Poll: Why do gamers discriminate other gamers???

[Thaluikhain]

One would think someone who is being discriminated against for being a minority in terms of sexuality would have shown a little more sympathy to discrimination against other minorities in terms of sexuality, wouldn't one?

You'd think so, but that's not the way it works. There's a massive amount of hatred aimed at bisexuals from the gay community, for example. Similarly, there's plenty of complaints that work aimed at eliminating racism doesn't involve women, and/or that white feminists don't listen to people of colour.

 

[Mr Pantomime]

Uhm.. Ohkay.

There is no such thing as an Asexual human being.

I often wonder, on the internet
What is fact, and what is rhetoric

But I wouldnt be so quick to judge WOW's community. I played WOW casually for 2 months this year, and though I disliked the game, I had a really nice guild. Lovely people.

OT: I suppose your mad that you cant hang out with the nice people in your guild. Which does suck, granted. But why would you want to remain on a forum where the senior members are such dicks? Thats like living in under an oppresive regime because you like your neighbours. viranimus is right, there plenty of other places to go. Full to the brim of people who think A-Sexuality and being Straight-edge is the cool new thing. Find a place you want to be. Couldnt recommend any though, dont do the whole "gaming guild" thing.

 

[6unn3r]

While i have never, nor would i ever made direct attacks on people in my gaming community for whatever reason, i will admit to friendly banter. Granted, to outsiders it might seem like plain insults but within the community it was laughed off harmlessly. Such things as teasing someone for making a huge and very obvious mistake during raids or important game sections, (it happend to me on the Watcher in the Water raid in LOTRO, i fucked up and didnt hear the end of it for about 2 weeks.) are to be expected when you talk and play with these people on a daily basis.

I dont associate myself with the types of people that cant pipe down, shut up, keep their opinion's to themselves and get on with the job in hand, somtimes you have to just acept that these people are out there and they can be reported to the clan/guild leader to be (hopefully) banned permentantly.

 

[Stu35]

Nope, because I don't discuss my private life with random people.

Boom.

Exactly That.

Whilst I don't agree with the sheer level of abuse that people seem to think it's okay to mete out on the Internet (because they can do so in relative anonymity), I also think that anyone who starts giving up their personal preferences on the Internet is inviting any and all responses.

So, whilst I do, in part, sympathise with those who have posted about the abuse they've recieved simply for being themselves, some of that sympathy gets held back when you could have easily avoided it by simply not telling all and sundry about your private life.

The story suggests that you are simply a minor, and thus possibly not yet fully realized your sexuallity but any human claiming to be asexual is simply a delusion.

Whilst from a technical standpoint there is no such thing as an Asexual human (as it refers to how we reproduce, rather than a sexual preference). There are probably plenty of lunatics out there who don't like the idea of sex, regardless of gender...

I've never met one, but I'm willing to believe they do exist, they're fucking weird, and I'd be inclined to be suspicious of anybody claiming to be one, but at the end of the day they're hurting no one by their... Choice? Preference? 'way they're born'?... So who cares?

I would get it if they made fun of me being gay or something, but how come being a-sexual is worse than being gay?

Well, it's possibly because Gay people have urges associated with human beings. Asexual people have urges associated with plants... Something to consider. Again, you're allowed to be who you are, but if you're going to reveal these things about yourself to strangers on the internet, be ready to learn that the rest of humanity doesn't care as much about you as your parents, and therefore will NOT support you no matter what.


As for whether or not I've discriminated... Well, yes.

The vast majority of Humanity are a bunch of retarded dickheads, and I hate them. This very much includes the gaming community.

(To give an example, I would, given the power to do so, ban anybody under the age of 21 from playing online... for two reasons: First, I'm sick of getting shot in the face by 12 year old Americans, Second, said 12 year olds are a bunch of little bastards who need to learn a bit of magnanimosity, something that will only come with a bit of decent parenting, and playing some ACTUAL sports outside, instead of being on the XBOX)

...

But then, I believe that the best system of government would be me as Dictator-of-the-world, and that the way to end the Insurgency in Afghanistan is to mass B-52 bombers and launch heavy strikes in the areas surrounding villages, before walking into those villages the following morning and declaring ourselves the Gods of Thunder, demanding their immediate conversion, or death-by-B52... So I'd take that with a pinch of salt.

