Poll: Why, exactly, would machines want to take over the world?
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Why wouldn't they want to? We did, why not them? You'd better get used to it, Skynet gets turned on this year.
because of bad programming and the ability to think 1,000x faster than humans.
computers will be that powerful w/in the next 50 years.
computers will be that powerful w/in the next 50 years.
I think this is a good point. I don't think machines will ever just decide to hate us, because they have neither the capability nor the motive.
On the other hand, giving them personalites would be a step nearer, but all you have to do is just program them to be in awe and respect of human beings (like the robots in Asimov's many books)
And to avoid it all, just give them the three laws, then they are phisicaly unable to even try and harm us
On the other hand, giving them personalites would be a step nearer, but all you have to do is just program them to be in awe and respect of human beings (like the robots in Asimov's many books)
And to avoid it all, just give them the three laws, then they are phisicaly unable to even try and harm us
Q: Why, exactly, would machines want to take over the world?
A: Duh, because _some human_ programmed them to do so...
Q: Do they have to be "intelligent" to do so?
A: Nope, not at all. Image recognition and fucking with the Friend/Foe-scheme is all it takes. And some optional mobility, if you want to get visited at home and receive the Are-you-Sarah-Connor-question...
Q: Do these vehicles/drones/automated turrets already exist?
A: Yes. Get off your lazy ass and google "predator drone" or "Samsung techwin" and shit bricks...
When you are at it, check the American arsenal at the beginning of the 3rd Iraqi War and now... you'll see some thru-the-roof-employment rates of these killing machines, starting with just a few dozen at the beginning and several thousands right now...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5YftEAbmMQ
A: Duh, because _some human_ programmed them to do so...
Q: Do they have to be "intelligent" to do so?
A: Nope, not at all. Image recognition and fucking with the Friend/Foe-scheme is all it takes. And some optional mobility, if you want to get visited at home and receive the Are-you-Sarah-Connor-question...
Q: Do these vehicles/drones/automated turrets already exist?
A: Yes. Get off your lazy ass and google "predator drone" or "Samsung techwin" and shit bricks...
When you are at it, check the American arsenal at the beginning of the 3rd Iraqi War and now... you'll see some thru-the-roof-employment rates of these killing machines, starting with just a few dozen at the beginning and several thousands right now...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5YftEAbmMQ
i think it CAN be possible, but the why is hard to say. IF computers become self-aware, and somehow creates a homicidal grudge for humanity. simplest reason may be, because they CAN. Just like GlaDOS. they can become power hungry. and also perhaps they feel they have been mistreated. much like slavery. they do all the work. and of course..how many times do you see a machine being kicked or banged on by a blunt object cause its not working right. they are recording every time that happens and letting it all build up. course im just having fun. its highly unlikely it will happen, but..who knows.
The 3 laws will dictate how the robots will function.
The 3 laws are undeniably logical and perfect.
The 3 laws will be our downfall.
The 3 laws are undeniably logical and perfect.
The 3 laws will be our downfall.
It's funny how everyone here keeps on humanizing machines, which are not capable of feeling anything... yeah, of course... your keyboard which does feel PAIN if you hammer on it in frustration after having lost a xbox game... do you really think that? Or do you just like typing first and turning on that brain-thing(tm) later?
Sometimes you really have to think of us (humanity) as Apes, who are still living in some kind of magic age... I guess, we are really not that advanced... we use things on a daily base which we don't even REMOTELY understand... millions of tiny black boxes... millions of apes standing in front of them in clueless, dazzled fascination...
But that shouldn't keep the apes from guessing...
Use destrudo with:
- hands and legs and teeth
- sticks and primitive weapons (tools)
- advanced weapons like rifles
- remotely controlled drones
- autonomous pre-programmed drones
The machines don't have to do anything. They don't need to be aware of anything. They don't have to think creatively. They can just be programmed to shoot whoever or whatever some individual thinks is time to be shot.
Really... what do you take? I want some, too...
Your idea of machines are so full or moral thinking, it really makes one question your capability to reason behind this 2-fold category of good vs. baad.
According to your mis-thinking, one would have to sue the car, not the driver, if some pedestrian gets run over.
From Terminator to Matrix to Portal to whatever - maybe you all should watch less Science Fiction films...
The first rule of any drama, which is written to attract a wide (and stupid human) audience is to humanize everything, ranging from animals (Me and Marley, anyone?) to machines (take WALL-E, nonbelievers!).
We can learn nothing from that, because these fictional drama characters - although in the disguise of machines - are in fact humans. The audience would not understand the truly alien (i.e. different life form), because once we encounter something that resembles nothing human/mammalian we like & know, our drive to slay it kicks in quite instantly (this is why humans in general love dogs and detest spiders - dogs have a "face" which resembles ours, spiders don't; dogs express feelings very much like we do, spider's dont even have feelings or express them so differently that we can't understand anything). This is the very reason why WALL-E knows so many different facial expressions. He is a human. Or to be more precise: He has to have those human-like features in order to be liked, which effectively makes him a human in disguise.
