Poll: Which version of Pokemon Black and White 2 are you getting?

[Smeggs]

My little brother is getting White, so I'm getting Black.

I still like Zekrom more, even if the physical orientation made him weaker than Reshiram in the originals.

I choose the one that doesn't include the new 150+ Pokemon.

What's that? The new versions do include those Pokemon and they didn't bother to include new Pokemon, not including previous Gen Pokemon, even though it's considered a sequel?

That's crazy!

No, it's pretty much standard since Gen 1 to have more than 2 games per generation. *points at Yellow, Crystal, Red and Blue remakes, Gold and Silver remakes*

Like I said, they are calling it a sequel, and not a third installment, which is what Black 2 and White 2 should have been, but they insist that it is a sequel because of the time skip and because they insist that it is not a third installment, despite all the evidence point to the contrary. The only true Pokemon sequel that has ever occurred in the handheld series is Pokemon Gold, Silver, and Crystal.

-The story is a continuation from the last game, following a new character and a completely different threat.
-New areas are revealed as others are cornered off by the apocalyptic power of Kyurem as it freezes entire sections of the Unova region in solid ice.
-You are now able to capture Pokemon of each previous region.
-New gym leaders and features.

Where, exactly do you get the idea this isn't a sequel? This has more new things in it than Gold, Silver, or Crystal did as sequels. The idea that a sequel needs to be an entirely new region with brand new Pokemon is flat out idiotic.

By that logic, Black and White would be sequels to Platinum, as you can fight Cynthia in them, and Platinum would be the prequel because in Platinum you can meet the Psychic E4 user for Unova in the Battle Castle.

 

[Ranorak]

Odd question maybe, but what is the difference between Black&white and Black&white 2?
So far they are the same mons?

Also, is it 3DS only?

 

[Smeggs]

Odd question maybe, but what is the difference between Black&white and Black&white 2?
So far they are the same mons?

Also, is it 3DS only?

It's only DS.

Look at my above post for what is different.

 

[loa]

White and Black 2 has a hard difficulty setting.

Hell yeah!

If you play through the story you get a shareable item which allows you to restart (or start) the game in hardmode

...hell no.

Why the hell make a difficulty setting so awkward to pick?
It forces people to erase their only savefile and that is terrible.
...
unless...
Please tell me there's more than 1 savefile now?
Or some other manner of not losing fucking everything you spent 40 hours to get upon restart?

 

[TimeLord]

Probably both eventually. I got White originally then Black a couple of months later. So I'll probably get Black 2 a little after White 2

 

[SD-Fiend]

I choose the one that doesn't include the new 150+ Pokemon.

What's that? The new versions do include those Pokemon and they didn't bother to include new Pokemon, not including previous Gen Pokemon, even though it's considered a sequel?

That's crazy!

No, it's pretty much standard since Gen 1 to have more than 2 games per generation. *points at Yellow, Crystal, Red and Blue remakes, Gold and Silver remakes*

Like I said, they are calling it a sequel, and not a third installment, which is what Black 2 and White 2 should have been, but they insist that it is a sequel because of the time skip and because they insist that it is not a third installment, despite all the evidence point to the contrary. The only true Pokemon sequel that has ever occurred in the handheld series is Pokemon Gold, Silver, and Crystal.

I don't get why you don't classify this as a sequel could you please explain? it adds new areas and the storyline is a continuation of the last so what's the problem?

Two important points:

The first is compare this game and that to any Gen 2 title (Gold, Silver, or Crystal). Gen 2 was essentially a sequel to Gen 1, as the story is a continuation from Gen 1, there are several new features that have become staples of the series (i.e. held items, shiny/colored Pokemon, breeding, etc.), there are new Pokeballs/methods of catching Pokemon, and yes, new Pokemon. On top of that, you can actually travel to the previous region and see the actual changes that occurred in the last 3 years since the previous Gen (which is a lot).

Now B2/W2 does take place 2 years after, but what are the changes? New areas in the same region, older Pokemon appearing the same region that were previously not there, and no mention of new Pokemon, Pokeballs, or Triple/Rotation battles? They are merely injecting older and favorable Pokemon and characters into the new region? Sorry, but that just sounds like third installment.

Which ties into the second point: when I first heard of the conception of B2/W2 the first thing that came to mind was Pokemon Platinum. This third installment was based on the same region, only that it took place with a different setting and a slightly different story. The characters had a different wardrobe to tie into the changing environment from the first game (and not as a color scheme like in Emerald). This game didn't include any new Pokemon, had new areas to explore, and was an improvement over the first two Gen 4 titles. They also capitalized on changing Formes for Pokemon (originally conceived in Gen 3) and is what distinguishes Platinum greatly from Diamond and Pearl. They didn't have anything new (in terms of gameplay or core mechanics) and was not considered a sequel.

I still don't get why this doesn't count as a sequel though.

These games are sequels because the story and protagonists are different than the last games and the changes to older areas aren't just aesthetic like Platinum adding snow to areas to show that the place is cold. In Platinum they simply updated the story to involve giratina and changed outfits But Black and White 2 involve different protagonists a different story and shows the development of certain areas(such as route 4 construction being finished or delayed depending on the version you have) and characters(Bianca is now an assistant instead of a trainer and Cheren is now a gym leader and some others have retired and left room for new leaders ). And If you can connect to either Black or White they even reference what happened 2 years ago.It's pretty much the same thing as the G/S/C it just doesn't have to move to a new region to explain what happened afterwards. And this game is still in the same Gen so they can't add things like that if they weren't in the first.
The game also has new distractions such as the Pokewood where you can star in movies and the world tournament that lets you battle gym leaders and champions from different regions as well as Join avenue which lets you buy things from other players that you've connected with.

