Poll: Windows 10 - Whats the Motive?

[inmunitas]

Microsoft seem to be taking the Google Android approach with Windows 10, you are required to register the system with a Microsoft Account in order to even use the operating system (prior to getting the login screen), and they track data from you in order to target you with Ads.

Edit: What I for got to mention. Have you all missed the huge push for games to get Linux compatible?

From what I've seen, most major-ish gaming sites haven't been covering it at all, which isn't a big surprise as their staff tend to be made from Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo fanboys and corporate shills. Then they act all confused about what Valve is up to because they've not been following it.

 

[Angelous Wang]

Monopolise and then advertise.

Get every single person in world on Windows 10, apply update that allows Microsoft to place adds all over Windows GUI 1 year later.

Make ∞ $ from add revenue.

Also they can make even more money from software designers because software designer will always have to deal with Microsoft to make sure their software works and stays working on Windows.

This worked well for them when they did it previously on the 360.

 

[Worgen]

I suspect it's so they can monitor everyone who upgrades through some form of mandatory data collection. Why else would they throw "legitimate" copies at pirates? Something funny is going on with this and I'll be watching from a safe distance until someone figures out what it is.

Its actually probably because they have a built in store and they really really want people to use it.

 

[Hoplon]

I suspect it's so they can monitor everyone who upgrades through some form of mandatory data collection. Why else would they throw "legitimate" copies at pirates? Something funny is going on with this and I'll be watching from a safe distance until someone figures out what it is.

Its actually probably because they have a built in store and they really really want people to use it.

Getting eyes on the store make way more sense than the ads (the revenue from which is fading away) i mean there a like a billion plus home installs, makes the apple app store install base look like chicken feed.

 

[DrOswald]

I suspect it's so they can monitor everyone who upgrades through some form of mandatory data collection. Why else would they throw "legitimate" copies at pirates? Something funny is going on with this and I'll be watching from a safe distance until someone figures out what it is.

Its actually probably because they have a built in store and they really really want people to use it.

Got it in one.

Basically, they want to retain market dominance (which has been slipping away from them for years) and they don't actually need to charge for it anymore to make money. They will make more money giving it away for free.

At least for the normal user version. The professional version will be a different story.

 

[Anti-American Eagle]

Its actually probably because they have a built in store and they really really want people to use it.

No, I'm pretty sure them throwing copies at pirates means there's going to be something more malevolent than a candy crush dispensary built in... This is either a plan to attempt aping other companies (suddenly a subscription is required, ads everywhere, forced planned obsolescence, clearly if we put a store there we'll be as successful as apple, etc. ) or my paranoia is correct and this is the beginning of something out of a cyberpunk setting (which easily could be "suddenly a subscription is required").

 

[Albino Boo]

Its actually probably because they have a built in store and they really really want people to use it.

No, I'm pretty sure them throwing copies at pirates means there's going to be something more malevolent than a candy crush dispensary built in... This is either a plan to attempt aping other companies (suddenly a subscription is required, ads everywhere, forced planned obsolescence, clearly if we put a store there we'll be as successful as apple, etc. ) or my paranoia is correct and this is the beginning of something out of a cyberpunk setting (which easily could be "suddenly a subscription is required").

You are being very silly. You all said the store would be mandatory and a closed system on windows 8 and guess what it wasn't. The bread and butter of windows sales is to business and new pcs. Those sales will still go ahead and they will still make a profit. The whole point of it is cross platform support. You by an app on your pc and it will work on your windows tablet/phone. You spend £80 on office you get if for both. Google charges nothing for android and makes a big fat profit on app sales. Google can't offer cross platform support but Win10 can.

 

[inmunitas]

Its actually probably because they have a built in store and they really really want people to use it.

No, I'm pretty sure them throwing copies at pirates means there's going to be something more malevolent than a candy crush dispensary built in... This is either a plan to attempt aping other companies (suddenly a subscription is required, ads everywhere, forced planned obsolescence, clearly if we put a store there we'll be as successful as apple, etc. ) or my paranoia is correct and this is the beginning of something out of a cyberpunk setting (which easily could be "suddenly a subscription is required").

You are being very silly. You all said the store would be mandatory and a closed system on windows 8 and guess what it wasn't. The bread and butter of windows sales is to business and new pcs. Those sales will still go ahead and they will still make a profit. The whole point of it is cross platform support. You by an app on your pc and it will work on your windows tablet/phone. You spend £80 on office you get if for both. Google charges nothing for android and makes a big fat profit on app sales.

Most businesses have only just upgraded to Windows 7 or 8 they aren't going to upgrade again any time soon, and new PCs sales have been dropping as more people go for Android/iOS mobile devices instead.

Google can't offer cross platform support but Win10 can.

I'm not sure what you mean by this.

 

[Anti-American Eagle]

You are being very silly. You all said the store would be mandatory and a closed system on windows 8 and guess what it wasn't. The bread and butter of windows sales is to business and new pcs. Those sales will still go ahead and they will still make a profit. The whole point of it is cross platform support. You by an app on your pc and it will work on your windows tablet/phone. You spend £80 on office you get if for both. Google charges nothing for android and makes a big fat profit on app sales. Google can't offer cross platform support but Win10 can.

That still doesn't explain why they're handing copies to people who will have just as much standing between them pirating the apps as they did the operating system they were just handed an upgrade for. Don't call me silly when a corporation is handing things out for free that aren't labeled free samples.

