Poll: Who is better at hip-hop?
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Not only does this thread seem very, very, very, racist, but also very ignorant.
You have listed many rap artists, but not all of them are hip-hop artists.
http://blogcritics.org/music/article/q-rap-vs-hip-hop-whats/
And hip-hop does not necessarily need rap. For example, take a subgenre spawned from hip-hop: Turntablism.
I listen and enjoy a lot of songs like this. I don't really take notice if the mixer/dj is white or black. I enjoy jungle, and breakbeat, but it isn't necessarily hip-hop. However, it isn't necessarily NOT hip-hop.
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And like I said, they aren't exactly hiphop but they have (a lot) of hip-hop influence in the drums...
You have listed many rap artists, but not all of them are hip-hop artists.
http://blogcritics.org/music/article/q-rap-vs-hip-hop-whats/
And hip-hop does not necessarily need rap. For example, take a subgenre spawned from hip-hop: Turntablism.
I listen and enjoy a lot of songs like this. I don't really take notice if the mixer/dj is white or black. I enjoy jungle, and breakbeat, but it isn't necessarily hip-hop. However, it isn't necessarily NOT hip-hop.
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And like I said, they aren't exactly hiphop but they have (a lot) of hip-hop influence in the drums...
interesting point. the link didnt provide a very satisfactory definition for hip-hop, but the video you provided seems very similar to drums and bass or glitch music. i guess my thread title is a little misleading. it should be hip-hop with the rap sub-genre.Valiance said:
again, i am very sorry for the unintentional racism. i'm just trying to learn a little more about the entire breadth of music and the artists that create it. i did not mean for anyone to take offense to this, but apparently i have failed.
How good you are at something is not related to your race. I have heard black, white, latino and slavic people who are good at hip-hop. I never heard asian hip-hop but i assume there's someone who does that well too.
Btw, isn't this racism in it's most basic form? Making assumptions of someone based on race?
Btw, isn't this racism in it's most basic form? Making assumptions of someone based on race?
ok, on this point, i disagree. the widely embraced assumption is that black artists produce better rap hip-hop. if that is racist, then i am deconstructing this particularly bit of racism. i am questioning whether this is true, the opposite is true, or neither. this thread is about music and its creative origins, not race. race just happens to be a statistic here, of no true relevance to the core of this thread.ChaoticKraus said:
It's alright. I don't/didn't mean to be a dick. Honestly, you'd probably gain more from cruising wikipedia than asking a gaming forum of all places about hip-hop. I don't really know much about it, but my brother was always really into it, so I was around and listened to it in the mid 90s, including the rise of southern rap. But basically, white and black is less of a style/change as opposed to east/west coast. Excluding the pure experimental/shock value rappers who tend to be white (Necro, Kool Keith), and the most mainstream pop-style successes (kayne west) who tend to be black I would hope/assume it's a pretty even distribution.Ashcrexl said:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. "the widely embraced assumption is that black artists produce better rap hip-hop" HAHAHAHAHA. Oh that's good. Let me get this straight, the reasoning behind your racist thread is because of a statement you pulled out of your arse that says black people are better at hip-hop music? Just...wow?Ashcrexl said:
look, the bottom line is it's all going to come down to personal preference, which is why i prefer to not listen to it. But in the rare occasion i do, the determining factor at whether or not i enjoy it has nothing to do with race, and more to do with how talented the "artist" in question is any good at what they do.
well, except for the eminem song "bagpipes from baghdad" while not inherently a good song, it holds a special place in my heart due to something awesome happening while it happened to be playing in a club in korea.
well, except for the eminem song "bagpipes from baghdad" while not inherently a good song, it holds a special place in my heart due to something awesome happening while it happened to be playing in a club in korea.
What on earth are you talking about? You're saying this is about music and it's creative orginings and not race? That race has no relevance to the thread? Did you forget what you wrote in your own OP?Ashcrexl said:
I really don't know how to reply to without sounding like an asshole. Oh and i would argue that in the wake of people like Pun and Eminem most people don't assume black people make the best hip-hop.Ashcrexl said:
it's not. when people say things like "the chinese are overtaking us economically" are they saying chinese people are inherently better at economics and industry? no. that statement is an issue for economists to study, not sociologists.ChaoticKraus said:
i know this thread has a tangential basis in race, but so many people are missing the point and putting too much weight on one very small aspect of the question. racism is such a controversial and hot topic in modern american society that this isnt really surprising.
im starting to think this whole thread was a bad idea. a simple question. with infinitely complex implications. maybe not. i've learned a lot today (while i should be studying for finals) and for that, i'd say it was worth it.
Your question is on dangerous grounds, my friend.
Besides, when it comes to hip-hop we're talking about quality, not race.
I can give you the names of great black, hispanic, white, etc hip-hop artists.
And honestly, i don't care about who's better, i just care for this music to reach me. That's all. I care about the lyrics, the melody, not about the artist.
Besides, when it comes to hip-hop we're talking about quality, not race.
I can give you the names of great black, hispanic, white, etc hip-hop artists.
And honestly, i don't care about who's better, i just care for this music to reach me. That's all. I care about the lyrics, the melody, not about the artist.
I"m pretty sure that this is a big part of this.Ashcrexl said:
JUst cause you dont like somoene doesnt mean they're not good at it. I dont like eminem, but i cant say he sucks for it.
And no, race doesnt decide talent.