Poll: Why do you hate the Star Wars Prequels?
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Whoa, there! There's a difference between those who admire the superficial aspects of Star Wars (Boba Fett looks cool, big space battles, LIGHTSABERS!!!) and those who admire the themes of the movies.DAPLR said:
The OT gave time to important things: loss of family, development of skills and courage, forgiveness and redemption. The characters were put through very hard times, especially in Empire, having to flee for their lives, being betrayed by those they trusted, and losing each other, maybe forever. The fans who love human drama and admire the characters of Han Solo, Luke Skywalker, Darth Vader, and even the droids are those who feel let down by the movies. Such as myself.
The Prequels downplay drama. Anakin is freed from bondage, yet his mother remains a slave. This ought be a big deal. Or how about the invasion of Naboo and how it's inhabitants are forced to deal with the sudden loss of the freedoms they once enjoyed? Even that terrible romance between Anakin and Padme could've been redeemed had their been any tension to it; he's being pulled between his love for her and his upbringing with the Jedi and there are people trying to assassinate her. These weighty matters are shoved aside so we can have podraces and entirely unnecessary characters like Jango Fett and Darth Maul, who only exists to shoehorn lightsaber fights into the movie.
Y'know for every example of love and betrayal, I thought of a perfect example from the prequels. Easy as pie. The betrayal of Anakin to the Jedi, his wife and ultiamtely himself, was portrayed excelently, I really felt like he was torn between his love for Padme and his commitment to his dream of being a Jedi, and all the burdens that come with that dream.Veylon said:
Jango was FFFAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRR more essential to the plot than Boba Fett was in his film than Boba was in his film.. Still cool, but Jango was more fleshed out. I'm presuming were excluding the Expanded Universe which turned Boba into a wholly fleshed out character...
You think people would've loved more story on the enslaved Naboo? Don't be naive. Look at your precious originals and you'll see a gross step on external drama. The destruction of Leia's home planet, Alderaan. It got Leia to say, 'No' and Ben to flesh out how vast the power of the force stretches out. Thats it. Fucking ridiculous. All of her family and fiends, everything GONE. And all we hear is a no and a sad face.
Fans whine and moan about the new trilogy because thats what they are. New. And something new begets change. And people hate change. So thats why I hate them.
Jar Jar Binks. Hayden Christensen. The Writing. Seriously Lucas, if you know you can't write a decent plot or good dialog, please, for the LOVE OF GOD, get someone else to do it for you!
I am not alone!!!11!1! Wooh!Freakout456 said:
I am honestly surprised. I know that I do not hate them, as I myself grew up with them. I watched the movies in the order of 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 3. I have a good friend my age and of similar interests who is of the same mind as I am. But other than that everyone seems to hate them.
Myself and said friend agree that people who spew such hate towards the prequels are being pretentious...
At this point I think I should charge my flame-shield to over 9000 and bunker down for the storm headed my way. But really, most of the people who hate the PT watched the OT as kids and now see the PT as adults. I saw them all in the same few years, I appreciate the two different styles and think that the individual OT, PT and the overarching saga are all good in their own rights.
Besides: Darth Maul damnit.
My reason for hating the prequels? Anakin F*&^^# Skywalker! The first movie made him seem like a naive space-faring Denis the Menace. The second movie made Anakin into a whiny baby with a man-gina which continued on into the third movie but at least tried to redeem the future Darth Vader near the end of the film...but by then, too much damage had been done. It all boils down to Lucas' moronic view that he wanted to make these films for his kids that he ruined Darth Vader and made him, basically, a pansy bi&^% before (and even directly after) he got put into the suit of armor.
The only 2 good parts where Darth Vader shined in Revenge of the Sith: the attack on the Jedi temple and the killing of the separatist leaders on Mustafar. Where the yellow glow of Vader's eyes showed where things really should have been by the end of the second film.
I personally think that Star Wars (after the first trilogy) should have been handled as a social services issue. Mommy Lucas had 3 good kids but it was time to take them away from him for the good of the children. If we knew then what we know now, Lucas should have been forced to give up creative control of the Star Wars franchise, patted on the head and give new projects to make that didn't include Gungans or Ewoks.
Oh, and Han shot first. End of story.
The only 2 good parts where Darth Vader shined in Revenge of the Sith: the attack on the Jedi temple and the killing of the separatist leaders on Mustafar. Where the yellow glow of Vader's eyes showed where things really should have been by the end of the second film.
I personally think that Star Wars (after the first trilogy) should have been handled as a social services issue. Mommy Lucas had 3 good kids but it was time to take them away from him for the good of the children. If we knew then what we know now, Lucas should have been forced to give up creative control of the Star Wars franchise, patted on the head and give new projects to make that didn't include Gungans or Ewoks.
Oh, and Han shot first. End of story.
