it's a reference -_-

 

[Scabadus]

There is no debate. As others have already pointed out the egg came first, laid by something not quite a chicken.

Unless your a creationist in which case the chicken came first. But if you try to argue this as valid in anyway shape or form I will set my cat's on you.

Technically if you're a creationalist it's a 50/50 chance. The big guy of your choosing could have created the chicken, or he/she/it/they/the eldrich horror could have created the egg. We will never know.

And the above Cracked article was obviously written by somebody who has no grasp of evolutionary biology, the fact that they then proceed to immaturely laugh at Hawking when they are provably wrong using logic that even a schoolchild could understand is just hilarious.

 

[Grospoliner]

Neither. The animal the chicken evolved from came first.

 

[meepop]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.183188-Poll-Which-Came-First-The-Chicken-or-the-Egg?page=1 This topic has already been made. By me.

OT: Well, I believe the chicken came first. How is the egg supposed to be incubated? Dinosaurs did actually NOT in fact sit on eggs.

 

[TheTaco007]

Egg. Dinosaurs had eggs far before chickens even existed.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.183188-Poll-Which-Came-First-The-Chicken-or-the-Egg?page=1 This topic has already been made. By me.

OT: Well, I believe the chicken came first. How is the egg supposed to be incubated? Dinosaurs did actually NOT in fact sit on eggs.

.... They still had eggs.

 

[Mr.PlanetEater]

Well it starts as a single celled bacterium, then it evolves into a multi-celled paramecium, then it evolves into a more complex paramecium which evolves into a simple invertebrate, which evolves into a complex invertebrate, which evolves into a fish, which evolves into an amphibian, which evolves into a small reptile which evolves into a medium reptile which evolves into a dinosaur which lays the egg that has the mutation that benefits the species's survival. Which evolves into the early predecessor of a chicken, which evolves into a smaller bird, before finally laying the egg that has the mutations of the small bird that creates the chicken's more bulky jungle dwelling dad, which we selectively breed into the flightless chicken we know and love.

So the answer is that neither the Egg nor the Chicken came first, but the uni-celled bacterium.

To the Darwin Mobile!

 

[meepop]

Egg. Dinosaurs had eggs far before chickens even existed.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.183188-Poll-Which-Came-First-The-Chicken-or-the-Egg?page=1 This topic has already been made. By me.

OT: Well, I believe the chicken came first. How is the egg supposed to be incubated? Dinosaurs did actually NOT in fact sit on eggs.

.... They still had eggs.

But how were they incubated?

 

[TheTaco007]

Egg. Dinosaurs had eggs far before chickens even existed.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.183188-Poll-Which-Came-First-The-Chicken-or-the-Egg?page=1 This topic has already been made. By me.

OT: Well, I believe the chicken came first. How is the egg supposed to be incubated? Dinosaurs did actually NOT in fact sit on eggs.

.... They still had eggs.

But how were they incubated?

It doesn't matter. They had eggs, therefore eggs existed before chickens.

 

[funguy2121]

Hold on, cracked article link incoming...

EDIT:http://www.cracked.com/article_19195_7-simple-questions-you-wont-believe-science-just-answered.html
It's the very first question on the list.



Personally, I believe that the chicken came first, eggs can't run, unless its Sheldon from Garfield and Friends.

If you were a woman I'd be proposing right now.

 

[funguy2121]

Egg. Dinosaurs had eggs far before chickens even existed.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.183188-Poll-Which-Came-First-The-Chicken-or-the-Egg?page=1 This topic has already been made. By me.

OT: Well, I believe the chicken came first. How is the egg supposed to be incubated? Dinosaurs did actually NOT in fact sit on eggs.

.... They still had eggs.

But how were they incubated?

It doesn't matter. They had eggs, therefore eggs existed before chickens.

Do we know that there were no prehistoric chickens?