 

[Something Amyss]

Well at the very least you would hope someone who felt so strongly as to make a topic about getting discriminated against to casually suggest they find discrimination against a group of people they're not a part of to be perfectly acceptable.

Yeah, it really does boggle the mind.

I find a lot of this to be quite weird, and I'm not even entirely sure how to react.

 

[Something Amyss]

One would think someone who is being discriminated against for being a minority in terms of sexuality would have shown a little more sympathy to discrimination against other minorities in terms of sexuality, wouldn't one?

You'd think so, but that's not the way it works. There's a massive amount of hatred aimed at bisexuals from the gay community, for example. Similarly, there's plenty of complaints that work aimed at eliminating racism doesn't involve women, and/or that white feminists don't listen to people of colour.

Trust me, you preaching to the choir.

 

[ischmalud]

ok this is probaly the first time im going to aplogize for voting: in this case: I have discrimated against other gamers. but i thought u were talkin about what i would consider rather harmless hasing, sorta the stuff you talked about in the first paragraph which personally doesnt phase me but i am aware that it is descriminatory.
now to your overall story:
4 years REALLY? jesus i played wow (yea yea im sorry) for way to long my self but by the time year 2 rolled arround people from the guild would actually ranng me up overseas and wish me a happy birthday, and vice versa - fair enuff not the same with most guilds. but to treat a member of your CHOSEN (community and thats all a guild is) like that, well thats just wrong.
at the end of the day look at is this way, hardly anyone you meet online will actually ever know you well enough to judge anything you do, say, or feel on a level that you should actually care about.


Isch

 

[cdstephens]

People are mean to other people in any community. No reason why gaming would be an exception. Example: there is the American community, but people within that community split into smaller communities that discriminate against one another if they don't fit exact ideals.

Same with gaming. How many times have you seen gamers declare sports gamers to be not "real" gamers, MMO players to be addicts, FPS players to be immature, etc.? Jokes here and there that give off the feeling, ranging from "oh, you play WoW...." or "you're a Madden fan....I see..." to outright name calling. Dislike for a genre becomes a dislike for the people who like that genre (sometimes I think moviebob falls prey to this in GO, which is disheartening.) Another obvious example are the console wars. It can even be using a character in League of Legends that no one else likes. "OMG you play Twitch what a nooblord".

There are a lot of assholes in the world, and many of them happen to game. It's gonna range from broad stuff like sexual orientation, gender, race, etc. like the rest of society to discrimination specific to gaming.

 

[Deadlock Radium]

I have been discriminated from groups/clans in gaming because I played on the console until a couple of months ago, when I built a $2100 PC. Now I am welcome everywhere it seems.

Other than that, no. I have not been discriminated. I haven't even been called noob in games as long as I can remember, which says a lot, since I used to play Call of Duty on the PS3. Guess I just played too well for them to conclude I was a noob :3

 

[FoolKiller]

Well I have never been that badly bugged by a stupid gamer but I was talking with someone and they said that because I liked playing sports games (in fact, I tend to like all the genres even if I suck at some of them) I am not a real gamer.

My reply: I have been playing video games longer than you've been alive you *insert profanity string here*

 

[Loonyyy]

All people discriminate against all people-that's unfortunately the way things work. Don't attribute it to "Gamers"-the tag is pointlessly vague and fails to acknowledge what's really the problem. On the internet, people are at least partially anonymous, this gives them the freedom to do what they like, and they like to be rude, by the large.
There's a great Penny Arcade on it: Normal Person+Anonymity+Audience=Total Jerkwad. If I remember correctly of course.
Not all people are rude, but the ones you notice are the ones that offend you, leading to a confirmation of what you're looking for.
Moreover, if you go onto a forum with poor moderation, with moderators who ban people after bullying them, then you are essentially getting what you deserve. An important thing to do is choose your location wisely: Escapist-Strict mods, less freedom, but it's a nicer place, and the freedoms restricted aren't what this site is about. 4Chan-Almost no moderation, and the mods are having fun by moderating at a whim. Offensive material and trolls are the norm.
Choose your forum to suit your needs. If you choose a dodgy site, you meet dodgy folks.

 

[SinisterGehe]

I would get it if they made fun of me being gay or something, but how come being a-sexual is worse than being gay?

Really?! So it's okay to make fun of people who are gay?! I was actually feeling sorry for you, but not after reading that statement! Unbelievable...

One would think someone who is being discriminated against for being a minority in terms of sexuality would have shown a little more sympathy to discrimination against other minorities in terms of sexuality, wouldn't one?

