Poll: Why do lots of people hate Heavy Metal?

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GiantRaven

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BrokenBoySoldier said:
Anyone can learn to pick up and play an instrument, the talent you speak of comes from being able to create something which sounds good, which to my ears 70% of metal does not, but then theres no accounting for differing tastes, especially in something as diverse and divisive as music
So to you talent is the ability to create something that you like the sound of?

By your logic these guys aren't talented:


Which is ridiculous (and I will happily be the first to admit disliking how it sounds).

edit: Well I guess that isn't how you embed videos despite what YouTube states...

Link! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wniXxeTJlyM
 

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I personally enjoy metal. The reason is because for years I have been a rock fan. I enjoy classic bands like Styx, the Eagles, the Police, Lynyrd Skynyrd, and Queen (one of the greatest band that graced the earth with their presence)and a few of the newer rock bands. However, American rock (to be specific) has been going downhill. In the 50's and 60's rock was great because there was a lot political issues going on that people expressed through song such as "Eve of Destruction" by Barry McGuire. The 70's came and music was still pretty good. It has evolved and talked about life itself, saying that everything was going to be okay, symbolic in nature, or were just goofy songs to dance to and have fun with like The Bee Gees' "Saturday Night Fever" or "Freebird" by Lynyrd Skynyrd. The 80s came and you knew something was wrong. Rock during the 80s was good, not great, but still entertaining. Every now and then you would get a really good song like "Welcome to the Jungle" by Guns N' Roses. Then the 90's hit and that's when everything started to really go downhill. You see, I grew up listening to 90's music, and I have enjoyed it as a child and through the first half of my teenage years. Then one day I found an old CD I had that was a variety CD, so it had songs that were popular at the time. When I listened to it, I could not believe that used to like that crap. 90's rock was horrible. Yes, there get some songs that were great, but most of them were... shit. Then it just worse and worse. When the 2000s hit, I just wanted to weep at how bad American Rock has become.

What happened to guitar solos? I remember back in the day when to show off how well you played your selected instrument you played a solo. The solos were amazing especially in "Bohemian Rhapsody" by Queen. That's impressive. To me, it seems that modern bands such as Green Day don't have any real talent. Maybe that's why got rid of guitar solos and replaced them the vocalist because they are trying to cover up the horrible plunking sounds of the guitarist. Not only that, it appears that these modern bands don't really care about what they do. They only care about money. Bands, once upon a time, were passionate about what they did. They became bands because they enjoyed what they did and the message that they were trying to spread. Example, "Bohemian Rhapsody" is truly a sad song. It's all about a guy who shot another man and is reflecting on the consequences of his actions. He keeps calling out for his mother because he wanted some sense of safety and hope that everything will be alright. However, the crushing reality of what he has done makes him go crazy until he snaps, saying, "Nothing really mattered to me." Another great part of the song is the echo effect in the middle of the song where he is saying, "let me go" while the rest of society replies, "We will not let you go." The ending of the song suggest that he was executed as he was lamenting over his life. This is what songs are about! Tell a story and send a message! I don't get that from modern bands like Green Day. Yes I know I pick on Green Day a lot, but they only ones that I can think of off the top of my head.

Because of all of this, I ran away from rock and/or roll. I started heading towards metal music because, to me, they are what rock should be. I feel that metal houses the true spirit of rock. I've also ran overseas to other bands such as Muse (British band) and Oomph! (German metal band who single-handily created new genre of music called NDH or Neue Deutche Härte or "New German Hardness" and they inspired another well know German band Rammstein to form)

For those of you who did not read here's a summary: I listen to metal because modern rock is horrible. Metal is was rock should be. Oomph! is a great band.
 

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I find that most people are under the impression that metal can be dangerous to one's mental state, whereas actual metal heads share more stories of being SAVED by metal than being depressed by it. The fact is, metal is loud and scary and not mainstream, so most people don't understand it and therefore don't like it. On the other hand, that's why a lot of people LIKE it: they want something supercharged with adrenaline, that sounds angry and powerful, that allows you to get all those negative emotions out. I have a theory about that.