 

[CrimsonBlaze]

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Sorry for the snip, but it was just getting too long.

Another thing, though. Game Freak lied to the players. The new protagonist were meant to be older (around their teens), but instead, according to B2/W2, they were actually 10 year-olds that looked like teenagers. I think the change foreshadows the possibility of Game Freak changing all sort of things in the future for both next Gen and previous Gen titles.

Next, Pokewood seems interesting and I don't really know much about it. I hope that it is not just a glorified Pokemon Musical.

The world tournament raises one of my points about needing to make the games more appealing by injecting older content (i.e. past Gen Pokemon from the get go, Gym Leaders and Champions, etc.). Again, not sure if this will be like the Gym Leader rematches form HG/SS or just a fancy Battle Frontier, or possibly both.

Again, they could have just called this B2/W2 a third or improved installment and no one would have ever considered it a sequel.

 

[deidara]

I want the Hard mode, but I already bought Black. Plus I want Latias. This is gonna be hard. (Not getting both.)

 

[SD-Fiend]

Snip

Sorry for the snip, but it was just getting too long.

Another thing, though. Game Freak lied to the players. The new protagonist were meant to be older (around their teens), but instead, according to B2/W2, they were actually 10 year-olds that looked like teenagers. I think the change foreshadows the possibility of Game Freak changing all sort of things in the future for both next Gen and previous Gen titles.

Next, Pokewood seems interesting and I don't really know much about it. I hope that it is not just a glorified Pokemon Musical.

The world tournament raises one of my points about needing to make the games more appealing by injecting older content (i.e. past Gen Pokemon from the get go, Gym Leaders and Champions, etc.). Again, not sure if this will be like the Gym Leader rematches form HG/SS or just a fancy Battle Frontier, or possibly both.

Again, they could have just called this B2/W2 a third or improved installment and no one would have ever considered it a sequel.

Where does it say that? it never actually give their ages in game it just says that they're older than usual.

Pokewood is rather different from the musicals. if you you want a mildly better explanation just look it up.
http://www.serebii.net/black2white2/pokestar.shtml

In the World tournament you have different cups to battle in such as the Kanto leader cup and the Champion cup in which you can battle the older leaders one after another.

And no they couldn't call it the third installment especially because there are 4 games not 3. It'd be like Squeenix releasing a FFVII remake in which you don't play as Cloud, most of the original characters are off somewhere else filling other roles, and Sephiroth is no longer the final boss because he's already dead. people would notice that the story is different from the last game.

 

[Smeggs]

No, they can't call it a third installment because IT FOLLOWS NEW PROTAGONISTS, HAS DIFFERENT AREAS, A DIFFERENT STORY, DIFFERENT POKEMON TO CAPTURE AND DIFFERENT FEATURES!

Trying to say it's a third game for the GenV game is ridiculous! People act like nothing has changed at all!

I wish I could just be totally blinded by my own displeasure of some random generation to completely ignore the fact that it's not the same game.

Oh wait, I can, because Platinum was the exact same as its predecessors and I loathed generation 4.

 

[FilipJPhry]

I'm getting B2 just for Black Kyurem. Dat 180 base attack.

 

[natster43]

Black 2 as I got Black originally, so I am going to keep with that set.

 

[CrimsonBlaze]

Snip

Sorry for the snip, but it was just getting too long.

Another thing, though. Game Freak lied to the players. The new protagonist were meant to be older (around their teens), but instead, according to B2/W2, they were actually 10 year-olds that looked like teenagers. I think the change foreshadows the possibility of Game Freak changing all sort of things in the future for both next Gen and previous Gen titles.

Next, Pokewood seems interesting and I don't really know much about it. I hope that it is not just a glorified Pokemon Musical.

The world tournament raises one of my points about needing to make the games more appealing by injecting older content (i.e. past Gen Pokemon from the get go, Gym Leaders and Champions, etc.). Again, not sure if this will be like the Gym Leader rematches form HG/SS or just a fancy Battle Frontier, or possibly both.

Again, they could have just called this B2/W2 a third or improved installment and no one would have ever considered it a sequel.

Where does it say that? it never actually give their ages in game it just says that they're older than usual.

Pokewood is rather different from the musicals. if you you want a mildly better explanation just look it up.
http://www.serebii.net/black2white2/pokestar.shtml

In the World tournament you have different cups to battle in such as the Kanto leader cup and the Champion cup in which you can battle the older leaders one after another.

And no they couldn't call it the third installment especially because there are 4 games not 3. It'd be like Squeenix releasing a FFVII remake in which you don't play as Cloud, most of the original characters are off somewhere else filling other roles, and Sephiroth is no longer the final boss because he's already dead. people would notice that the story is different from the last game.

I mention third installment in reference to a more polished, refined, and overall better version of a Gen after the initial release, not an actual number of titles in a Gen.

I guess I just don't see the need to get B2/W2 because it feels like more of the same to me. I didn't enjoy Gen 5 and these new games don't seem like they will be any different. Having older Pokemon in the region is just going to remind me how much better the previous versions were and the new features don't really support the sequel or forgive the poor performance of its predecessor.

Maybe, if they addressed/improved its short comings, it might be worth a look. But as of now, I don't see it happening. The only reason I'm strongly against these games is because I don't want a repeat performance that will continue to the future Gens. I don't believe that after four successful Gens that they would drop the ball and call it brilliance. Can we expect the same of Gen 6+? I hope not.

 

[Nexxis]

I might not be getting either, but we'll see. I bought pokemon black and I'm not even half way through it, yet. It feels a bit grindier than previous games, and I just haven't been in the mood to play it. I think my enthusiasm for pokemon is diminishing a bit over time. I can't keep up with all the new pokemon they add, lol.