I think Episode 1 was the best of them all, Jar-Jar was awesome for one thing and there was nothing wrong with the film, as for Episodes 2 & 3 the love story made them both awful, those are the two most wooden actors i've ever seen...
Bleh. Prequels...
1) Anakin didn't need a love story. He didn't need a romance plot. He didn't need to feel like he was being 'underused' or 'put down even though he knows he's better'.
You know what he needs? This is a kid who was a slave his whole life who has a lot of potential. Make this guy a charismatic, almost Robin Hood-esque Jedi who spends all of his years of training towards aiding people who are downtrodden by the restrictions of governments or corporations, whose actions tread the line between just and legal and thus has to be chastised by the Jedi Council for his actions. Now you have a legitimate reason why his 'fall' is so damning, and why he doesn't trust the Jedi Council and why he wanted more power. It's soooo simple, guys.
2) I actually didn't mind all of the new fights. In a world with starships, lightsabers, and telepathic, telekinetic badasses, choreographed fights would probably seem natural. The only reason there were none in Star Wars Originals was because Luke didn't have any mastery of the Force, Obi-Wan was old, and Darth Vader had his cybernetic implants. However, I still call BS on the Darth Maul fight. These fights are so awesome, and yet they end so anti-climatically. You do not kill off Jango Fett, the #1 most badass Bounty Hunter in the galaxy (at that time), like that. He should have been gunning down Jedi, not standing out there with a thumb up his ass.
3) Stop underplaying the actual Clone Wars. If you're going to make such a big deal about the wars, why don't you actually show us some of it instead of having it make some quiet noise in the background? I want to see the evil mastermind, Dooku, plotting evil schemes and showing off his merciless brutality. I want to see Grevious cutting down legions of Jedi and Clone Troopers. Where are the damn wars we were promised by Episode 2?
1) Anakin didn't need a love story. He didn't need a romance plot. He didn't need to feel like he was being 'underused' or 'put down even though he knows he's better'.
You know what he needs? This is a kid who was a slave his whole life who has a lot of potential. Make this guy a charismatic, almost Robin Hood-esque Jedi who spends all of his years of training towards aiding people who are downtrodden by the restrictions of governments or corporations, whose actions tread the line between just and legal and thus has to be chastised by the Jedi Council for his actions. Now you have a legitimate reason why his 'fall' is so damning, and why he doesn't trust the Jedi Council and why he wanted more power. It's soooo simple, guys.
2) I actually didn't mind all of the new fights. In a world with starships, lightsabers, and telepathic, telekinetic badasses, choreographed fights would probably seem natural. The only reason there were none in Star Wars Originals was because Luke didn't have any mastery of the Force, Obi-Wan was old, and Darth Vader had his cybernetic implants. However, I still call BS on the Darth Maul fight. These fights are so awesome, and yet they end so anti-climatically. You do not kill off Jango Fett, the #1 most badass Bounty Hunter in the galaxy (at that time), like that. He should have been gunning down Jedi, not standing out there with a thumb up his ass.
3) Stop underplaying the actual Clone Wars. If you're going to make such a big deal about the wars, why don't you actually show us some of it instead of having it make some quiet noise in the background? I want to see the evil mastermind, Dooku, plotting evil schemes and showing off his merciless brutality. I want to see Grevious cutting down legions of Jedi and Clone Troopers. Where are the damn wars we were promised by Episode 2?
Well I don't like any of the Star Wars trilogies. The prequel trilogy at least ended somewhat logically, somewhat. The original trilogy ending was just terrible on the scale of facehoofing like no other. I actually find the troopers more interesting than the jedi and sith in both trilogies. They follow pretty much the same problems and the main one being that the main character is just basically a cardboard cutout with the same amount of personality as an amoeba.
I like the universe and its premise but the movies make me cringe, that and the stark black and white no grey done to death lack of depth.
I like the universe and its premise but the movies make me cringe, that and the stark black and white no grey done to death lack of depth.
I preferred the newer films, then again i'm 15 and was pretty much raised through 1, 2 and 3.
I still like the older ones too, don't get me wrong they're great, but I prefer the newer ones.
I still like the older ones too, don't get me wrong they're great, but I prefer the newer ones.
I like the prequels ... they might not be as good as the original, but it's till entertaining to see lightsaber duels and droid wars and of course, the John Williams tunes are awesome!
But I don't hate Jar-Jar like everyone else. I don't even find him annoying .... hmmm ... maybe something is wrong with me
But I don't hate Jar-Jar like everyone else. I don't even find him annoying .... hmmm ... maybe something is wrong with me
There was absolutely nothing I liked about the prequels. The acting was dry, but there's only so much to be done with THAT script. The script was rushed, forced, emotionless,achingly filled with predictable cliches and filled with broken logic. The story was nonsensical and confusing at best. The characters were utterly forgettable. The cinematography was AWFUL, there's better camera work in a single episode of Banacek, for pity's sake. The much-lauded CGI was so overdone it lost all impact visually. There were so many 'nods' to the original movies forced in and so blatantly it drug the lame spectacle down even harder than it's own poor merits alone. And the saber fights were some of the most emotionless and pathetically obviously choreographed "fights" I've ever seen in a movie.
