Nintendo didn't pull a switcheroo: they're still making games that appeal to gamers. In fact, more so than last generation. We've seen an entry into almost every Nintendo franchise except Star Fox and F-Zero. Plus there's the quality 3rd party support from companies like Capcom, High Voltage, and Marvelous. If you're talking about shovelware being a problem, consider this: the Wii is the top-selling console of this generation, and could very well beat the PS2's record in a few years. Now if you're going to make a cheap game, would you bother making it for second and third place? That doesn't make much economic sense.Jerich0 said:fair enough, but if you google 'wii=casual' you'll come up with a hundred million angry fanboy rants, because...DrDeath3191 said:It's common, but I wouldn't call it knowledge.Jerich0 said:0.oDrDeath3191 said:Could you briefly explain how?Jerich0 said:wii gave us the shaft first....DrDeath3191 said:Dude. No More Heroes Desperate Struggle. Why isn't that up there?
Then we've got Silent Hill: Shattered Memories, Dead Space Extraction, Red Steel 2, New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Mario Galaxy 2...
You kinda gave the Wii the shaft.
i thought this was common knowledge...
well, nintendo pulled a switcheroo on its market... left us fans (this is the aforementioned 'us') wishing for more core games and catering to grammas and toddlers everywhere.
and casual gamers. how sad.
im not a nintendo guy anymore (i called it quits after resi 4 on the GC), but my first system was the N64 and it's annoying to see that what was once a powerhouse is now little more than a massive mini game collection, albeit with a few diamonds in the rough.
I've noticed this trend.APPCRASH said:I believe they should make the Search Bar bigger and in more places on the screen.
Also OT: Starcraft 2
well i suppose it wouldn't hurt to remain optimistic about the wii's future, but lets face facts: you said we've seen an entry into each of nintendo's big franchises. granted, there have been a couple mario games come out, but i can't think of any others with any more than one new game off the top of my head. if nintendo had been focusing on their moneymakers, we'd have a lot better games, and that library of yours would be bursting at the seams.DrDeath3191 said:Nintendo didn't pull a switcheroo: they're still making games that appeal to gamers. In fact, more so than last generation. We've seen an entry into almost every Nintendo franchise except Star Fox and F-Zero. Plus there's the quality 3rd party support from companies like Capcom, High Voltage, and Marvelous. If you're talking about shovelware being a problem, consider this: the Wii is the top-selling console of this generation, and could very well beat the PS2's record in a few years. Now if you're going to make a cheap game, would you bother making it for second and third place? That doesn't make much economic sense.Jerich0 said:fair enough, but if you google 'wii=casual' you'll come up with a hundred million angry fanboy rants, because...DrDeath3191 said:It's common, but I wouldn't call it knowledge.Jerich0 said:0.oDrDeath3191 said:Could you briefly explain how?Jerich0 said:wii gave us the shaft first....DrDeath3191 said:Dude. No More Heroes Desperate Struggle. Why isn't that up there?
Then we've got Silent Hill: Shattered Memories, Dead Space Extraction, Red Steel 2, New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Mario Galaxy 2...
You kinda gave the Wii the shaft.
i thought this was common knowledge...
well, nintendo pulled a switcheroo on its market... left us fans (this is the aforementioned 'us') wishing for more core games and catering to grammas and toddlers everywhere.
and casual gamers. how sad.
im not a nintendo guy anymore (i called it quits after resi 4 on the GC), but my first system was the N64 and it's annoying to see that what was once a powerhouse is now little more than a massive mini game collection, albeit with a few diamonds in the rough.
As to the whole 'casual' thing: the hardcore of the future have to start somewhere. Making the system accessible to everyone does not make the console less 'hardcore'. It allows people who feel threatened by a controller with 2 analog sticks, four buttons, a d-pad and four triggers to play games without feeling like they're alien. It's simple fun. If you don't like these minigame collections, that's absolutely fine. Don't purchase them, and you'll have no problem. Hell, it worked with me and I've got a Wii library of twenty-four games. And before you ask, there are only three which would qualify as 'minigame collections': Rayman Raving Rabbids, and the two Wii Sports titles. That number is going to increase greatly in these upcoming months.