The reason that you hear a lot of stories about kids listening to metal and then blowing their brains out is mainly because the media generates more buzz about these stories than any suicides that may have been related to other modes of music. The only reason there may be something to those stories, though, is because metal music is especially attractive to people with a lot of negative feelings going on. They hear the aggression in the music and they take it into themselves, and it makes them feel good. Speaking from experience, when you're feeling alone, angry, and backed into a corner, metal gives you the feeling of comraderie and strength that is just what some people need.

The reason that a lot of suicides get linked with metal is because a lot of people who listen to metal were already depressed or suicidal. Metal can help, and can save, a lot of them, but not everybody, and sometimes the worst can happen. Say a kid who listens to metal kills himself, and his parents, devastated by the loss and anxious to find the reason, pin the blame on the 'weird' music that he was listening to. The media eats it up, knowing that this will generate a lot of attention; politicians use metal as a punching bag to bolster their careers; and metalheads keep listening to metal. Nothing changes, because metalheads are the same as anyone else: as long as their heads are in the right place to begin with, metal is not going to influence their mental state to any significant degree.
 

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If I had to be very specific about why I can't listen to about 90+% of metal it would have to be the whole agressive and repetitive aspect of the rythmic section.
Those bands affiliated to the genre that I do listen to, like Primus, NIN, Black Sabbath, have that in common that they generally avoid the whole powerhchords+bass thudding the root note+heavy drumming combo that I can't stand. That's because what I like in music in the first place is the 'groove', and though I can't deny that this 'thudding' technique has a lot of energy, what brings me joy from music just isn't the energy.

That said, my favoritest band I've seen live played some kind of tribal/metal fusion that blew my mind =)

On a more general note, the whole rap vs metal vs jazz vs whatever thing is ridiculous. It's normal to feel emotional about your music, since it's appreciation is based on the emotions it makes you feel, but people (including me) just project this onto everyone and refuse to understand how one can feel the exact same way about something completely opposite. But that's even kind of normal too, what really shocks me is the sect-like alliegance to each genre, which I can kind of understand but not really.
Why - nay, How can one be content listening to only one genre of music? How does one wrap his head around the bands that are original enough to bend/break the rules of the genre?
 

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GiantRaven said:
BrokenBoySoldier said:
Anyone can learn to pick up and play an instrument, the talent you speak of comes from being able to create something which sounds good, which to my ears 70% of metal does not, but then theres no accounting for differing tastes, especially in something as diverse and divisive as music
So to you talent is the ability to create something that you like the sound of?

By your logic these guys aren't talented:


Which is ridiculous (and I will happily be the first to admit disliking how it sounds).
Meh to me that doesnt sound half bad, and they certainly have magnificient levels of ability with their guitars, but if it can be defined as talent is another question entirely, as it depends on your definition of the word.
I also feel the need to clarify my statement about talent- there was an unfortunate inference which you pointed out but it was not intended and it seems my harmless spot of hyperbole was an ill fit to a serious discussion
 

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omega 616 said:
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Anyone who dresses in a certain way is going to have another group dislike them for it, thats just life. Metallers think exactly the same way about chavs, townies, emos, surfers etc. there is always gonna be a stereotype attached to certain styles.

And yes i know about Sophie, and its fucking tragic, but i wonder if you would have brought that point up if it had been a group of metallers that had killed a chav?
We think that about chavs and townies 'cos the jews thought that about nazi's, we hae the ones that torment us.

I have yet to see or hear of a group of goths/whatever attack a group of chavs/townies.

I wouldn't know 'cos like I have said, I have yet to hear or see something like that happen.
Are you really comparing goths and metallers being prejudiced by chavs to the holocaust? and are you saying that every single person you would class as a chav would torment you? because that is a massive generalisation, and exactly the point i was making in my original post about metallers being closed minded.

And the reason you havent seen or heard about a group of goths/metallers attacking townies or chavs is because, unfortunately, metallers are pussies.
I have stood and watched a group of 8+ metallers get terrorized by 2 or 3 chavs on more then one occasion, its pathetic.
Obviously i am generalising here, im not saying that everyone who likes metal is weak, but when two people can bully a group of 8 or beat one up whilst his friends stand and watch or run away, it makes the group as a whole look like an easy target which perpetuates the bullying/violence.
 

