Poll: Wonder Woman was not a good movie in any way

[Kolby Jack]

I think it pulled off something Captain America never could. I mean, I like Cap, but the idea of some random guy in Brooklyn being so idealistic and all-around good to everyone in the FORTIES always seems a bit... flimsy. Like, what's his character? He doesn't grow. He doesn't learn. The closest we get to a flaw is him liking fighting too much and hiding the truth about Tony's parents. Whoopdie-doo, that only took 3+ movies.

Wonder Woman comes into World War 1 as an outsider, naive and idealistic because she was explicitly raised in an environment where that mindset makes sense. She questions everything about early 1900's society with genuine confusion and curiosity, and when something tries to stop her from doing the thing she KNOWS is right, she pushes through and does the right thing anyway. She's earnest, and we know why. That's why people like her character.

I mean, I won't say Wonder Woman is better than every Marvel movie or even every Captain America movie; there are some real gems there and Wonder Woman isn't a perfect film. I will say it has more heart than pretty much any Marvel movie. You say it's some mish-mash of Thor and Captain America (as if those films are so original), I say it does what Thor and Captain America tried to do better than both films simultaneously. Plus, it takes place in World War 1, which is pretty unique because you can't romanticize it at all and be taken seriously, unlike World War 2, which according to Captain America was fought mainly against super-Nazis who never actually approached the horrors of the real Nazis.

In fairness Wonder Woman is just female Superman.

Ignorant statements don't really do much to help your credibility, by the way.

 

[Epyc Wynn]

I think it pulled off something Captain America never could. I mean, I like Cap, but the idea of some random guy in Brooklyn being so idealistic and all-around good to everyone in the FORTIES always seems a bit... flimsy. Like, what's his character? He doesn't grow. He doesn't learn. The closest we get to a flaw is him liking fighting too much and hiding the truth about Tony's parents. Whoopdie-doo, that only took 3+ movies.

Wonder Woman comes into World War 1 as an outsider, naive and idealistic because she was explicitly raised in an environment where that mindset makes sense. She questions everything about early 1900's society with genuine confusion and curiosity, and when something tries to stop her from doing the thing she KNOWS is right, she pushes through and does the right thing anyway. She's earnest, and we know why. That's why people like her character.

I mean, I won't say Wonder Woman is better than every Marvel movie or even every Captain America movie; there are some real gems there and Wonder Woman isn't a perfect film. I will say it has more heart than pretty much any Marvel movie. You say it's some mish-mash of Thor and Captain America (as if those films are so original), I say it does what Thor and Captain America tried to do better than both films simultaneously. Plus, it takes place in World War 1, which is pretty unique because you can't romanticize it at all and be taken seriously, unlike World War 2, which according to Captain America was fought mainly against super-Nazis who never actually approached the horrors of the real Nazis.

In fairness Wonder Woman is just female Superman.

Ignorant statements don't really do much to help your credibility, by the way.

Her powers are exactly the same. Weapons are features you can give to anyone. She's not much different personality-wise from Superman either.

 

[Kolby Jack]

I think it pulled off something Captain America never could. I mean, I like Cap, but the idea of some random guy in Brooklyn being so idealistic and all-around good to everyone in the FORTIES always seems a bit... flimsy. Like, what's his character? He doesn't grow. He doesn't learn. The closest we get to a flaw is him liking fighting too much and hiding the truth about Tony's parents. Whoopdie-doo, that only took 3+ movies.

Wonder Woman comes into World War 1 as an outsider, naive and idealistic because she was explicitly raised in an environment where that mindset makes sense. She questions everything about early 1900's society with genuine confusion and curiosity, and when something tries to stop her from doing the thing she KNOWS is right, she pushes through and does the right thing anyway. She's earnest, and we know why. That's why people like her character.

I mean, I won't say Wonder Woman is better than every Marvel movie or even every Captain America movie; there are some real gems there and Wonder Woman isn't a perfect film. I will say it has more heart than pretty much any Marvel movie. You say it's some mish-mash of Thor and Captain America (as if those films are so original), I say it does what Thor and Captain America tried to do better than both films simultaneously. Plus, it takes place in World War 1, which is pretty unique because you can't romanticize it at all and be taken seriously, unlike World War 2, which according to Captain America was fought mainly against super-Nazis who never actually approached the horrors of the real Nazis.