 

[TheTaco007]

Egg. Dinosaurs had eggs far before chickens even existed.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.183188-Poll-Which-Came-First-The-Chicken-or-the-Egg?page=1 This topic has already been made. By me.

OT: Well, I believe the chicken came first. How is the egg supposed to be incubated? Dinosaurs did actually NOT in fact sit on eggs.

.... They still had eggs.

But how were they incubated?

It doesn't matter. They had eggs, therefore eggs existed before chickens.

Do we know that there were no prehistoric chickens?

There is no evidence to suggest that there were prehistoric chickens. However, this is evidence to suggest that dinosaurs evolved into birds, and could have BECOME something akin to a chicken. However, since this evolution occurred a long time after the first dinosaurs (and fish even) who all laid eggs, the egg existed long before the chicken.

 

[funguy2121]

Egg. Dinosaurs had eggs far before chickens even existed.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.183188-Poll-Which-Came-First-The-Chicken-or-the-Egg?page=1 This topic has already been made. By me.

OT: Well, I believe the chicken came first. How is the egg supposed to be incubated? Dinosaurs did actually NOT in fact sit on eggs.

.... They still had eggs.

But how were they incubated?

It doesn't matter. They had eggs, therefore eggs existed before chickens.

Do we know that there were no prehistoric chickens?

There is no evidence to suggest that there were prehistoric chickens. However, this is evidence to suggest that dinosaurs evolved into birds, and could have BECOME something akin to a chicken. However, since this evolution occurred a long time after the first dinosaurs (and fish even) who all laid eggs, the egg existed long before the chicken.

Fair enough, but you seem to not get the point of the very old question. It's about chicken eggs. If dinosaurs evolved into birds (which is not scientific law, at all, at this point), and if some of them evolved into chickens, then by what criteria do you judge which came first?

Oh, shit. It's all moot, really, isn't it? Whatever characteristics/mutations occurred to the embryo before it hatched (at least at the genetic level, if some of the chicken characteristics didn't kick in until puberty due to endocrine changes), so no matter what, the 1st chicken egg would precede the first chicken, regardless of the parent. Right?

I won! Where the Hell are my cookies?

 

[TheTaco007]

Egg. Dinosaurs had eggs far before chickens even existed.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.183188-Poll-Which-Came-First-The-Chicken-or-the-Egg?page=1 This topic has already been made. By me.

OT: Well, I believe the chicken came first. How is the egg supposed to be incubated? Dinosaurs did actually NOT in fact sit on eggs.

.... They still had eggs.

But how were they incubated?

It doesn't matter. They had eggs, therefore eggs existed before chickens.

Do we know that there were no prehistoric chickens?

There is no evidence to suggest that there were prehistoric chickens. However, this is evidence to suggest that dinosaurs evolved into birds, and could have BECOME something akin to a chicken. However, since this evolution occurred a long time after the first dinosaurs (and fish even) who all laid eggs, the egg existed long before the chicken.

Fair enough, but you seem to not get the point of the very old question. It's about chicken eggs. If dinosaurs evolved into birds (which is not scientific law, at all, at this point), and if some of them evolved into chickens, then by what criteria do you judge which came first?

Oh, shit. It's all moot, really, isn't it? Whatever characteristics/mutations occurred to the embryo before it hatched (at least at the genetic level, if some of the chicken characteristics didn't kick in until puberty due to endocrine changes), so no matter what, the 1st chicken egg would precede the first chicken, regardless of the parent. Right?

I won! Where the Hell are my cookies?

That was basically what I was saying. The mother of said chicken egg is going to be REALLY CLOSE to being a chicken, and she lays an egg that has a mutation/adaptation or something that makes it a chicken. So the mother who ISN'T QUITE A CHICKEN lays a chicken egg, and a chicken hatches FROM the chicken egg, so the egg came first.