Bloody Hell.

I think you missed some key parts in my story, they do not make fun of the gay guys in the community, they don't even do jokes about them being they see nothing wrong with it. But me being A-sexual seems to be somehow a worse thing and can be made fun of. I am not native speakers some give me some slack, I suck at understanding social context in text.

To make my policy clear, no one should be made fun of by any terms.. I do not make fun of gay people, I find it tasteless.

 

[SinisterGehe]

Wooooow that sucks, haven't really been discrimanted against , but i tend to get shunned back when i used to play wow , because i have the kind of personallity that you either love or hate . I joke around way too much and my sense of humour is really american cartoon-like ( i quote family guy/south park way too much) . So either people love me because they think i'm funy or hate me because i talk too much and joke all the fucking time .

Also , never put on personal information on the internet EVER. People will always make fun of you no matter what . Thats how the internet is . L

Well after you spend 4 years playing with the same 20-30 people , things come up during discussion, you start knowing them and they start knowing me, it is bound to happen in social interaction. I find it insulting if someone would hide their personality from me after we have known each other and played together for years.

 

[Slowpool]

Many people discriminate. All gamers are people. Therefore, some gamers discriminate.

[HEADING=2]Logic![/HEADING]

Many people have testicular cancer. All women are people. Therefore, some women have testicular cancer.

[HEADING=2]Fallacy![/HEADING]

Nope.avi, because only men can get testicular cancer, as women don't have testes. And in my example such parameters aren't there.

[HEADING=2]Faulty example![/HEADING]

It's not his example thats faulty, its yours. I'll show you with a more on-topic example.

Consider that all individuals that make up 'people' can be divided into two categories. One is Gamers and one is Non Gamers (lets keep the example easy and assume they are both non-empty and divided evenly). Let's assume that none of the Gamers discriminate and all of the Non Gamers do.
Your first premise would be 'Many people discriminate', which would be true, since the Non Gamers all discriminate.
Your second premise would be 'All gamers are people', which would be true, since gamers are a non-empty subset of people.

Your conclusion was 'Some gamers discriminate'. Which would be false, since we specified that no Gamer discriminates. So your reasoning does not hold up.

The logic you used is formal logic, mostly based on syntactics. You can't just claim theres some semantics at play that makes everything alright, you will have to specify it. The previous counter example is spot on.

But on topic: sucks. A lot of people can be assholes, especially when they can do it relatively anonymous (I also think the way you act when youre anonymous says something about your character).

If this is a troll, then congratulations, you got me. If not, let me tell you why you're wrong.

You cannot assume that none of the gamers discriminate- because they do. As stated, they are people, and many people do discriminate in one way or another. There is nothing inherent in a gamer's biology or attitude that prevents them from discriminating- so the fact is that some will do what is normal of some people, since they are people.

The counter example does not have that benefit- it specifically chose women, who are biologically incapable of having testicles (barring some sort of gender reassignment), and therefore cannot be included in the subject pool of individuals who are capable of having testicular cancer.

Gamers are a subset of people who can be prejudiced. Women are NOT a subset of MEN who can have testicular cancer.

Logic.

OT: I am perfect. Therefore, I would be justified in discriminating against people who disagree with my opinion, but because of my perfection I am polite and decide to let such instances slide. Seriously, look up perfection and there I am, being perfect and all that.

Yep. I'm just... great.

*sob*

 

[Something Amyss]

I think you missed some key parts in my story, they do not make fun of the gay guys in the community, they don't even do jokes about them being they see nothing wrong with it.

Nope. Read that. Your post was, at best, clumsily worded with regards to homosexuals. Don't be surprised it raised some eyebrows.

 

[SinisterGehe]

I think you missed some key parts in my story, they do not make fun of the gay guys in the community, they don't even do jokes about them being they see nothing wrong with it.

Nope. Read that. Your post was, at best, clumsily worded with regards to homosexuals. Don't be surprised it raised some eyebrows.

I am deeply sorry. I suffer from not being native speaker of English and having issues understanding social contexts in speech and text.

I didn't want to insult the gay community here. I do not make fun of people's sexual orientation... Honestly. If you don't want to believe me then I have to ask you to sod off and not to respond to this topic anymore.

 

[Michael Hirst]

Well you see if you discriminate against people that look like it's almost like...an advanced form of racism.

/sarcasm