Poll: Which is better in self defense?
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The idea that all martial arts are from the East is a complete misconception. Fencing is a martial art in the same way that Judo is, as is boxing.needausername said:
I'd say Eastern purely because its the only ones that survived to this age, as someone else said European martial arts did exist but became forgotten due to the prevalence of guns.
But even then from a practical point of view the majority of modern Eastern martial arts exist in competitive sport form rather than the original form.
Anyway I think the only difference between martial arts is the fluff they use, they all use the fundamentals. Pressure points, strike points, throwing, locking are essentially the same because humans physiology is the same the only difference is how much theatricals they add to it.
But even then from a practical point of view the majority of modern Eastern martial arts exist in competitive sport form rather than the original form.
Anyway I think the only difference between martial arts is the fluff they use, they all use the fundamentals. Pressure points, strike points, throwing, locking are essentially the same because humans physiology is the same the only difference is how much theatricals they add to it.
most comes from greece, the story goes like thisneedausername said:
Alexander and his men liked to do pancration, they travelled to India, the Indians liked the idea of pancration, they adapted it into kalaripayattu, Bodhidharma took this art to China and taught the monks of Shaolin and they turned it into kung fu
everything else came from there
Well, as far as unarmed stuff goes, there's this one Russian style that's crazy effective at disarming and the like. It's name escapes me.
Generally though, western stuff is the best self-defense you can do without being a super-expert in eastern martial arts. Most eastern martial arts don't teach much second intention until late in training, and most western stuff teaches it straight off. Trickiness usually wins the fight.
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Generally though, western stuff is the best self-defense you can do without being a super-expert in eastern martial arts. Most eastern martial arts don't teach much second intention until late in training, and most western stuff teaches it straight off. Trickiness usually wins the fight.
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Hooray, it's finally acknowledged!nilcypher said:
It depends on what you're used to doing really. I always thought there were loads more Eastern styles over Western styles, so surely that means there's more choice for Eastern.
Plus, martial arts is an eastern invention, so they know their stuff when it comes to this...
Plus, martial arts is an eastern invention, so they know their stuff when it comes to this...
I've taken a 2-week period of Jujutsu as part of my high school gym class, and during the practicing of techniques, a great deal of importance was placed on not getting kicked in the balls.nilcypher said:
A kickboxing stance has the body turned slightly so that one foot is in front of you, and one foot is behind. This stance makes it difficult for someone to kick you in the balls. I don't know what kind of stances other martial arts use, but they most likely have some stance/technique for defending against such an obvious weak point.
So if some chav on the street has a cursory knowledge of martial arts/a cup, exploiting the weakness of Freddy and the twins might not be that easy.
Unless the concept of fighting originated in the Far East, you're utterly wrong there. Any systematic form of combat, be it Wing Chun or Jousting, can be considered a martial art.Jharry5 said:
EDIT: I may have added a new option to your poll.
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You raise a good point, but if we're going to start playing the what if game, any form of defence can be broken down. Besides, if kicking in the balls doesn't work, jam your heel into the top of his foot, hard. The small bones are very easy to break and it will make running away all the more easy.Duck Sandwich said:
I have been looking at Krav Maga on Wikipedia, and I find myself asking, "what's the big deal?" It really doesn't seem that different from other martial arts. Am I looking in the wrong place?
Eastern Martial arts that have been modified, or further still made into sports, are probably the best, the are designed to be easy to pick up the basics but hard to master. This allows the user to have an advantage in a street fight against a lay-opponent even if they haven't spent decades learning the intricate technicalities of wha every joint and muscle should be doing.
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As for east/west if your looking for self defence west will show you how to defend yourself quickly and easily, eastern will teach you how to really fight but I can take a long time to learn.
In the end though its down to whos teaching you; you can be learning the best fighting style in the world but if your Masters rubbish you won't learn a thing
Actually Martial arts refers to a fighting style that would be useful in a war e.g if you lost your sword you could use Judo to take your opponent to the ground, where as kicking and punching will do nothing to somone in armournilcypher said:
As for east/west if your looking for self defence west will show you how to defend yourself quickly and easily, eastern will teach you how to really fight but I can take a long time to learn.
In the end though its down to whos teaching you; you can be learning the best fighting style in the world but if your Masters rubbish you won't learn a thing
Nice. I was not aware of that. Though I have learned of a similar technique. Step on their foot and push them back. Assuming you use enough force to push them over, and keep their foot down under yours, they will end up with some broken bones in their feet (or legs, or both, I can't remember)nilcypher said:
In any case, a good martial art should get you in shape, and possibly help you kick (your enemy in the balls) faster, and build up your stamina (for running away).
I was wondering that too. There really doesn't seem to be much information on Wikipedia, aside from Krav Maga being brutal and meant to be used against opponents that show no mercy.Supernovajake said:
At the risk of being drawn into a petty argument, I disagree.joytex said:
Firstly, I don't much fancy the idea of trying to use Judo against someone who still has his sword; secondly, while armour affords the wearing a great deal of protection, it does not make them unassailable. Even someone in armour can be knocked off balance by a strong punch. Thirdly, I think you are overstating the use of Eastern martial arts.
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