The slaying of something alien/different can always be justified on the very account of it being alien. This is how organized murder works:
1.) You declare something as different/alien (= non-human)
2.) You exterminate the aliens.
This is the inverted process of humanizing everything. If some alien is to be accepted, it has to be humanized - if it is to be destroyed, it has to be dehumanized.
Human history is full of schemes like these. Examples are: Jews, Witches and people of other colours than white, which were declared a different "race" (which is bullshit, of course), in order to legitimize their treatment as sub-humans/slaves and/or their extermination.
As you can see from this rather longish posting the only real threat to humanity is first and foremost humanity itself.
The very imagination of a Great War of Human vs. Machine is born out of the fearful mindset of the dehumanizing human brain. We FEAR those things we don't understand. It's one of the primary reasons most people slay any spider they encounter in their house. Fear of the unknown, fear of the alien that just dropped on your bed, with its eight long, hairy legs...
This is why the story of Skynet works so well with us. We "tick" that way, so we can easily accept the imagination of the evil Skynet-machine, which is, once again, just another human in disguise...
The near-omnipotent Skynet (another human dream: being omnipotent) would certainly be power-hungry, evil and start a war which resembles an ethnic cleansing, because we humans would have it no other way...
Sometimes you really have to think of us (humanity) as Apes, who are still living in some kind of magic age... I guess, we are really not that advanced... we use things on a daily base which we don't even REMOTELY understand... millions of tiny black boxes... millions of apes standing in front of them in clueless, dazzled fascination...
But that shouldn't keep the apes from guessing...
They don't have to. Why does everyone here think those metal bins have to become humanlike to be used in destructive ways? Just use them as a means, a tool - like we always did.
We humans are much better at killing humans out of sheer non-reason. No machine will ever match our destructive powers. They just enhance our potential, like the first stick the first ape grabbed and used as an extension of his arm.
Use destrudo with:
- hands and legs and teeth
- sticks and primitive weapons (tools)
- advanced weapons like rifles
- remotely controlled drones
- autonomous pre-programmed drones
The machines don't have to do anything. They don't need to be aware of anything. They don't have to think creatively. They can just be programmed to shoot whoever or whatever some individual thinks is time to be shot.
Take less Soma(tm).
Which is totally real and no computer game "character", at all...
Maybe it's not just Soma... LSD? Glue?
Yep... the vending machine has sensors and notices if you speak to it in a harsh tone and will be offended for a whole week, refusing to serve you anything, because you always curse it for not being fast enough with your coffee...
Really... what do you take? I want some, too...
Your idea of machines are so full or moral thinking, it really makes one question your capability to reason behind this 2-fold category of good vs. baad.
According to your mis-thinking, one would have to sue the car, not the driver, if some pedestrian gets run over.
From Terminator to Matrix to Portal to whatever - maybe you all should watch less Science Fiction films...
The first rule of any drama, which is written to attract a wide (and stupid human) audience is to humanize everything, ranging from animals (Me and Marley, anyone?) to machines (take WALL-E, nonbelievers!).
We can learn nothing from that, because these fictional drama characters - although in the disguise of machines - are in fact humans. The audience would not understand the truly alien (i.e. different life form), because once we encounter something that resembles nothing human/mammalian we like & know, our drive to slay it kicks in quite instantly (this is why humans in general love dogs and detest spiders - dogs have a "face" which resembles ours, spiders don't; dogs express feelings very much like we do, spider's dont even have feelings or express them so differently that we can't understand anything). This is the very reason why WALL-E knows so many different facial expressions. He is a human. Or to be more precise: He has to have those human-like features in order to be liked, which effectively makes him a human in disguise.
The slaying of something alien/different can always be justified on the very account of it being alien. This is how organized murder works:
1.) You declare something as different/alien (= non-human)
2.) You exterminate the aliens.
This is the inverted process of humanizing everything. If some alien is to be accepted, it has to be humanized - if it is to be destroyed, it has to be dehumanized.
Human history is full of schemes like these. Examples are: Jews, Witches and people of other colours than white, which were declared a different "race" (which is bullshit, of course), in order to legitimize their treatment as sub-humans/slaves and/or their extermination.
As you can see from this rather longish posting the only real threat to humanity is first and foremost humanity itself.
The very imagination of a Great War of Human vs. Machine is born out of the fearful mindset of the dehumanizing human brain. We FEAR those things we don't understand. It's one of the primary reasons most people slay any spider they encounter in their house. Fear of the unknown, fear of the alien that just dropped on your bed, with its eight long, hairy legs...
This is why the story of Skynet works so well with us. We "tick" that way, so we can easily accept the imagination of the evil Skynet-machine, which is, once again, just another human in disguise...
The near-omnipotent Skynet (another human dream: being omnipotent) would certainly be power-hungry, evil and start a war which resembles an ethnic cleansing, because we humans would have it no other way...
