Poll: Which universe is more robust: Tolkien, or Star Trek?
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LOTR has only 3-4 movies out. Star Trek has around 11 movies and 5 TV series totaling 28 seasons. Both have tons of fan fiction canceling each other out. I would have to say Star Trek based on the #'s I see.
My vote is Star Trek is more robust despite its major consistency issues. I've been GMing for years and I was forced to choose between Star Trek and Middle Earth as possible campaign settings it would have to be Trek.
Middle Earth has been more or less totally defined, all of the key players are already named, all of the major events took place and have be recorded to exacting detail, you can't really do anything with it without changing it into something that isn't Middle Earth.
Its the same reason I would never GM a forgotten realms campaign in 3.5 D&D (or ever for that matter), it felt to claustrophobic. I known as GM I could just say the PCs never step on anyone's toes with their actions but it wouldn't be the realms without all of those other people and factions.
Middle Earth has been more or less totally defined, all of the key players are already named, all of the major events took place and have be recorded to exacting detail, you can't really do anything with it without changing it into something that isn't Middle Earth.
Its the same reason I would never GM a forgotten realms campaign in 3.5 D&D (or ever for that matter), it felt to claustrophobic. I known as GM I could just say the PCs never step on anyone's toes with their actions but it wouldn't be the realms without all of those other people and factions.
Tolkien didn't create a universe, he didn't even flesh out the one planet he did create. The one region on the planet he expanded on he did very well, but it's basically only the size of a small country.
What's to teh east, south and north of this area? Why do the Easterlings and Haradrim ally themselves with Sauron? There are still lot of questions to be asked, ST on the other hand is still growing and expanding, new stuff gets added (well, got added) regularly, it may not be more comprehensive yet, but at least it has the potential to grow.
What's to teh east, south and north of this area? Why do the Easterlings and Haradrim ally themselves with Sauron? There are still lot of questions to be asked, ST on the other hand is still growing and expanding, new stuff gets added (well, got added) regularly, it may not be more comprehensive yet, but at least it has the potential to grow.
I guess both are pretty amazing but I'd have to say that Middle Earth was more solid, whereas there are so many things, people and places in Star Trek that its a lot harder to keep track of everything whereas Middle Earth has a solid history, places, peoples etc.
Given that they are both fantasy (atm......) neither are robust in a real sense, both contain feats of science or magic that we (currently) cannot replicate.
A better comparison would be as a PP has said Star Wars against Trek, or even tbh Star Wars against LOTR (to do with story progession) Star Wars has been 'accused', of being the Sci Fi LOTR. That said they are all well imagined and well fleshed out 'believable', in context worlds/galaxies!
A better comparison would be as a PP has said Star Wars against Trek, or even tbh Star Wars against LOTR (to do with story progession) Star Wars has been 'accused', of being the Sci Fi LOTR. That said they are all well imagined and well fleshed out 'believable', in context worlds/galaxies!
Star Wars is the most robust out of all of them.
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Star Wars rules all.
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Star Wars rules all.
Acutely Tolkien created the Elvish language almost from scratch in both written and spoken forms. His Elvish was derived from some rare and almost unspoken eastern European language. I can't remember which one as of now. Most people don't know this but he was a linguist before he was a novelist.Mrsnugglesworth said:
Like many others mentioned I would definitely add Star Wars to the poll. I wouldn't be able to chose one over the other but I think that Star Trek and Star Wars have the unfair advantage of being able to tie in any number of races and planets because of their galaxy theme. Middle Earth takes place on one planet and focuses on one continent and can't just add a new race out of the blue.
Oh sod off.LimaBravo said:
I can't believe that I'm being condecended to by someone who complained about "biological" fallacies in Lord of the Rings. Of course the races don't match evolutionary biology, it's clearly bloody stated that the universe was greated by a god. God does not play by your rules.
And learn how langauge works. Pulling up the OEfrakingD does not make you some linguistic master, in fact, it makes you something of a dunce, given how vitally important context is. Something you stripped away.
Consistent does not mean: "All factors match narrow, arbitary confines."
Typos? How old are you, seven?LimaBravo said:Mr Wednesday said:
Irony thy name is angry troll posts
Don't be smug, Captain Narrow Minded. Spelling is one thing. Complaining about the lack of adherence to evolutionary biology in a sodding fantasy is a special type of dumb.