Poll: Why I Think Casual and Competitive Gamers Don't Like Each Other
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Im competitive when it comes to stats. I don't know why. If there are no stats Im very casual. If there is nothing saying you are or are not a good player Im casual and love to mess around. I have so much fun doing what I like. When there is I get this stupid idea that I need to prove myself. Something I can do because Im a good player. It's like I need to show people I can play well if I want to.
Its not just that competitive players use the best equipment, its that they also deliberately exploit the game to come out with unfair advantages against new players whether through bugs or other exploits. I have friends that will challenge me again and again so long as they can understand what is happening.
The second that a game changing bug comes into the match they stop having fun. these are not people who spend all their time on the internet figuring out the intricacies of their games and they expect the way the game is presented to be how it is played.
Most comp gamers will stop playing a game or take it home to practice or go research how to make their skills up to par if they are not excelling at it.
that's just my experience though
The second that a game changing bug comes into the match they stop having fun. these are not people who spend all their time on the internet figuring out the intricacies of their games and they expect the way the game is presented to be how it is played.
Most comp gamers will stop playing a game or take it home to practice or go research how to make their skills up to par if they are not excelling at it.
that's just my experience though
I'm pretty much a casual gamer when it comes to video games, as long as it's fun I'll play it.
D&D on the other hand, I am such a cheesy little munchkin it makes some of my friends sick, it's at the point where they won't allow me to play just a halfling anymore
D&D on the other hand, I am such a cheesy little munchkin it makes some of my friends sick, it's at the point where they won't allow me to play just a halfling anymore
So to your ENTIRE wall of text it basically says I am both Casual and Competitive because I do both competitive and casual things but it all depends on my mindset at the time that I am playing. Competitive players I do not think are ones that you would find on MW2 since EVERYONE bitches and moans about EVERYTHING online in that game whether you are casual or competitive. Hell I got yelled at once for not quickscoping with a sniper.kwagamon said:
The problem with the topic is that the official definition of "casual gamer" is anyone who happens to play a game, wether it's random small flash-games, those you find on facebook or if you actually own a console and like to play one game on it.
Which would mean that almost everyone fits into the "casual gamer"-category nowadays... Personally think it's somehow wrong to say that they're gamers of any sort, when it's not an actual hobby but something you do to pass the time when you would like to be doing something else... Then there is the category of "casual games" which I don't want to even talk about.
But concerning a way of playing, competitive versus casual, I am a casual player, I don't care one bit if we lose or win, as long as I and at least most of the people on the server are having fun. Luckily I have found a TF2 server where we have rules against the "competitive taunting" described before me.
Don't get me wrong, I play and go for the objective of the game constantly and relentlessly, I'm not dragging my team down with silly tactics or disturbing the flow. But what I actually do, is play according to what I'm up against. For example, I will try silly tactics etc. when my team is completely steamrolling the other team, like said before, it's no fun to win that way so I don't feel like playing properly. But if it's the other way around, I will go for the competitive players and other threats and hope my team can handle the rest.
Also would like to note that a low score doesn't mean that you're not doing anything for your team, since that score is often just the amount of kills you got, and most games aren't just a simple frag-fest nowadays. And don't underestimate the power of decoys, just because you die without killing or seeming to achieve anything, you can always buy few seconds for your team so at least the enemy will end up dead in the end...
Which would mean that almost everyone fits into the "casual gamer"-category nowadays... Personally think it's somehow wrong to say that they're gamers of any sort, when it's not an actual hobby but something you do to pass the time when you would like to be doing something else... Then there is the category of "casual games" which I don't want to even talk about.
But concerning a way of playing, competitive versus casual, I am a casual player, I don't care one bit if we lose or win, as long as I and at least most of the people on the server are having fun. Luckily I have found a TF2 server where we have rules against the "competitive taunting" described before me.
Don't get me wrong, I play and go for the objective of the game constantly and relentlessly, I'm not dragging my team down with silly tactics or disturbing the flow. But what I actually do, is play according to what I'm up against. For example, I will try silly tactics etc. when my team is completely steamrolling the other team, like said before, it's no fun to win that way so I don't feel like playing properly. But if it's the other way around, I will go for the competitive players and other threats and hope my team can handle the rest.
