Poll: Who is more evil, EA or Activision?

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xXAsherahXx

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Activision is the more annoying. EA may spam Madden like it's a disease, but they release a lot of good games like Mass Effect to even things out. Activision has no shame. Even if the story of any game ends, they figure out how to make a sequel to it. Take Prototype. I love the game, but the story ended, so Activision decided to shit out another one. They also release another Spider-Man every year, and wouldn't shut up with Guitar Hero. It should have gone until the DLC age and then stopped, only releasing new songs, not new games.

I don't really have a huge problem with either though.
 

Sebster 105

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HEY GUYS
CALL OF DUTY IS FUN
TROLOL,
on a serious note in 2008 it'd be EA but now it's Activision because they've cancelled all other franchises other than CoD

Guitar Hero noo

The cow is still fat
 

Lloyd O Siadhail

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I dislike Activision because, Blizzard Entertainment used to be a humble company before they merged with Activision. Activision brought Blizzard store to the front and sold out the dedicated hard-core player achievements within the bracket of hard core raiding for a simple 20 dollars to a casual WoW player. All there money scheming ideas had a disastrous effect on the community as a whole, from the Faction change to the Name Change.

Blizzard Entertainment said at one of the first Blizzcon's. That they first released World of Warcraft that they had no intentions that they were going to EVER give the player the chance of changing Factions,Gender change, Server Transfer and also Name Change this is all Activisions fault. Which changed the society of World of Warcraft as a whole cause everyone weren't safe anymore a simple few dollars/euro is all the player needed to change there name change there faction or go to another server if they. Scammed multipliable of players and then move on to there next unsuspecting victims.

Due to Activisions business mind they will probably push on Blizzard to even grant high level characters for a certain amount of cash from a customer/player. They are already on there way with the Recruit A friend feature but dont count me wrong it a good idea but not everyone will use this feature for entertainment sake! The power-leveling/gold selling company's are only been fueled by this feature for there own profitable growth. Making Blizzard losing out on there forever case of combating the gold sellers and powerlevelers on are servers...

With the announcement of another Call of Duty game was good to hear story wise cause everything hopefully will tie up together making a good transition from MW2 to MW3. But whats annoyed me is that activision is releasing the Elite CoD version at a price, with EA they even said at E3 that they would like people to try out there beta version of Battlefield 3 and were very open about it. But with MW3 no meaning to going on the hate here just some facts, MW3 is going back to the style of COD 4 which is good cause it was the best one, but Battlefield 3 will have 3 times the amount of DLC, then Battlefield: Bad Company 2. Which hopefully wont be reskinned versions of there previous games and incorporate them.

This is just my two cents.
 

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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people the Mass Effect series was good. His second greatest trick was convincing people of the same for the rest of Bioware's shitty, godawful games. I blame EA for that.

Fuck you, EA.
 
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Vault boy Eddie said:
This thread should be called, "Battlefield fans will say Activision, CoD fans will say EA."
Well a lot of original CoD fans like myself will says Activision because they have more or less destroyed a possibly great franchise and marketed it into mediocrity and blandness.

OT: Activision.
 

Vault boy Eddie

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Being one of the original CoD fans myself, I agree with this. I mean shit, I still have the original PC gamer demo of the very first CoD game ever somewhere in my room.
 

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EA, every game they touch (Buy out) becomes crap, they buy a developer or their franchaise then they give out a sequel to it, that is so bad you want to cry and then when the game didnt get as popular as they wanted, they shut down all production.
Then they give out a game that becomes popular, and yes it was a bit fun, a lot of packages is released to it to make it last longer and so far there is nothing really wrong, then a sequel comes out, and almost all the things added in packages in the first game is gone, and then they release the same content packages just for the sequel instead, and then come up with some more, then a sequel is released to the sequel and again they bring nothing from the packages of the earlier games and instead slowly releases those as content packages. And now they have plans for another sequel, My my....

Well, I hope Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 3 will at least be good. You never know, the curse can be lifted.

And for all those that say Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 2: Fantasy edition... I mean Dragon Age 2 was good, Yes(To the first), It was. But it could easily had been a lot better, especially in areas where bioware usually excels. Like Story and character designs.