 

[laggyteabag]

I don't know, but it is certainly fishy. They are giving copies of Windows 10 to everyone with a copy of Windows 7 or 8, legitimate or otherwise, and that just seems like throwing away a lot of money on Microsoft's part. Sure, they might be doing it because they are suddenly a company with a bunch of really kind and generous directors, but I am just a little too cynical to believe that.

Colour me skeptical.

 

[DoPo]

I suspect it's so they can monitor everyone who upgrades through some form of mandatory data collection. Why else would they throw "legitimate" copies at pirates?

They...aren't. Non-legitimate copies won't suddenly become legitimate.

the "huge" push is mostly all Valve because the steam OS is linux based. it's still not very firendly when installing or updating drivers, it's like building a kit car as apposed to tuning a mass produced car.

Valve, GOG, Humble Bundle, Kickstarter. The last one not quite directly, but backers of successful Kickstartes have asked for Linux versions and received them.

You have to admit - it's way different from merely 5 or 6 years ago. I would definitely classify it as a huge push.

 

[Albino Boo]

Most businesses have only just upgraded to Windows 7 or 8 they aren't going to upgrade again any time soon, and new PCs sales have been dropping as more people go for Android/iOS mobile devices instead.

What's the difference between that and another windows release? Business operates on 3-5 year upgrade cycle, so there will be plenty of sales to businesses that have not upgraded just like every other windows release. Business are not buy tablets to replace workstations because they have no ability to integrate into a server network. They have no central control which increase the the total cost of ownership.

That still doesn't explain why they're handing copies to people who will have just as much standing between them pirating the apps as they did the operating system they were just handed an upgrade for. Don't call me silly when a corporation is handing things out for free that aren't labeled free samples.

Seriously you need to take off the tinfoil hat The pirate versions are stuffed full of malware. Less botnets, rootkits and keyloggers, the less microsoft has to spend security updates. You are also ignoring the income from app sales

 

[ForumSafari]

It's probably easily worth their time to make it free for the loss of all the legacy support baggage, the Enterprise buys and the market repositioning it'll give them.

Realistically home edition sales are worth less than dick to them.

 

[DoPo]

Realistically home edition sales are worth less than dick to them.

Yeah, it really helps with how much their business model pretty much falls straight over when it comes to home users. The vast majority of them won't upgrade if it's not worth it. Heck, I haven't upgraded to Windows 8 and I got it for free. At any rate, not only won't home users upgrade if they don't need to, they are also made to pay for it. Fuck that, really. A large part of the problems Windows faces and causes are because of this. A lot are indirect but still stem from the same source.

 

[Anti-American Eagle]

Seriously you need to take off the tinfoil hat The pirate versions are stuffed full of malware. Less botnets, rootkits and keyloggers, the less microsoft has to spend security updates. You are also ignoring the income from app sales

Seriously you need to take off the corporate trust. And no, I'm not ignoring app sales. I'm being cautious about the motives of microsoft. Yeah it's greed and I said that.

 

[Hairless Mammoth]

For the consumer, It's both a PR stunt to apologize for Metro/8's start screen

I use Win8, and this bit always confuses me. You can just type on the metro screen and it pulls up what you want, like the Dota 2 champ select. In practice, I don't see how the metro ui is worse than a start menu. Of course, I broke the garbage default metro apps, so it's just my icons on the page.

I think the main force behind the hate for it was just the fact that it is a more touch screen focused interface that was forced onto every version. It was too big of a change at once for most people.

I type things into 7's start menu search all of the time. For me the things that pissed me off about 8 was MS's typical habit of moving things around and changing their names for no good reason, and some programs opened from metro would not appear on the desktop, making switching between them awkward. I probably could get used to how it works, but the only time I use Win 8 is when my sister's laptop acts up. (After using 7 for years, I have even started forgetting where some things are in XP when I have to use it.)

 

[Worgen]

I suspect it's so they can monitor everyone who upgrades through some form of mandatory data collection. Why else would they throw "legitimate" copies at pirates? Something funny is going on with this and I'll be watching from a safe distance until someone figures out what it is.

Its actually probably because they have a built in store and they really really want people to use it.

Got it in one.

Basically, they want to retain market dominance (which has been slipping away from them for years) and they don't actually need to charge for it anymore to make money. They will make more money giving it away for free.

At least for the normal user version. The professional version will be a different story.

It sounds like they won't have a professional version, there will just be windows 10 and you can just add it to a domain or whatever.

 

[MysticSlayer]

I think it is just Microsoft catching up to everyone else. Mac users don't have to pay to get the new version of Mac OS X, as Apple has been offering that for free since...Mountain Lion?..I think. And if we're willing to throw Linux into the mix, you're not even obligated to pay anything just to get it. At the same time, mobile users don't have to pay for upgrades. Microsoft was basically the last company holding onto paid upgrades, and while that may not really harm their finances too much, it certainly harms their image.

Also, at least from what I've seen, Microsoft has start becoming a little more open and desiring to rely on subscriptions to services. I'm not sure Windows is going to go to that subscription model, but it will probably be easier on them to push out more Office, One Drive, and other services if everyone is on something more recent than Windows 7, which most people aren't.

 

[Sigmund Av Volsung]

The cynical side of me says that it will be freemium and that it will be chock-full of ads and spyware disguised as pre-packaged apps and bloatware. Not necessarily to do something as ridiculous as to catch all teh haxxorz and Barbary Corsairs but just to keep forcing ads everywhere in the vain hope that people will stop getting bothered by them and that it will generate profit.