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BrokenBoySoldier said:
I also feel the need to clarify my statement about talent- there was an unfortunate inference which you pointed out but it was not intended and it seems my harmless spot of hyperbole was an ill fit to a serious discussion
I'm not sure I follow. What do you mean?
 

Gildan Bladeborn

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Speaking as someone who enjoys a staggering variety of music from a plethora of genres, I find it perfectly understandable that someone might not like Metal - tastes differ after all. Hatred though is harder to write off as an honest reaction to the genre, because the implication of such a statement is that you not only do not like Metal, you actively resent its existence.

The reason I take statements like that with a grain of salt is the same reason I take statements about Pop or Rap like that at face value - hatred strongly implies familiarity turned to loathing; it is very easy to imagine someone becoming inundated with Pop or Rap music and consequently growing to despise the entire genre. But Metal? Unless someone very close to you is continuously blasting it at all hours, you kind of have to go looking for it - if the first scenario doesn't describe you, just how the hell would someone who "hates" Metal even become familiar enough with it to decide they do in fact hate it?

Which brings us to why most such claims are bullshit - your average person on the street doesn't actually know what Metal is. Tell someone that you hate Pop or Rap and whether or not they agree with you, the pervasive nature of those mediums is such that they should at least be able to call to mind multiple examples from those genres. Tell someone you like/hate Metal though? Unless you're talking to an aficionado you might as well be speaking in a made-up language you learned from a sentient hunk of Gouda - that statement doesn't possess meaning in and of itself.

The public thinks it knows exactly what Metal is though, and to an extent they do, because the stereotypical "Metal band" the public thinks of when you say "Metal band" actually exists - the problem is that there's a very broad selection of styles and approaches to the medium that all fall under the general umbrella of "Metal", and in the mind of the general public all Metal bands sound exactly the same: like angry noise. And all Metal bands look like the most ridiculous examples of the arguably least commercial sub-genres. Also it's all about Satan.

Imagine the only Rock band you had ever heard of was Coldplay, and that you don't really like Coldplay at all (if you're like me that won't be very hard) - how likely is it that you'd be receptive to listening to a "great new Rock band!" that a friend wants you to listen to if, to you, Rock is defined by a band you cannot take seriously? Well that's pretty much where Metal finds itself in the minds of the general populace - isolated examples or stereotypes that are actually perfectly valid providing you apply them to tiny fragments of the whole and not the entire genre are what the public thinks of when you say "Metal". They might even like it and not know it, blithely enjoying the infrequent examples that crop up in films or what have you without understanding that what they're listening to is in fact Metal, while assuming they hate Metal because "it's all grunting like angry gorillas combined with backing music that sounds like jackhammers and controlled demolition".

The notion that the OP described (that listening to Metal could lead an already depressed person to suicide) is pretty far-fetched, but there are certainly bands out there that I can't see helping someone who suffers from depression improve their mindset. But to suggest that Metal isn't good music for suicidal people to listen to is completely silly because I can point to entire sub-genres that are almost uniformly uplifting - the only thing you can genuinely say that all Metal bands have in common is that their music is the sort of harder-edged Rock that sits at the point where you can no longer accurately describe them simply as a Rock band. That's a pretty damn vast musical space though.

In my personal experience I've found that I can almost always convince even those you'd most expect to genuinely hate Metal of the merits to be found within the genre - my sister will tell you she doesn't like Metal, and then turn around and listen to a bunch of female-fronted Symphonic Metal acts I introduced her to, or tell me "I like that! What is it?" while I'm listening to Elvenking only to be told "An Italian Folk Metal band!"; I got my father hooked on Symphonic Metal and certain subsets of Progressive Metal (he absolutely adores Arjen Lucassen's Guilt Machine) and he almost universally despises anything with an electric guitar in it! Just about anyone I interact with here in meatspace who broaches the topic of music invariably leaves with some appreciation for one of the various obscure European Metal bands I listen to.