I can't even just be snarky and say "they were good because they ended" because for me to say that, it means I'd have to have watched them.
They weren't bad movies because 'George Lucas ruined Star Wars/my childhood/nostalgia'. The prequels were bad movies because there was nothing good about them.
I can't even just be snarky and say "they were good because they ended" because for me to say that, it means I'd have to have watched them.
They weren't bad movies because 'George Lucas ruined Star Wars/my childhood/nostalgia'. The prequels were bad movies because there was nothing good about them.
Hmm got to say i have never seen the original Star Wars and from that perspective i have never understood all the hate because for me that was Star Wars and i haven't seen it done differentley and i feel if i see the originals now, they won't live up to the hype.
Here you go:SilverHammerMan said:
Okay, I think Revenge of the Sith is the worst Star Wars prequel movie of the three. Yes, I know it's often praised the best, but not to me. Here's what I get from the movie:
--Jedi are insanely weak. If they have to fight more than three opponents, they're toast.
--To turn to the dark side, all it takes is one sentence.
--All the tech in the world can't save someone's life if they decide they don't have a reason to live.
--Speaking of a reason to live, how about those two bundles of joy you just had? You know, the ones that are going to want their mommy?
--Amazing CGI does NOT equal a great battle. It actually equals too much information on screen to follow.
--"These Wookies are all dead." Okay, what does that have to do with anything?
--In order to be on the Jedi, you need to have zero experience with lightsaber combat. Unless you are a senior member.
So, how would I fix all of this? I will give it my best shot
1) When Order 66 is given, the Jedi go down like punks. At least Ki-Adi took one (or was it two?) whole clone trooper with him. Keep in mind that these are the best Jedi, as many of them were on the Council. I always thought Jedi have a danger sense that warns them that something is off...oh yeah, they do! Remember, Yoda used it! So, here's what should have happened. Show the Jedi fighting for their lives against the clones, and keep cutting to different scenes. It starts with Ki-Adi deflecting a shot into a clone trooper, then cuts to Ayla leaping away and igniting her saber. Keep cycling, showing the Jedi cutting down the clones but slowly being overwhelmed. Finally, when it cuts to Yoda clutching his heart, but back to each Jedi and show them dead, surrounded by clone corpses. At least they went out fighting. While were at it, the 501st should have had to climb over a small mountain of their brothers while attacking the temple. A fifteen year old body took out five of them alone before they killed him.
2)Anakin's fall should have simply been written better. He is on his knees weeping about what he's done, and all the Emperor has to say is, "You're fulfilling your destiny." Oh, is that it? Okay. I'm off to murder all my friends and little children now because it's my destiny. How do I know? Because the very enemy I've been helping to track down all this time told me so, and I believe him over all of you. To fix this, we would need to rewrite several things from all three movies, and there's simply not enough time. A quick summary: Make the Jedi seem like they are becoming corrupted as their decisions go more along with political power. Currently being done in Fate of the Jedi.
3)Dear God, Padme. You fail as a mother. You would rather die and weep in self pity than raise your kids, who should be the sole focus of your life now. Let's not forget that Leia mentions that she remembers you! Way to fix this: have Padme live on Alderaan, but the shock of what Anakin has done--and is still doing--is SLOWLY killing her over the years, like cancer. Plot hole from the first trilogy filled and Padme is no longer the second worst parent in the Star Wars universe.
4)Go back and watch Return of the Jedi's space battles. Then compare that that to Revenge of the Sith. In Jedi, you get shots of random pilots talking, random ships exploding, and random battles. In Sith, it's Obi and Anakin talking in their cockpits while so many lights flash outside that you can't tell what's going on.
5)Every time I see this scene, I keep checking the Wookies to see if Yoda, Chewie and Tarffle are hiding under the corpses. They are not as far as I can tell. So that raise the question: Why is this scene here? To fix it, add what I just said into the scene.
6)You know when Mace goes with three other Jedi to arrest the Emperor? Did you see how quickly those other three went down? One literally stood there and let the Emperor stab him. Pathetic. At Least Fisto blocked ONCE before he went down. So much for the great swordsmen Jedi. To fix this, Palpatine need to split them up, fight them one at a time, and perhaps call in some guards for a distraction. Kind of like how Darth Maul Force shoved Obi away so he could fight Qui. Shove away Fisto, finish off Tin before Fisto can recover. Stuff like that.
Major bonus points if anyone actually bothered to read this whole thing. Sorry it's so long, but this movie makes me angry because I love Star Wars.