Oh, and for all that "Corps aint evil" "It's just buisness" There is making money, and kicking a cow to get milk, and if you don't like the taste of that last cup of milk mixed with blood, you kick it until it dies.
 

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EA has been improving. They allowed a new IP; Mirror's Edge, lowered their DRM usage, supported PC gaming, and some other things. I don't think their games are often that good, but as a publisher, taking their opinions, beliefs and methods into account, I certainly like them more.

That said, I tend to have more fun with COD4 than Battlefield games.
 

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For some reason I got more of the hate nerve against Activsion than EA.

EA used to be THE EVIL but now they seem to gone softer, not much better but softer. Only thing i like about those two is that they have money to re-pump in to games industry

Although Ubisoft seem like they trying out for top spot (I did have some really bad anger-management issues then i stopped playing Assassins creed 2 and HAWX 2.... that always-online-DRM scheme messed up a keyboard or two, lost 2h boring grinding once and the keyboard took a timeout then) soo yeah you should probably have had Ubi there and just for fun Valve...
 

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tomme69 said:
Phlakes said:
Stop it.

There are no "evil" corporations.

There are just corporations. EA and Activision both do what's good for business, because, you know, THEY'RE BUSINESSES. If they did exactly what the fans wanted they would be run into the ground and dirt poor. I know people get that feeling of self-importance when they complain about the "evil corporations", but it's no better than conspiracy theories. So grow up.

...On a more related note, Activision.
If they did exactly what the fans, wanted then would they sell more games . . .
But the fans (for the most part) don't know what makes a good game. Same goes for any fan of anything. I mean look at fan fiction. If the film industry only did what the audience wanted, we would have major production of Mary Sue's self insertion erotic thriller Barney fic.

Well, it's the same principle. The games would probably suck. And then they would probably be out of business. Emphasis on probably.
 

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Scizophrenic Llama said:
People keep saying EA murdered Bioware, but if Activision was publishing Bioware, we'd have Mass Effect 1, 2, 3, 4, ME: Trading Card Game, Mass Effect: Future Warfare, and Guitar Hero: Mass Effect(I'd put that right around before GH died) with Mass Effect 5 and Mass Effect: Online in development. Bioware finally gets fed up with it and decides they won't take this shit anymore and Activision replaces them with Treyarch.
Activision is starting to make it a habit to run a game into the ground, beat it's corpse to ensure all of the money has fallen out of it, and then run off to the next one to repeat the process.
THIS...
Mass Effect 2 has some things that were not as good as Mass Effect 1, but that is a long way to saying it was a bad game, or that EA is evil and the only reason for the shortcomings.

Lets review each company, shall we?
EA Activision
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Battlefield Call of Duty
Rock Band Guitar Hero
Skate Tony Hawks
Old Republic World of Warcraft
Red Alert 3 Starcraft 2
Mass Effect nothing
FIFA nothing
Madden nothing
Brutal Legend nothing (Not sequalizable... fired them, then sue them)
Burnout nothing
Need for Speed Blur (didn't sell, studio was closed)

One created and promoted new IP (Brutal Legend, Dead Space, Mirrors Edge, Skate and Dragon Age, for example), and its Partners programs allowed some games like Bulletstorm, Portal 2, Crysis 2 and Alice; while the other one focuses in games licensed from movies and squished IP dry (Tony Hawks, Guitar Hero). Although I don't think anything other than people can be labeled as "evil", I prefer EA over Activision.
 

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EA without a shadow of a doubt. I've never really had much trouble with Activision, a few niggles here and there. But every game I get from EA is just 7 massive headaches all at once for days on end. What a mess.
 

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xXDeMoNiCXx said:
Vault boy Eddie said:
This thread should be called, "Battlefield fans will say Activision, CoD fans will say EA."
I'm a Battlefield fan and I chose EA.
Good for you, I was generalizing for the fanboys that will follow a company no matter what. Thought that was plainly obvious.
 

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They aren't evil. They are profit driven.