Heck, I've convinced total strangers on the internet of their dormant enthusiasm for the genre - I've even convinced someone who gravitates almost exclusively to the sort of mellow Indie Rock and low-key Electronica that I can call "wussy" without really doing it a disservice of the relative merits of various Metal bands; unless you're someone like my mother who absolutely won't listen to anything outside of the extremely narrow band of music she enjoys[footnote]And has legitimately hated EVERY SINGLE THING outside that 'safe zone' that I've tried to play for her over the years - she has probably the narrowest musical focus I've ever encountered.[/footnote], there is probably some variety of Metal that will appeal to you. Unless some well-meaning musical evangelist sets about introducing you to it though, you'll probably go on "hating Metal" forever, without ever understanding why that's silly.

And that is why so many people hate Metal - they're operating on a very widely held misconception that nobody has ever bothered trying to dispel for them.

FightThePower said:
I don't like Heavy Metal because I don't like the sound of it (the Guitar Riffs and the screaming...yeah no. I am well aware that a lot of Metal doesn't involve the latter, though)
Technically it doesn't even necessarily involve the former.

There's no rule that says you have to have guitars in a Metal band - Apocalyptica gets along just fine with cellos.
 

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I don't like it because I simply think it's stupid, but I believe that people can listen to whatever they want.
I can appreciate the technical skill involved in metal, but I still think the complete package sounds really stupid.
 

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Many people don't like metal for what i like to call the loudest minority problem. People don't see the masses of sensible, intelligent people who don't make a big deal about it and just get on with it. It's that small group of people that play the latest Thrashy Black Death band song at the back of the bus (not that theres anything wrong with Thrash, death or black, any music on the bus is annoying) before going and beating up someone for not being metal enough or kicking off in a club because they're not playing the particular sub-genre they want to hear.

It's kind of like saying every rap (or dance or rave or whatever they are) fan spends their entire time in city centres harassing everyone with what limited vocabulary they picked up off the jeremy kyle show while they sat at home drinking tennants super instead of going to school/getting a job. This is a tiny minority of the whole fanbase, but they make themselves by far the loudest and most annoying of them. Metal is no different, it has its pricks giving it a bad name and that's what people respond to. I doubt the dislike is anything to do with the music, it is a very wide genre that tends to have something to appeal to everyone, it's probably just the image they don't like.
 

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Zantos said:
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I think that's exactly the reason. The loudest minority.

I don't dress metal. I wear casual dress shirts and Calvin Klein jeans. I have short hair. I listen to modern rock, electronica, and some pop. But I also love some Eluveitie, Tursisas, Fintroll, Ensiferum, Kalmah, Korpiklaani, and more.

But you see that guy walking down the street with a 20 cm high black mohawk, pasty white face, black eyeliner, and a trenchcoat blasting his death metal out of his headphones? The guy who wears skull jewelery and grins at random people to creep them out? That's what people will associate with metal.

Same goes for other music. See that girl with the fake gems, short shorts with thick thighs, and excessive amounts of make-up? The girl that just glared at you because looking in her general direction makes her think you are checking her out? The girl blasting top 40 songs from her headphones? That's what people will associate with top 40 songs.
 

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I don't listen to it very often because it often sounds very angry and violent, I don't mean the lyrics just the general 'feel' of the music. Death Metal and the bazillion subgenres based on that even more so. Heavy metal I can often stand and even like, it's just not my own choice very often

Sometimes though, I want something aggressive and violent, so I pull out some good ol' Judas Priest and put L4D2 on.
Sturmdolch said:
See that girl with the fake gems, short shorts with thick thighs, and excessive amounts of make-up? The girl that just glared at you because looking in her general direction makes her think you are checking her out? The girl blasting top 40 songs from her headphones? That's what people will associate with top 40 songs.
Thanks for the mental scarring. Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be getting some brain bleach.
 

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The hatred of Heavy Metal is simple; the people who hate it? Their religion is wrong.

Heavy Metal is the one true faith, and they know it. As any number of console fanboys will prove, being wrong is so hard to admit...
 