Also would like to note that a low score doesn't mean that you're not doing anything for your team, since that score is often just the amount of kills you got, and most games aren't just a simple frag-fest nowadays. And don't underestimate the power of decoys, just because you die without killing or seeming to achieve anything, you can always buy few seconds for your team so at least the enemy will end up dead in the end...
I like to think of myself as a competitive gamer when the circumstances are right, but when not I very easily revert to casual play. The deciding factor is teamwork. Is the majority of my team actually playing to win or not? If not, then I usually don't bother either.
I'd like to ask a few questions about TF2. I have the Orange Box for XBox 360, and although I rarely take it out of the shelf these days, I used to play quite a lot of TF2 on it. However, I have never played TF2 on a PC. Listening to discussions about or related to TF2 here on the Escapist, I hear that there's a lot of material that has been added to the game over the years. Should I get the PC version? It's only like 20 euros, so it's no big. However, with all these special weapons, equipment and whatnot...am I going to have fun? Presumably when I start playing the game, I'm going to start at the very bottom of the rung with nothing but the basic weapons for the classes. Am I simply going to get overrun by every until I somehow manage to rack up enough kills to get a kit together worth playing with?
I'd like to ask a few questions about TF2. I have the Orange Box for XBox 360, and although I rarely take it out of the shelf these days, I used to play quite a lot of TF2 on it. However, I have never played TF2 on a PC. Listening to discussions about or related to TF2 here on the Escapist, I hear that there's a lot of material that has been added to the game over the years. Should I get the PC version? It's only like 20 euros, so it's no big. However, with all these special weapons, equipment and whatnot...am I going to have fun? Presumably when I start playing the game, I'm going to start at the very bottom of the rung with nothing but the basic weapons for the classes. Am I simply going to get overrun by every until I somehow manage to rack up enough kills to get a kit together worth playing with?
"Righting", as defined by one dictionary I use:Kurokami said:
1. Restore to a normal or upright position
2. Restore to a normal or correct condition or situation
3. Redress or rectify (a wrong or mistaken action)
4. Make reparation to (someone) for a wrong done to them
You...... Horrible, horrible man.kwagamon said:
Just yesterday as an innocent bystander with no skill i was killed 17/18 times by a 40MM Grenade launcher from a man standing in a house shooting down at the spawn with his tube.. Then i spawned and finally killed him... AND HIS FRIEND GOT ME WITH A SNIPER! Then i quit.
I mean some Noobtubers do it becuase they cant beat the people with skill (Or rather those who play the game all day, all week) But they forget that there are those without skill that dont use noobtubes. THEESE ARE THE VICTIMS!
Sorry, too long of an OP to read right now (at uni, so mixing typing and listening... ^^). My quick 2 cents though are - mostly the groups don't hate each other per se (there are always idiots thinking they're superior on the usual bullshit grounds of "my epeen's bigger than yours" and "you don't have a life", but I don't find those serious arguments and thus worth considering). What they hate are two things:
1) Playing with each other - these two groups have two different goals. Putting them together just doesn't work. I've been playing WoW for a LONG ass time before so I've had a chance to see it from both sides. From the casual side, I can tell you I hated some of my first runs through 5 man dungeons with hardcore players. They were rushing through the instance and I didn't get to take much of the instance in or get much fun out of it because I was struggling the whole time to just keep up with them. In the same way, after a long time of playing hardcore, I know it's a pain in the ass sometimes to have someone who's new cause they're just seemingly slacking behind.
Another, more to the point example, being in a mixed casual/hardcore guild was a fucking nightmare. Casuals play for chilling, so they wanna chill out in an easy instance. Hardcores play for the challenge, so they wanna get some progress done. I have to state here, BOTH groups play for FUN - they just have a different definition of what fun is for them. Anyway, you go to an easy place, hardcores are bored. You go to a hard place, the casuals are struggling and hardcores feel like they're being held back.
Outside each other however, these two groups can love each other. I've been in and seen some VERY successful mixed guilds. Everyone chatted together, even played together a lot, but the main stuff they were there for (raiding) was split, you had casual raids and hardcore raids. I've also seen and again, been in certain hardcore guilds that had sister casual guilds. I've also seen great relations between random hardcore and casual guilds. All that can work, just don't force them to work together on a goal they don't agree on. There is NOTHING unusual about not wanting to play the game for someone else, team work is one thing, spending your free time doing something you don't enjoy is completely another.