Look, a business magnate bribing government officials to steal public water for use in factories is evil because water is a life necessity. An energy monopoly pointlessly increasing energy rates to the point where little old ladies freeze to death in a cold snap is evil.

A video game publisher increasing the price of a VIDEO GAME? Evil? You're gonna call that "Evil"? That's not evil. Heartless? Cold? Maybe (but if you ever thought that a video game publisher was supposed to be your friend... well I don't know what to say).

And besides "Because they publish some of my favourite games" is not a valid, logical point. If their business practices are the same (and in general, they operate in a very similar way) then they are both equally "evil".

For life necessities, I am a semi-socialist. The poor (especially poor kids) do not deserve to die or be denied an education, and the rich can certainly afford to pay a bit more in taxes to accommodate public services (which they might have to depend upon one day themselves. Just because you are rich now, doesn't mean you are rich forever. You won't believe the amount of millionaires who blow their entire fortune then turn to the same public welfare services they so relentlessly despised when they were rich).

But when it comes to life's luxuries I am entirely, absolutely, utterly, ruthlessly capitalist. You don't NEED video games to have a good life. You Don't - no one has died or has been prevented from having a good job and family due to video games (in fact, quite the opposite - video games have killed (very few) people, ruined (quite a lot of) families and destroyed (a staggering amount) jobs due to addiction).

Video games are made by the developer and published by the publisher. They made the game. You didn't. You didn't have to lift one measly finger to make the game. What right do you have to DEMAND that they provide it at a price YOU find pleasing? What moral or legal right do you have to the game? You don't have any. Not one. If you don't like the price..... don't buy the game. You know that's an option. You know you DON'T have to buy the game if you don't like the price/content/publisher.

A Porsche dealer charges far more for their car than the cost of manufacturing, and no one raises a bit of fuss. It's seen as normal that a luxury car costs a lot. Games are an entertainment luxury - they are not the only form of entertainment (although they are a particularly good form of entertainment) and they certainly aren't the most expensive forms of entertainment and leisure (holiday and air travel top that list). But I don't find anyone angrily demanding that the airline provide the tickers cheaper and accuse Qantas or Delta of being "evil", even when, when you really think about it, air-travel should be more of a "right" than video games (I don't actually think air-travel, except for medical or political reasons, is a right).

I don't like the way Activision treated IW. Was Activision legally wrong in denying the bonuses to IW? Probably. Maybe. I don't know, I haven't read the employee contracts, and I'll bet, neither have you. We'll have to wait for the court-case. But don't pretend that EA wouldn't do exactly the same thing.

All companies want to make money. That's their purpose. That's why they were made. A lot of developers want to make games AND money - that's why they got jobs as developers. They sink a lot of money into making these games - I don't think you actually have an appreciation of the sheer amount of money that is needed to make modern day games the way most people like - you can say "well what the modern market wants is STUPID", but it's still want the modern market wants and developers cater to the modern market - they don't have a legal or moral imperative to cater to the whims of a small and diminishing segment of the market, because that makes no business sense, and like it or not, video game developers DON'T RUN ON FAIRY DUST! Or Fan appreciation Emails! Or Wishful thoughts! You can't pay your lead programmer in fanboy points or community love - they've got families and houses and mortgages and they need to do grocery shopping to! You know, because they need to eat!

Let me put it another way: You don't NEED to go to Disney land. Do you have a RIGHT to demand that Disney give you tickets at a cheaper price then they are being sold at? Why can a luxury car dealer be allowed to make a big profit selling an unnecessary product that is not needed for life, liberty or happiness, yet a video game developer can't?

The video game community has this bizarre, weird feeling of entitlement. You are not entitled to games YOU DID NOT MAKE YOURSELF. End of story. The maker and the publisher has the right to charge what they want for THEIR CREATION, especially when said creation is A LUXURY (a luxury in the sense that you don't need it to have a good life. Plenty of people have never played Video Games in their entire life and are juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust fine!)

I agree, if you don't like the price, don't buy the game! I didn't buy Black Ops for the initial Australian selling price, because it was way too expensive. I didn't go on a populist rant about how evil the company was, I just said "nope, too expensive" and I waited for a better deal (ended up buying a legit steam version for 40 dollars a week after release, thanks to people in Eastern Europe).