In fairness Wonder Woman is just female Superman.

Ignorant statements don't really do much to help your credibility, by the way.

Her powers are exactly the same. Weapons are features you can give to anyone. She's not much different personality-wise from Superman either.

Okay. So I guess any character with super strength and an upbeat personality is just a Superman clone to you. Thanks for clearing that up. I was afraid I'd have to argue nuance, but you just went right ahead and got basic facts wrong. That sure saves me a lot of time and effort.

 

[Captain Marvelous_v1legacy]

I liked Wonder Woman. I thought it was pretty good. Best movie I've seen this year? No. Best DCEU movie? Without a doubt.
Does it deserve all of the immense praise it's getting? ...eh, probably not, but it does deserve credit for being the best thing out of the DCEU. And considering the re-shoots for Justice League and that the first Flash movie will be Flashpoint, it seems there's still quite a bit of shit waiting for us. I don't know what's up with Warner Bros and blowing their load as early as they can. At the very least I can look forward to the WW sequel and hope for Aquaman to finally get his time in the spotlight.

Her powers are exactly the same. Weapons are features you can give to anyone. She's not much different personality-wise from Superman either.

Must have missed the scene where Diana had heat vision and flew into space

Or was bulletproof. Or had super speed. And did she fly at all in BvS or WW, to space or otherwise?

 

[Epyc Wynn]

I liked Wonder Woman. I thought it was pretty good. Best movie I've seen this year? No. Best DCEU movie? Without a doubt.
Does it deserve all of the immense praise it's getting? ...eh, probably not, but it does deserve credit for being the best thing out of the DCEU. And considering the re-shoots for Justice League and that the first Flash movie will be Flashpoint, it seems there's still quite a bit of shit waiting for us. I don't know what's up with Warner Bros and blowing their load as early as they can. At the very least I can look forward to the WW sequel and hope for Aquaman to finally get his time in the spotlight.

Her powers are exactly the same. Weapons are features you can give to anyone. She's not much different personality-wise from Superman either.

Must have missed the scene where Diana had heat vision and flew into space

Or was bulletproof. Or had super speed. And did she fly at all in BvS or WW, to space or otherwise?

So she's Superman but slightly weaker. Can't say I know of any other main DC superheroes who have as many similarities to Superman as Wonder Woman; except Supergirl but she was made to be a female knockoff.

Would anyone like to argue on personality differences? While I am inclined to believe the personality of Superman isn't really different from Wonder Woman, I am open to arguments on the matter.

 

[Captain Marvelous_v1legacy]

I liked Wonder Woman. I thought it was pretty good. Best movie I've seen this year? No. Best DCEU movie? Without a doubt.
Does it deserve all of the immense praise it's getting? ...eh, probably not, but it does deserve credit for being the best thing out of the DCEU. And considering the re-shoots for Justice League and that the first Flash movie will be Flashpoint, it seems there's still quite a bit of shit waiting for us. I don't know what's up with Warner Bros and blowing their load as early as they can. At the very least I can look forward to the WW sequel and hope for Aquaman to finally get his time in the spotlight.

Her powers are exactly the same. Weapons are features you can give to anyone. She's not much different personality-wise from Superman either.

Must have missed the scene where Diana had heat vision and flew into space

Or was bulletproof. Or had super speed. And did she fly at all in BvS or WW, to space or otherwise?

So she's Superman but slightly weaker. Can't say I know of any other main DC superheroes who have as many similarities to Superman as Wonder Woman; except Supergirl but she was made to be a female knockoff.

She's also got some wierd Energy Manipulation/Projection that remained unexplained and the New 52 made her the God of War for a while, which gave her some more abilities, like creating or summoning weapons.

Would anyone like to argue on personality differences? While I am inclined to believe the personality of Superman isn't really different from Wonder Woman, I am open to arguments on the matter.

They've never really been all that different personality wise, from what I've seen. They're both kind, helpful, and heroic. Just rays of sunshine. They'll both choose diplomacy before getting violent. But Wonder Woman is typically more violent because writers choose to concentrate on the Warrior bit and ignore everything else the Amazons do on Themyscera, like poetry, art, and music.

