Poll: Who is in the right here?
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This isn't the entire topic (maybe EA has censored something), but at least "Elite Norsk's" comment is shown as someone has quoted him http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/7667279.page#17811504. Now I must say he was being very rude towards another user. I agree with him being banned from the forums, but EA is going too far in denying access to his games.
So if you had an option "both", I would vote
So if you had an option "both", I would vote
In a small way I agree that if he did harass people IN GAME (though he denies it in the provided link) the community would at least be better off without him, however this sort of banning business is still wrong and a very slippery slope... Start off with actual offenders now, end up with all sorts of excuses to ban people and then allow them the "redeem" themselves with money...gof22 said:
Well that's a bit overly dramatic I admit but the point is: I don't think it's EA:s right to ban people of playing a game they bought regardless of what they do in forums or in game. I have no idea how the law is here, but on all other levels it's just sooo wrong. I could maybe, just maybe digest banning from EA:s own online service (but never a permanent ban, always temporary), but they should never, NEVER ban people from using the game "on their own".
Sorry but this customer paid real money to play several EA games. That's entirely his fault. Why does anyone expect fairness or reason or any slightly human reaction from EA. What he does in Forums doesn't really matter to me. The fact that he paid for several EA games does. That's THE problem.
Yes, we are entitled to our own opinions. I agree. Harassing someone because they have a different opinion is something else entirely. I may not totally agree with him being banned from the game (unless there is proof he did harass people in the game as well) but I do agree with him being banned from using the forum.agentorange98 said:
Plainly incorrect. Unless I've read something wrong, they haven't come into his house and physically taken the game from him. That would be theft. What they have done here is refuse to continue to provide a service to him. And it appears that they have done so within the terms of the service agreemnt. If what they have done is outside of the contract, then that would be a breach of contract, but still not a crime, and it absolutely would not be theft.RicoADF said:
Anyway, I wouldnt' be surprised if he's being light on the details. For example, it was said that he was banned for multiple harrasments, so I'd probably bet that he's said something a bit worse than he has let on.
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EA is in the right. He agreed to the ToU and then broke them. And he was a complete ass.
"Seen any Israely or American jets flying by, lately?.. If not, you will, soon.. .BF3 is hitting your home soon, in real life.. Full 3D support."
His comment was towards a dude from Iran who managed to get a copy of the game. Fuck this guy.
They've taken payment for games then at a later stage taken away ability to play said games, so they either owe him a refund (or part refund) or they ripped him off. EULA as stated is still questionable in its weight in court, and if challenged in a case like this he could plausibly win.DRobert said:
That's not to say what he did was right, but they should have only taken his forum privliges away, not suspended account thus taking away access to his games that he paid for.
If he was warned prior to this, fine. He could have cleaned up his act.
But out of the blue? AND his games aren't playable now? Bullshit.
Unless he can make a new account, and link it to the games he had purchased, than this isn't right.
My vote: Customer
But out of the blue? AND his games aren't playable now? Bullshit.
Unless he can make a new account, and link it to the games he had purchased, than this isn't right.
My vote: Customer
Anyone see that southpark episode , where kyle didn't read apples term of agreement? Yup it's Pretty much this. The guy should count himself lucky that EA didn't decide to make him their *****. So EA is right . Trust me that last sentence was hard to write.
I tend to think of it this way, if your a prick on the forums, you loss access to the forums... if your a prick in the game, you loss access to the game. (the online game anyways, he can still play single player i'd assume.)
I don't understand how being a prick in the forums means you lose access to the game, and OTHER ea games you own though. That's too far. The punishment must IMO fit the crime.
I don't understand how being a prick in the forums means you lose access to the game, and OTHER ea games you own though. That's too far. The punishment must IMO fit the crime.
When you pay for a service, your still bound by the rules of the service. If you pay to get into an amusment park, are a total PRICK in the park, they can kick you out, and don't owe you a refund. That's perfectly fair and reasonable.RicoADF said:
Now granted, this guy was a prick on the forums and was kicked out of the game... I'm not sure i'm cosure with that. It'd be like being kicked out of one park, then being banned from the local ceniplex. Just because the parent company is the same.... I'm not sure that's "right" but i'm pretty sure it's prolly legal...
It's completely legal!(isn't that what Nic Cage said in Lord of War? okay, so maybe he was lying a bi there. still...)
Nope, it is not fair. But that doesn't mean they aren't allowed to do it.
Nope, it is not fair. But that doesn't mean they aren't allowed to do it.
It depends what exactly he said and what exactly he was banned from. If he was really shouting some massively hateful and offensive stuff then I think it's okay that he was banned from online play, since they should be allowed to kick people like that out of their online community. Or if they had the option they could make it so his communications are blocked with everyone he plays online with. But they can't stop him from playing offline, no matter what he said. And if he was just in a MW vs. Battlefield fanboy flame war then he shouldn't have got punished at all. He may have said something angry and stupid but as long as it wasn't actually hateful to any particular person then they shouldn't be allowed to do anything.
From a business standpoint. EA. They made the rules he broke it so they gave him a fitting punishment.
From a moral standpoint he is. Banning him from all of his games is in the extreme.
Of course there's one problem with all of this. We're only getting his side of the story. He's saying "I'm a nice guy in game!" but he's racked up three violations on the forums alone so there's no telling how much of a "nice guy" he really is.
EA won't speak about any violations of his so we'll never know if the three violations on the forums were it alone or if those three were the final straw.
From a moral standpoint he is. Banning him from all of his games is in the extreme.
Of course there's one problem with all of this. We're only getting his side of the story. He's saying "I'm a nice guy in game!" but he's racked up three violations on the forums alone so there's no telling how much of a "nice guy" he really is.
EA won't speak about any violations of his so we'll never know if the three violations on the forums were it alone or if those three were the final straw.
I would have advocated for suspension rather than outright ban. Suspend his right to play online for a few weeks and he will more than likely think twice about being a douche online next time.