I am not saying that you just pay whatever activision prices their games at! I am saying that you DON'T HAVE TO BUY THE GAME! If you think it's too expensive, don't buy it! But Activision aren't being "Evil". Gaddafi, he's evil. Bobby Kotick? Not so much.
 

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RatRace123 said:
Without a doubt, Activision. EA used to be the crown king of all that is evil in the gaming world, but now that title belongs to Activision.
Dumping new IPs if they're not franchise worthy, yearly sequels.

And of course, what they did to Spyro.
KILL IT!
 

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tomme69 said:
Phlakes said:
Stop it.

There are no "evil" corporations.

There are just corporations. EA and Activision both do what's good for business, because, you know, THEY'RE BUSINESSES. If they did exactly what the fans wanted they would be run into the ground and dirt poor. I know people get that feeling of self-importance when they complain about the "evil corporations", but it's no better than conspiracy theories. So grow up.

...On a more related note, Activision.
If they did exactly what the fans, wanted then would they sell more games . . .
No fanbases are unpleasable. You try to please one fan and you alienate another.

Prime example the Zelda fanbase: Ocarina of Time came out and was well recieved. Majora's Mask came next and people called it a rehash. Then Windwaker, people complained it wasn't like Ocarina. Finally Twilight Princess, people complained it was too much like Ocarina.
See also Transformers and Pokemon.
 

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I don't think either of them are evil, but I'll just say Activision is worse, if only because I don't really care about either company. I fully support EA's attempts to get money back through project ten dollar, and I never had to deal with their DRM because I won't be going digital for a while.

drisky said:
Scizophrenic Llama said:
People keep saying EA murdered Bioware, but if Activision was publishing Bioware, we'd have Mass Effect 1, 2, 3, 4, ME: Trading Card Game, Mass Effect: Future Warfare, and Guitar Hero: Mass Effect(I'd put that right around before GH died) with Mass Effect 5 and Mass Effect: Online in development. Bioware finally gets fed up with it and decides they won't take this shit anymore and Activision replaces them with Treyarch.

Activision is starting to make it a habit to run a game into the ground, beat it's corpse to ensure all of the money has fallen out of it, and then run off to the next one to repeat the process.
Exactly, Bioware makes one game with a short development cycle and suddenly the company has been murdered. Unless all those people hate Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age: Origins, I don't want to hear it.
I didn't play Dragon Age: Origins, but am I allowed to hate it if I thought Mass Effect 2 was barely decent because of its functional gameplay?
 

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They aren't evil. One (Activision) just doesn't give a shit and is only in it for the money, and the other (EA) is either really really stupid or just assumes that we gamers are all stupid (case-in-point: the Dante's Inferno and Dead Space 2 ad campaigns). Though EA does seem more willing to take risks when it comes to new ideas and IPs, and are the least likely to run their franchises into the ground, so I'd say they're the least bad of the two.
 

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Riff Moonraker said:
brandon237 said:
The7Sins said:
EA due to there tampering have ruined Mass Effect 2
Define ruined.

ME2 definitely did not have the feel of a ruined game. It was a well-polished, well made, entertaining game with deep and interesting characters and the ways in which your decisions and previous play influenced the ending was quite clever. It also had, in my opinion, good replay value (ie: I played it about 5 times before I touched another game).

OT: Slightly more activision, but I HATE some of Ubisoft's buggy games, they are full of nonsense sometimes... My copy of Assassin's creed (a new, unscratched disk) gave me the buggiest few installs I have ever had on this pc. I had 11 BSODs in 1 day.

My PC almost fried from that game.
I agree about Mass Effect 2. I definitely loved the game. The parts where I could see EA's grubby little fingers came when they started selling outfits for the characters. THAT part I didnt like. At least that didnt have an affect on how I enjoyed the game.
As for the game itself it actually had very little that seemed overly... corporate. Sure the extra crap was, but extra crap always is. What kind of world would this be if it weren't?
And half the DLC was free, and yet more could be earned without paying more than you would anyway... So overall one of EA's better decisions / games.