2) Effect on the game - This is where most of the public hate comes from. Fact is, designers don't make two games. They make one game both hardcore and casual players have to play. So when they make something that's more suited for casuals, the hardcores are not happy. Likewise, when they make something that's more suited for hardcores, the casuals aren't happy. Both groups complain, either about the game being changed to be more casual or more hardcore.
Again, the complaint is not unreasonable. Everyone wants the game experience designed, not for them, but for something they can enjoy and a perfect balance in hard to get right. Both groups are sort of "logically and rightfully" pissed off at each other, because if the other one wasn't there, the game design would shift accordingly towards what they're looking for. That's not to excuse outright hate for people just because of how they want to play the game however - everyone deserves an enjoyable experience. But towards the game designers, it's a very valid complaint and something they constantly need to work on and some friction between the groups is not at all unusual over it because they're both asking at the same time for two different things.
1) Playing with each other - these two groups have two different goals. Putting them together just doesn't work. I've been playing WoW for a LONG ass time before so I've had a chance to see it from both sides. From the casual side, I can tell you I hated some of my first runs through 5 man dungeons with hardcore players. They were rushing through the instance and I didn't get to take much of the instance in or get much fun out of it because I was struggling the whole time to just keep up with them. In the same way, after a long time of playing hardcore, I know it's a pain in the ass sometimes to have someone who's new cause they're just seemingly slacking behind.
Another, more to the point example, being in a mixed casual/hardcore guild was a fucking nightmare. Casuals play for chilling, so they wanna chill out in an easy instance. Hardcores play for the challenge, so they wanna get some progress done. I have to state here, BOTH groups play for FUN - they just have a different definition of what fun is for them. Anyway, you go to an easy place, hardcores are bored. You go to a hard place, the casuals are struggling and hardcores feel like they're being held back.
Outside each other however, these two groups can love each other. I've been in and seen some VERY successful mixed guilds. Everyone chatted together, even played together a lot, but the main stuff they were there for (raiding) was split, you had casual raids and hardcore raids. I've also seen and again, been in certain hardcore guilds that had sister casual guilds. I've also seen great relations between random hardcore and casual guilds. All that can work, just don't force them to work together on a goal they don't agree on. There is NOTHING unusual about not wanting to play the game for someone else, team work is one thing, spending your free time doing something you don't enjoy is completely another.
2) Effect on the game - This is where most of the public hate comes from. Fact is, designers don't make two games. They make one game both hardcore and casual players have to play. So when they make something that's more suited for casuals, the hardcores are not happy. Likewise, when they make something that's more suited for hardcores, the casuals aren't happy. Both groups complain, either about the game being changed to be more casual or more hardcore.
Again, the complaint is not unreasonable. Everyone wants the game experience designed, not for them, but for something they can enjoy and a perfect balance in hard to get right. Both groups are sort of "logically and rightfully" pissed off at each other, because if the other one wasn't there, the game design would shift accordingly towards what they're looking for. That's not to excuse outright hate for people just because of how they want to play the game however - everyone deserves an enjoyable experience. But towards the game designers, it's a very valid complaint and something they constantly need to work on and some friction between the groups is not at all unusual over it because they're both asking at the same time for two different things.
No one seems to have answered so I'll give them a go.Telperion said:
Yes, you should. Even though you've got it for the 360 the game is immensely different with easily 10 times the content on PC. I've heard of many people owning it on both platforms and being happy they picked up the PC version.
I've got every weapon, and I mostly use the standard kit for most classes. The alternate weapons aren't upgrades per say, they're alternate ways of playing the class. All new weapons have a downside to the ones that you start with, I can only think of one or two that you'd need because the downside is so small.
Also the Escapist TF2 Group [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/view/The-Escapist-Team-Fortress-2-Group-PC] is for PC mostly, and we have servers to help you learn on (if you ask for help) and any other questions we'll be happy to answer.
The response will be quick, we're constantly talking about crap in there.
When a boat turns over, it has capsized. If you reverse this state, it is called "righting". It is also used to mean "the act of setting something right". I believe the latter usage is probably incorrect (you can "right" a wrong, and you can be in the process of "righting" a wrong).Kurokami said:
You're pretty much right. I miyself am more of a neutral person...I play because I want to have fun, but I certianly don't mind winning and being the best.
I second the coconut.Gaz6231 said: