Poll: Who IS buying the Xbox One?

[baconmaster]

Here's another reason I won't be buying an Xbox One.

I have internet, so I SHOULD have no problems meeting the "check-in once a day" thing, right? Here's the thing: When I bought current generation consoles, it took me months to get them to play nice with my internet. I don't know why they wouldn't work, they just didn't. If that happens with the Xbox One, I'm stuck with a $500 paperweight.

The other thing is, when I'm at university, I can only use their internet. I'm not going to pay for my own when I have a good connection already. Last semester, the internet went down for quite a while. Once again, I'm stuck with an expensive paperweight, and this time my only choice is to hope that somebody else fixes it soon

In both of these cases I'd have everything I needed to play my games, but I wouldn't be able to play any of them.

 

[GAunderrated]

So saying that anyone who doesn't agree with you is biased shows your bias. Hope that clears it up for you

sure, and maybe you could spread the word among those who do not support the xbone that supporting it does not equal bias either...

oh wait, that would be almost like no double standard...

Are you seriously trying a red herring after I nicely tried to explain to you my point? My god man please get some perspective. There is nothing else to discuss here as you refuse to have a discussion.

Edit: since I am confident that you have no clue what a red herring is here is a link for the definition for you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring

 

[Colt47]

Why is it that the people who are buying the Xbox One don't realize that the manditory kinect is a really bad idea? There is no way to voice lock the commands, so someone could be playing a game or watching a movie and if some person shouts something from another room, they could shut down the system or do all sorts of weird things. Heck, what happens when someone says "Xbox" and then another audio source says some phrase immediately after, like "let's go home"?

The only thing Microsoft stated is that it can be shut off. They didn't say it could be shut down while the system is in operation.

 

[BlackJimmy]

As a 360 Fanboy... No. I'm not.
I don't appreciate being treated like a criminal.
All there features are restrictions and noone in my house plays games but me so the whole family sharing thing doesn't appeal to me.
The only exclusives I'd be interested in are Halo 5, Project Spark and Titanfall and that last one is on PC so I can get that anyway.
The main downside is that now I have to buy and replay all the Dragon Age game on PC so I can import my saves :/

EDIT: They probably release a version of the XBox One in about a year with, at least, the Kinect taken out and hopefully the always on rubbish too gone too. Perhaps I'll get that.

 

[thewatergamer]

Are you crazy? I wouldn't touch the Xbone with a 10 foot pole
and neither will my friends

 

[Timmey]

Good to see 85 people so far that aren't swayed by rumor, understand how the DRM actually works, and arent tinfoil pants on head paranoid...

Rumors? which rumors are these? Confirmed rubbish DRM schemes? Confirmed 100 Dollars more expensive than then PS4? confirmed mandatory kinect? Confirmed internet connection required even for single player?

Personally I would say im disappointed 90 people are willing to invest in such a shite product, the only way Microsoft will learn is by failing, hopefully this will be the case.

 

[Colt47]

Why is it that the people who are buying the Xbox One don't realize that the manditory kinect is a really bad idea? There is no way to voice lock the commands, so someone could be playing a game or watching a movie and if some person shouts something from another room, they could shut down the system or do all sorts of weird things. Heck, what happens when someone says "Xbox" and then another audio source says some phrase immediately after, like "let's go home"?

The only thing Microsoft stated is that it can be shut off. They didn't say it could be shut down while the system is in operation.

your post is pure speculation.

I have a Kinect now. I don't have that problem with it even though its always listening for voice commands in games that I have that support them and when I'm streaming something like GOT on HBOGO. The new kinect is more refined and if we're going to be speculating i'll choose to speculate that it won't function worse than the one i have now, LOL.

It's not speculation when people actually have the problem with the current Kinect. Source being my old college floor mate and others. It largely depends on what kind of crowd one has around them whether the issue pops up or not.

 

[Genocidicles]

I've been using Steam for 7.5 years, Xbox1 does nothing new that Steam hasn't been doing for ages.

But the xbone has all of the downsides of Steam and none of the benefits.

Plus, Valve won't eventually take Steam down to make a Steam 2, and make you buy all your games again. The xbone's servers on the other hand will be taken offline eventually, making all of your games worthless because the console needs the asinine 24 hour check up.

 

[Timmey]

Good to see 85 people so far that aren't swayed by rumor, understand how the DRM actually works, and arent tinfoil pants on head paranoid...

Rumors? which rumors are these? Confirmed rubbish DRM schemes? Confirmed 100 Dollars more expensive than then PS4? confirmed mandatory kinect? Confirmed internet connection required even for single player?

Personally I would say im disappointed 90 people are willing to invest in such a shite product, the only way Microsoft will learn is by failing, hopefully this will be the case.

Heh, yea pretty much those.

i'll take them in order.

1. rubbish DRM. Yea, rumor. I guess you still don't understand how little it will impact how I play games, or how awesome the sharing feature really is. Debunked for those who get info from places other than the biased-ass escapist columnists.

2. 100s more expensive. Not really a rumor, but then, you get more. And in the long run, I'm likely to spend less on mine given the awesome ability to play a friends game without having to buy it or pay a fee.

3. Mandatory kinect. Debunked. Its not required 24/7 or for all games, it can be turned off.

4. mandatory internet connection. Debunked in the cases of some games, For example, Killer Instinct will have an offline mode, Forza dev stated Forza will have offline mode.

As more people get educated on the real facts about this thing more people will buy it. Its going to do just fine, and I love that you hate that, lol.

1 - This is still not a rumor, something not effecting you doesn't make it a rumor, It's a fact you are required to log on once every 24 hours, if you don't have internet connection this is a problem, how can you argue against this?

2 - not sure how 'you get more' appears if i bought an Xbox one over a PS4 i would be getting alot less.

3 - It is mandatory, it ships with the console, how can this be anything but mandatory, do you know what mandatory means?

4 - Source please, haven't heard anything about offline modes offered?

Please link me some source's for these things you are trying to debunk, as of yet I haven't heard anything about what you are claiming. And you are correct, I do not like Microsoft's approach to this console, and it does annoy me people are willing to put up with it, still, perhaps they will change their minds.

 

[Genocidicles]

1. rubbish DRM. Yea, rumor. I guess you still don't understand how little it will impact how I play games, or how awesome the sharing feature really is. Debunked for those who get info from places other than the biased-ass escapist columnists.

Read this:

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/connected

"With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies. "

So there is DRM, and it will affect you no matter how good your internet is.

Servers get taken down for maintenance.

Servers get taken down by hackers.

Servers get taken down permanently when the people running them are no longer making a profit.

So when the xbox two (or whatever the next console will be called) is released, expect Microsoft to turn off the xbone's servers. Making your console into an overly expensive blu-ray player. All your xbone games will become worthless as well, considering Microsoft isn't bothered about backwards compatibility any more, so don't expect to play them on the xbox two.

2. 100s more expensive. Not really a rumor, but then, you get more. And in the long run, I'm likely to spend less on mine given the awesome ability to play a friends game without having to buy it or pay a fee.

Oh yeah, having to pay extra for a stupid camera that no one wants. You might like being spied on, and controlling games by flailing your arms around like a spastic chimp, but not everyone does.

3. Mandatory kinect. Debunked. Its not required 24/7 or for all games, it can be turned off.

It can be turned off, yes. It does have to remain plugged in for the console to functional though, which is suspicious. If you can turn it off, why does it have to remain plugged in? Unless it's not really off?

Considering Microsoft was one of the companies providing data to the NSA, there is plenty of reason to think the kinect is spying on you, especially when it has to be plugged in all the time.

4. mandatory internet connection. Debunked in the cases of some games, For example, Killer Instinct will have an offline mode, Forza dev stated Forza will have offline mode.

The games don't require an internet connection, but the console needs a once a day online check-in. So you can't go 100% offline on the console.

 

[Peps]

Picky about evidence? I'm sorry, but when it relates to something as serious as the claim that used games are KILLING the industry, why in the hell shouldn't we expect people to be able to provide evidence? I can't believe that anyone would be simply willing to take someone's word over such a massively important issue.

Again, if they have done the research, why aren't they showing it to us? What do they have to gain from hiding it?

Also, once again you're expecting me to explain and provide evidence for a claim I have never made. I have never said used games are beneficial to developers, so why are you demanding I explain why they are?.

You are constantly bringing strawmen into this. This discussion is extremely simple, you claimed used games are killing the industry, I asked you to prove it. That's it. Either you provide proof that isn't just conjecture or you admit that there is no actual evidence.

Until you do one or the other, I see no point in continuing this circular discussion.

So instead, you're demanding that developers reveal their trade secrets and account transactions and budgets to prove that used games are destroying their business and making it far more riskier to try new ideas and to charge cheap prices? Why on earth can you not accept what developers have to say? You do realise why companies never publish detailed records of their budgets and how exactly they're conducting their research right? Why are you being so paranoid? Feel free to give me evidence of your argument.

You're argument is the same as trying to justify that making piracy legal doesn't kill game developers either. But regardless, it's getting completely away from the original argument. The fact of the matter is, is that you will get cheaper games and more exclusives on a platform that forbids used games than one that allows them, as Steam and other platforms have proven for years.