 

[funguy2121]

Egg. Dinosaurs had eggs far before chickens even existed.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.183188-Poll-Which-Came-First-The-Chicken-or-the-Egg?page=1 This topic has already been made. By me.

OT: Well, I believe the chicken came first. How is the egg supposed to be incubated? Dinosaurs did actually NOT in fact sit on eggs.

.... They still had eggs.

But how were they incubated?

It doesn't matter. They had eggs, therefore eggs existed before chickens.

Do we know that there were no prehistoric chickens?

There is no evidence to suggest that there were prehistoric chickens. However, this is evidence to suggest that dinosaurs evolved into birds, and could have BECOME something akin to a chicken. However, since this evolution occurred a long time after the first dinosaurs (and fish even) who all laid eggs, the egg existed long before the chicken.

Fair enough, but you seem to not get the point of the very old question. It's about chicken eggs. If dinosaurs evolved into birds (which is not scientific law, at all, at this point), and if some of them evolved into chickens, then by what criteria do you judge which came first?

Oh, shit. It's all moot, really, isn't it? Whatever characteristics/mutations occurred to the embryo before it hatched (at least at the genetic level, if some of the chicken characteristics didn't kick in until puberty due to endocrine changes), so no matter what, the 1st chicken egg would precede the first chicken, regardless of the parent. Right?

I won! Where the Hell are my cookies?

That was basically what I was saying. The mother of said chicken egg is going to be REALLY CLOSE to being a chicken, and she lays an egg that has a mutation/adaptation or something that makes it a chicken. So the mother who ISN'T QUITE A CHICKEN lays a chicken egg, and a chicken hatches FROM the chicken egg, so the egg came first.

Dammit, I want my royalties!

 

[TheTaco007]

Egg. Dinosaurs had eggs far before chickens even existed.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.183188-Poll-Which-Came-First-The-Chicken-or-the-Egg?page=1 This topic has already been made. By me.

OT: Well, I believe the chicken came first. How is the egg supposed to be incubated? Dinosaurs did actually NOT in fact sit on eggs.

.... They still had eggs.

But how were they incubated?

It doesn't matter. They had eggs, therefore eggs existed before chickens.

Do we know that there were no prehistoric chickens?

There is no evidence to suggest that there were prehistoric chickens. However, this is evidence to suggest that dinosaurs evolved into birds, and could have BECOME something akin to a chicken. However, since this evolution occurred a long time after the first dinosaurs (and fish even) who all laid eggs, the egg existed long before the chicken.

Fair enough, but you seem to not get the point of the very old question. It's about chicken eggs. If dinosaurs evolved into birds (which is not scientific law, at all, at this point), and if some of them evolved into chickens, then by what criteria do you judge which came first?

Oh, shit. It's all moot, really, isn't it? Whatever characteristics/mutations occurred to the embryo before it hatched (at least at the genetic level, if some of the chicken characteristics didn't kick in until puberty due to endocrine changes), so no matter what, the 1st chicken egg would precede the first chicken, regardless of the parent. Right?

I won! Where the Hell are my cookies?

That was basically what I was saying. The mother of said chicken egg is going to be REALLY CLOSE to being a chicken, and she lays an egg that has a mutation/adaptation or something that makes it a chicken. So the mother who ISN'T QUITE A CHICKEN lays a chicken egg, and a chicken hatches FROM the chicken egg, so the egg came first.

Dammit, I want my royalties!

You get a cookie, how 'bout that?

 

[loc978]

I would venture to guess that it really, truly doesn't matter at this point. Let me know if someone manages to travel back in time and find out definitively.

 

[WouldYouKindly]

If you're specifically talking about chicken eggs then it depends on what you believe. Creationists always believe the chicken came first. Other people? Well that's more of a meaty issue. But considering the first thing we would consider a chicken inevitably came from the egg of another, immensely similar creature, not a chicken egg though, then that chicken came first and laid the first chicken egg. So, by my reasoning, the chicken always came before the chicken egg.