But, if we're talking just the movies, present Wonder Woman is tricky because she hasn't appeared much. We know she's kinda jaded and... that's about it. Superman is... dry and kind of a jerk. After 1 and a quarter films the guy doesn't really have a personality.

If we compare the Wonder Woman movie to Man of Steel, WW is kind of ignorant, childishly hopeful, compassionate, and very energetic. In Man of Steel Superman is... see above.

 

[Cicada 5]

I thought "wow, either there is widespread corruption on Rotten Tomatoes or critics have an insane love of feminism".

Professional critics and journalists, giving pieces good ratings based on ideology instead of actual artistic merit? Surely you must have your tinfoil hat on too tight, my friend; never, ever has that happened.
).

Yeah we all know how an insane love of feminism really helped movies like Elektra, Supergirl, Catwoman

 

[Cicada 5]

Maybe all the people who are rating it cartoonishly high are just too shy to say why.

Maybe people who have simply don't feel the need to actually explain why as people who like something instead of hate it typically don't or maybe they simply recognize this is one of those "let's whine about something that we hate that everybody else likes very likely for reasons that are petty if not made up" threads and thus don't want to bother to explain themselves to a bunch of people who aren't going to listen anyway just to get ridiculed for it.

See, that would make sense, if they were in a minority. If they are in majority then they would have nothing to worry about. This site is about gaming so it is not as if we have a strong bias against the movie. Unless you are arguing Yahtzee's negativity toward games has rubbed off on all of us in which case you might have somewhat of a point.

I gave it on this scale a solid 3/4. A decently acted, entertaining, if not terribly inspired popcorn flick. I got about what I was hoping to get and was satisfied with that.

DC gets a pass on "getting the Greek gods wrong" simply because they were using the interpretation used by the comics. The Norse Gods are all fucked up in Marvel's Thor too and I don't too much whinging over that. And for good reason. One mythological element and system was adapted to fit in with another. And make no mistake. Superheroes are essentially modern realizations of old school mythology. If an acquaintance of mine can write a thesis to that effect and not be laughed out of uni than the idea has some merit. Over all I find it an odd thing to complain about in this case.

Thor actually went out of its way to display actual things and places from the mythology and got the general hierarchy right as well as how certain gods from the mythology might act. Wonder Woman called one ruling god Zeus and another god Ares the God of War and that is the full extent of how accurately Greek mythos was portrayed. One movie used a pantheon with respect and interesting creative takes; the other appropriated some names for shock value and did nothing further beyond making Ares the flattest most generic possible design they could manage.

Calling the Norse gods aliens that humans mistook for gods is being respectful?

never mind that Greek myth has all kinds of varying interpretations. Not unlike superheroes by DC and Marvel

 

[Cicada 5]

Nothing in Man of Steel hints at a "no kill" rule. And why is he being blamed for demolishing Metropolis? It's the kryptonians who invade, it's Zod who declares his intention to kill everyone he can, it's Zod who Supes can barely stand against, it's Zod who's the one intent on destruction, yet Supes is the one who's blamed. And, what, Diana has "no other option" against Ares, yet Supes had a different option with Zod? If anything, Zod is even more powerful than Ares. Not to mention that Diana kills multiple German soldiers as well, whereas Supes kills only a handful of kryptonians.

I'll admit that it is partly meta, especially in the case of Superman. The Superman of Man of Steel and BvS is a reckless hero that cares little for collateral damage, which is a sharp turn away from the usual portrayal of Superman as a super-conscientious (get it?) hero that goes out of his way to protect lives. More pertinently, BvS plays up Batman as being a violent anti-hero with borderline paranoid delusions and who refuses to listen to reason unless it comes from very specific sources (such as Lois). The problem is not that they kill, it is that the "edgier" takes on them in the DCEU makes them both a whole lot less sympathetic and in the case of Batman makes him seem more like a violent thug then the world's greatest detective.

Wonder Woman stands out in that it re-affirms that while Diana fights and kills, her motives are pure. She's not violently paranoid and she's mindful of the consequences of her actions. She also fights because she believes humanity has a capacity for good, not just out of some sense of paternal protection (as both Superman and Batman do, the latter especially being prone to assume only he knows what's right in the DCEU).