Prove to me that consumers are not rational, and will go for the more expensive option.

Yea, hi. Ok, it's been fun watching you two banter, but I can easily give one example for you right now. Using a game already cited earlier. Witchher 2. Ok, there are many people playing it pirated, but many people also buy the game so, if the consumer as a whole will always go for the cheaper option then how do you explain the people buying it new even though there is a seemingly readily available free/ cheap pirate version available for them to play?

People aren't usually aware of all of their options, or there are some other circumstances that affect a small subset of people. For example, some people might have a terrible internet connection, and might have no choice but to buy in store. Very simple really. But you're trying to argue against fundamental economic theories here, and you're trying to state that they are wrong. When circumstances are identical, and consumers are aware of their options,

Um... Since when did I try stating they're wrong? I simply gave you a valid example to something you suggested. And as for not aware of their options, I was aware. I knew it was being pirated. If I had chosen to search for it I could have easily gotten my hands on a free pirated copy but no, I bought it, new. Because I chose to. As did all of my friends who play it. As does at least one of my friends who has never even bought preowned when the option was available. So clearly no, the consumer as a whole does Not always go for the cheapest option. Yes, lots do, I often buy mine preowned, but even when the option is available I don't pirate. Thus meaning that even being aware of all my options I for one do not always go for the cheapest option, and being part of the being that is the general consumer you cannot tar everyone with the same brush. Not everyone goes for the cheapest option thus "the consumer" cannot do anything as a whole. Part of the consumer basis can, but not as a whole.

I do believe I am done with this argument though. It is useless arguing with someone who uses broad generalities with such conviction.

I stated economic laws that prove that piracy is easily beaten by offering a superior product for the value. You attempted to give a counter to prove that people will still pirate, therefore suggesting you are trying to prove the economic laws wrong. Even in your response, you just said the consumer doesn't always go for the cheaper option, again, trying to dismiss economic laws as false, as the bolded text clearly shows.

And as I stated, there are several factors that determine a consumers purchase, such as ignorance, convenience or brand name. But at a fundamental level, when two products are identical, yet one is cheaper, there is no logical reason to go for the more expensive product. Yet, that's precisely what you're suggesting by saying "the consumer as a whole does not always go for the cheapest option", completely ignoring the that I said there are other factors.

 

[Timmey]

Good to see 85 people so far that aren't swayed by rumor, understand how the DRM actually works, and arent tinfoil pants on head paranoid...

Rumors? which rumors are these? Confirmed rubbish DRM schemes? Confirmed 100 Dollars more expensive than then PS4? confirmed mandatory kinect? Confirmed internet connection required even for single player?

Personally I would say im disappointed 90 people are willing to invest in such a shite product, the only way Microsoft will learn is by failing, hopefully this will be the case.

Heh, yea pretty much those.

i'll take them in order.

1. rubbish DRM. Yea, rumor. I guess you still don't understand how little it will impact how I play games, or how awesome the sharing feature really is. Debunked for those who get info from places other than the biased-ass escapist columnists.

2. 100s more expensive. Not really a rumor, but then, you get more. And in the long run, I'm likely to spend less on mine given the awesome ability to play a friends game without having to buy it or pay a fee.

3. Mandatory kinect. Debunked. Its not required 24/7 or for all games, it can be turned off.

4. mandatory internet connection. Debunked in the cases of some games, For example, Killer Instinct will have an offline mode, Forza dev stated Forza will have offline mode.

As more people get educated on the real facts about this thing more people will buy it. Its going to do just fine, and I love that you hate that, lol.

1 - This is still not a rumor, something not effecting you doesn't make it a rumor, It's a fact you are required to log on once every 24 hours, if you don't have internet connection this is a problem, how can you argue against this?

2 - not sure how 'you get more' appears if i bought an Xbox one over a PS4 i would be getting alot less.

3 - It is mandatory, it ships with the console, how can this be anything but mandatory, do you know what mandatory means?

4 - Source please, haven't heard anything about offline modes offered?

Please link me some source's for these things you are trying to debunk, as of yet I haven't heard anything about what you are claiming. And you are correct, I do not like Microsoft's approach to this console, and it does annoy me people are willing to put up with it, still, perhaps they will change their minds.

LoL, no, do you own homework, or don't.

I highly doubt your bias would allow you to absorb the facts anyway.

So you can't cite me any evidence, nor did you address any of my rebuttals, obvious blank is obvious, fill in the blanks.

 

[Zydrate]

Interesting... poll... choices?

I never get consoles upon release anyway, not enough income (Read: None) to do that.
I estimate I might get a next-gen one or two years after they come out. And if Xbox One's problems aren't rectified, I'll be going for a ps4.