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I had a very heated conversation recently with a man who a grudge against Heavy Metal. Being a metalhead I was angered inside that he could hate my music but still heard him out because I'm not a closed minded zealot. I don't blame him for not having the specific taste to like my music but he didn't even hate it because of how it sounded. He was basing the entire gendre of music on one person's experience. Apparently his brother was depressed, was pressured into listening to the music and it drove him to the brink of suicide. Now it's totally understandable that he doesn't like it but not for those reasons. But one he blamed the state of mind of his brother on it when it was clearly his brother, depression and the people he knew before that caused it. With me it was vice-versa. I was already on the brink of suicide and had no will or reason to live. I went to a heavy metal concert and it opened my eyes to a new world, mainly because for once I was kicking life in the ass, for lack of a better term. It made me a whole new person and gave me the will to live again along with a new outlook on life. But I also like it for the way it sounds and that in loving it i've found people who accept me, I found a place. But it struck me that more people than just him dislike or plainly hate my music. So why do people like the music they like? It's obviously not solely based on the way it's sounds anymore?
well I live Heavy Metal
if by heavy metal you mean stuff like Disturbed or Metalica

things I hate are usually called Black Metal and Scremo
like Cannibal Corpse or 2 AM Girlfriend
and the only reason I hate that music is that it sounds bad
the singer screeching some incomprehensible rubbish in our ears
the drummer blasting out some 32 note bass role with the 16 note snare flams
the guitarist with the distortion up so high he might as well be holding a chainsaw up to the mike
and the bassist who...well is actually pretty awesome but you can't hear it over all the other crap assaulting our ears
but I know all the different sub genres of Heavy Metal and I'm usually very specific about which ones I like
 

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Napierdalac said:
GiantRaven said:
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Heavy metal is just sound to my ears, but that's my opinion. I'm not entitled to put it above the opinions of anybody else.
I'm pretty sure that any genre of music can be considered sound but maybe that's just me.
I'm pretty sure that he means that it's just a bunch of random sounds, thrown together and called music.
Arent all music just random sounds thrown together? ;)
Erm...no? I'm pretty sure the mere existence of musical theory disproves that.
Well, we can agree that a note is a sound yes? If you take a note and put it together with another note, you get music right? Therefore all music is random sound put together.

Here i thought i was funny :(
That argument almost works until you put the word 'random' in for no reason. At which point you look silly.

Sturmdolch said:
But you see that guy walking down the street with a 20 cm high black mohawk, pasty white face, black eyeliner, and a trenchcoat blasting his death metal out of his headphones? The guy who wears skull jewelery and grins at random people to creep them out? That's what people will associate with metal.
Since when do mohawks have anything to do with metal? I can't say I've seen any metalhead wearing black eyeliner in public either.
 

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I would say there wouldn't be such hatred for metal fans or metalheads if they weren't such purists. I don't care if you listen to metal, but refusing to give a band a chance just because its a part of another genre just seems ridiculous to me, metalheads have a tendency to stick out for hating on many genres, Rap, Country, Pop, and what they believe is Screamo. Most people I know don't glorify or define themselves by the type of music they listen to, and the only two groups I have found who do would be Metalhead and Hipsters/Indie Kids, and for the most part I can respect the latter more because even within the boundaries of whats considered Indie can fit into many genres. Though I dislike hanging out with ether group if they feel pride because they listen to a certain genre.
 

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Wargamer said:
The hatred of Heavy Metal is simple; the people who hate it? Their religion is wrong.

Heavy Metal is the one true faith, and they know it. As any number of console fanboys will prove, being wrong is so hard to admit...
I don't know if this guy is serious, I hope not, but this right here is a perfect example of why metalheads are hated. Simply because there such purists.
 

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TonyCapa said:
I went to a heavy metal concert and it opened my eyes to a new world, mainly because for once I was kicking life in the ass, for lack of a better term. It made me a whole new person and gave me the will to live again along with a new outlook on life. But I also like it for the way it sounds and that in loving it i've found people who accept me, I found a place. But it struck me that more people than just him dislike or plainly hate my music. So why do people like the music they like? It's obviously not solely based on the way it's sounds anymore?
You know, just hearing that someone could be this inspired by Metal makes me happy. I've often felt music is one of the best parts of my life and I do indeed listen to a lot of metal. This of course draws in the hordes of people who want to say that playing metal takes no talent or less talent than rap or pop, which is obviously untrue. Playing almost any music takes a fair amount of talent and metal is among the most difficult genres to play well. I think people just have a bad preconception of what metal really is.

So thanks for making this post, it's reaffirmed my views on Metal.