Batman has always been a violent anti hero who doesn't listen to reason unless from specific sources. And given how many times downtown Metropolis has been levelled in Superman stories, I fail to see how the Snyder version who has the excuse of being a rookie is any more reckless than other versions.

 

[Gethsemani_v1legacy]

Batman has always been a violent anti hero who doesn't listen to reason unless from specific sources. And given how many times downtown Metropolis has been levelled in Superman stories, I fail to see how the Snyder version who has the excuse of being a rookie is any more reckless than other versions.

I do believe that BvS mentions that he's been protecting Gotham for 20 years, so hardly a rookie. Either way, it just goes to prove my point that the decision to play up Wonder Woman's idealistic and "pure" aspects are intentional and as a way to juxtapose her against Batman's violent anti-hero.

 

[Ogoid]

Yeah we all know how an insane love of feminism really helped movies like Elektra, Supergirl, Catwoman

Well, the newest of those movies is from 2005.

Those were backwards, unenlightened days when corporate entertainment products were judged by their relative entertainment value instead of their commitment to the trendy ideology du jour.

I do miss them, though.

 

[Cicada 5]

Batman has always been a violent anti hero who doesn't listen to reason unless from specific sources. And given how many times downtown Metropolis has been levelled in Superman stories, I fail to see how the Snyder version who has the excuse of being a rookie is any more reckless than other versions.

I do believe that BvS mentions that he's been protecting Gotham for 20 years, so hardly a rookie. Either way, it just goes to prove my point that the decision to play up Wonder Woman's idealistic and "pure" aspects are intentional and as a way to juxtapose her against Batman's violent anti-hero.

I said Snyder's Superman was a rookie not his Batman.

 

[Cicada 5]

Yeah we all know how an insane love of feminism really helped movies like Elektra, Supergirl, Catwoman

Well, the newest of those movies is from 2005.

Those were backwards, unenlightened days when corporate entertainment products were judged by their relative entertainment value instead of their commitment to the trendy ideology du jour.

I do miss them, though.

Are you seriously trying to make the argument that if those movies came out today, critics and audiences would actually like them? Come on, man.

 

[Ogoid]

Are you seriously trying to make the argument that if those movies came out today, critics and audiences would actually like them? Come on, man.

Audiences would, I imagine, receive them about the same; they were incontrovertibly bad.

Critics, on the other hand, I fully expect would go on at length about the sociopolitical importance and significance of the cynical corporate exploitation of intellectual properties originally targeted at the children of several decades prior, even if they did give them a rating consistent with their actual merits.

So it is done in our [Current Year].

 

[Gal_mor]

Hm, I don't know. I liked it. I'd give 8 put pf 10. Good action movie. My girlfriend didn't appreciate it though, she says wonderwoman is too unreal.

 

[Epyc Wynn]

I thought "wow, either there is widespread corruption on Rotten Tomatoes or critics have an insane love of feminism".

Professional critics and journalists, giving pieces good ratings based on ideology instead of actual artistic merit? Surely you must have your tinfoil hat on too tight, my friend; never, ever has that happened.
).

Yeah we all know how an insane love of feminism really helped movies like Elektra, Supergirl, Catwoman

Fair point. I am guessing DC has since developed some new connections or some influences over at Rotten Tomatoes tipped the scales. On all counts I would rate Wonder Woman relatively on par with the movies you just mentioned.

 

[RunsWithBears]

I went into it expecting some sort of feminist's wet dream, but I was pleasantly surprised by it.

Wonder Woman was potrayed as an action hero in her own right, not because she's female, but because she's a well-rounded character with strengths and flaws, a backstory, hopes, dreams, etc.

 

[McMarbles]

I thought "wow, either there is widespread corruption on Rotten Tomatoes or critics have an insane love of feminism".

Professional critics and journalists, giving pieces good ratings based on ideology instead of actual artistic merit? Surely you must have your tinfoil hat on too tight, my friend; never, ever has that happened.
).

Yeah we all know how an insane love of feminism really helped movies like Elektra, Supergirl, Catwoman

Fair point. I am guessing DC has since developed some new connections or some influences over at Rotten Tomatoes tipped the scales. On all counts I would rate Wonder Woman relatively on par with the movies you just mentioned.

Maybe it's just you

Cause if you're comparing cat woman and wonder woman


.....its you

Gal would've made that basketball scene work,dammit.