The normal way for things to go is for a single entry into a franchise per console. We're going to see a third Metroid game, a second Zelda title, and a second and third Mario title on the Wii. That's flat-out extraordinary. Twenty-four titles is rather high given how young the console is. I still haven't picked up all of the titles I'm interested in that are out right now.Jerich0 said:Snip
i do agree with everything you just said, except the zelda; i think you misunderstood me. i'm saying that if nintendo so chooses, you won't have anything that even comes close to the zelda stories.DrDeath3191 said:The normal way for things to go is for a single entry into a franchise per console. We're going to see a third Metroid game, a second Zelda title, and a second and third Mario title on the Wii. That's flat-out extraordinary. Twenty-four titles is rather high given how young the console is. I still haven't picked up all of the titles I'm interested in that are out right now.Jerich0 said:Snip
Why casual gamers? Because they're not the ones who are already forking out money to buy their next Zelda title. Think about it: the average age of gamers is 18-35, or somewhere around there. When they leave that age group, chances are high that they won't be able to buy games as frequently anymore or won't have the same amount of interest. If that group ceases to exist without new blood to take its place, we will see the death of the gaming industry.
You insist that casual gamig will lead to the death of hardcore gaming? Why would companies not release their hardcore franchises if they sell as well as they have? The hardcore are being catered to quite nicely on Wii, and will continue to be so. The casuals have the titles they're interested in, so they're catered to as well. Do you suggest that because FPSs sell better that it's going to destroy the RPG? I don't think so.
As for that quip about the Zelda story: You're against a story with a protagonist, antagonist and motivation? Then you are against stories. You've greatly generalized the stories of Zelda, and the story hardly matters anyway because you're playing a game, not watching a movie. Gameplay has been and always will be the main focus of Zelda, Mario, and any other Nintendo franchise.
I remain optimistic of Nintendo's future because I play the games I enjoy on the console, like I do on any other console I own. There's no reason to fear.
They could choose to do that, but they won't. The hardcore gamer still buys their games, so they will continue to make them.Jerich0 said:i do agree with everything you just said, except the zelda; i think you misunderstood me. i'm saying that if nintendo so chooses, you won't have anything that even comes close to the zelda stories.DrDeath3191 said:The normal way for things to go is for a single entry into a franchise per console. We're going to see a third Metroid game, a second Zelda title, and a second and third Mario title on the Wii. That's flat-out extraordinary. Twenty-four titles is rather high given how young the console is. I still haven't picked up all of the titles I'm interested in that are out right now.Jerich0 said:Snip
Why casual gamers? Because they're not the ones who are already forking out money to buy their next Zelda title. Think about it: the average age of gamers is 18-35, or somewhere around there. When they leave that age group, chances are high that they won't be able to buy games as frequently anymore or won't have the same amount of interest. If that group ceases to exist without new blood to take its place, we will see the death of the gaming industry.
You insist that casual gamig will lead to the death of hardcore gaming? Why would companies not release their hardcore franchises if they sell as well as they have? The hardcore are being catered to quite nicely on Wii, and will continue to be so. The casuals have the titles they're interested in, so they're catered to as well. Do you suggest that because FPSs sell better that it's going to destroy the RPG? I don't think so.
As for that quip about the Zelda story: You're against a story with a protagonist, antagonist and motivation? Then you are against stories. You've greatly generalized the stories of Zelda, and the story hardly matters anyway because you're playing a game, not watching a movie. Gameplay has been and always will be the main focus of Zelda, Mario, and any other Nintendo franchise.
I remain optimistic of Nintendo's future because I play the games I enjoy on the console, like I do on any other console I own. There's no reason to fear.