It would depend on the context. I certainly wouldn't want to play a game where you run a concentration camp SimCity style.
Poll: Would a game where you played a nazi/terrorist be acceptable?
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Funny story, I beat that game, killed the last boss and everything, and in the time it took to load the cutscene one last fucking random no-name enemy managed to kill me and himself with his own grenade from nowhere and it checkpointed me back 40 minutes to the start of that hellish uphill struggle.00slash00 said:
OT: I wouldn't have a problem with it if it was handled well, I wouldn't want to have anything to do with gassing any innocent civillians or anything. But I would play a game where you played as Wehrmacht soldier deep in the heart of Russia.
I see no problem with it, no. In fact, I'd really fucking dig it. I love seeing things from opposing perspectives. I've mentioned it on here before, but I've always wanted to play a good Vietnam game with a proper, fleshed-out campaign playing as the Vietcong. I would probably enjoy a World War II game from the perspective of a German soldier, or hell, even an Italian soldier during the conflict with Greece as well. Playing D-day from up in the bunkers firing down on the hordes of imminent soldiers and knowing that if any large number of them can cross the beach and get to the other side safely, you're fucked - would be quite exciting I believe.
As for terrorists/freedom fighters (depending on your views), that could also be fun, though it'd be harder to pull off as a game. How would you differentiate it? Driving a car rigged with explosives into a building wouldn't make for riveting gameplay. It would descend into shooting Americans with an AK and not much else I'm sure. So I doubt a proper terrorist game would work, but hey, who knows? The only problem is controversy and idiots that stand in the way of things like this. Oh well.
As for terrorists/freedom fighters (depending on your views), that could also be fun, though it'd be harder to pull off as a game. How would you differentiate it? Driving a car rigged with explosives into a building wouldn't make for riveting gameplay. It would descend into shooting Americans with an AK and not much else I'm sure. So I doubt a proper terrorist game would work, but hey, who knows? The only problem is controversy and idiots that stand in the way of things like this. Oh well.
ALLOW?! So you're asking whether I'd rather play a Nazi in a game or become one in real life? Bleh, what a choice.chocolate pickles said:
I'm pretty sure games where you can take part in brutal expansionist conquest and genocide exist somewhere. Oh, wait, KotOR 2, where you play a character who personally led a horrific total war and destroyed an entire planet and all the people living on it. Probably if it were specifically focused on Nazis it could be pretty dreadful, but it'd certainly be interesting to play an RPG where join a political movement as a new recruit, move up the ranks, gain the confidence of their visionary leader, help him root out traitors an subversives, and then at the very end of the game, it's revealed that you've basically been working for the SS.
Could be cool.
Your job in Just Cause 2 was a terrorist, the game awards you for destroying generators and water tanks if they have the government's star on it. Other posters have pointed out others as well.
I could see playing a Nazi, but I doubt anyone would lack the sense to make the player do actual Nazi things. I would guess a Nazi game would quickly change subject into a vampire hunting game like in JoJo or one where the player must go to fight off space aliens caused by a Nazi stargate. The Nazi part would influence the items used, the last one would basically be a handheld tank. If someone did make an actual Nazi game, I doubt it would sell well, people may love to be assholes, but they don't want to do stuff that will cause psychological doubt and problems over time.
I could see playing a Nazi, but I doubt anyone would lack the sense to make the player do actual Nazi things. I would guess a Nazi game would quickly change subject into a vampire hunting game like in JoJo or one where the player must go to fight off space aliens caused by a Nazi stargate. The Nazi part would influence the items used, the last one would basically be a handheld tank. If someone did make an actual Nazi game, I doubt it would sell well, people may love to be assholes, but they don't want to do stuff that will cause psychological doubt and problems over time.
As a Nazi and a terrorist, or as a Nazi or a terrorist? Because they are two separate things, regardless of how much Fox News loves throwing the two words around in regard to socialism. Point of fact, if you consider the more positive titles for a terrorist, i.e. "freedom fighter" or "revolutionary", Nazis and terrorists tend to be diametrically opposed to each other.
Give you an example using Red Faction: Guerrilla. You and your allies? Terrorists. Earth's occupying force? Nazis. (Sorta.)
...So to answer your question in a roundabout fashion, not only would I play a terrorist, apparently I already have.
Give you an example using Red Faction: Guerrilla. You and your allies? Terrorists. Earth's occupying force? Nazis. (Sorta.)
...So to answer your question in a roundabout fashion, not only would I play a terrorist, apparently I already have.
again, I put that as subjective as what targets are justified and in what situations is subjective. Get your point, though.Reven said:
If done right it would be an amazing story. They would probably have to spin it into a signing up for the sake of your family thing though, not because the main character agrees with Hitler.
Or signing up because he genuinely was a good choice at the time, but slowly underwent a transformation into a complete monster who you have no choice in following.Trippy Turtle said:
If it were to be done the writing would have to be superb due to the misinformed who will inevitably attack it.
I think your crucial mistake here is implying that there is a "morally correct" position in war. Sure, the Nazis were the aggressors and the Allies entered the war (mostly) in response to this (well, the Americans waited a few years until Pearl Harbor before they decided to be heroic).chocolate pickles said:
But the average Nazi footsoldier? He probably "believed" in his cause, he was probably conscripted or at least had been under a lot of pressure to sign up, and he probably thought he was fighting for his homeland and his people (and on the Eastern Front, in earnest defence against the looming Red Menace). Nothing so immoral about that.
And conversely, the Allies did plenty of immoral things too. Not many people would find enjoyment in firebombing civilian Dresden, or putting American Japanese into internment camps.
The narrative that there are "good guys and bad guys" in war only works within the context that the winners write the history books. Most of war is just senseless killing and any right or wrong is completely subjective.
I have no problem as long as it's presented in a intelligent manner. For example a lot of 'Nazis' were really nice guys and weren't really into all the evil shit that was going on mostly behind their backs. No one sets out to be muahaha evil, they just sometimes find themselves tricked into it.
When we nuke entire cities of civilians? When we firebomb refugee districts as hundreds of thousands of unarmed noncombatants as they burn to a crisp and those who hide in shelters from the raging inferno slowly die of carbon monoxide, with women smothering their children to avoid the pain? We're the good guys right? When we overthrow governments and support the torture of civilians?
It's all relative - Freedom fighters, armies, terrorists, governments. You think they woke up one day and thought hey lets go kill some civilians, that will be fun. They did it because we directly or indirectly do the exact same thing. The founder of the modern terrorism movements (Sayyid Qutb, who taught Ayman al-Zawahiri who taught Bin Laden,) was tortured in such a facility in Egypt. They would starve dogs, and then release them into his cell and watch as they tore at him. They would pull them off and nurse him back to health and then release them again, over and over.
We prop up and fund dictators all over the Middle East, and helped them with their reigns of terror and then we act like it's surprising that the civilians they/we tortured are now trying to the same thing back to us. They see their responding violence as just. They see it as tit for tat. They see it as their only out, their only reprisal to our indiscriminate violence.
So when Barrack Obama orders drone strikes that kill civilians, that makes the US government terrorists? Or when we try to assassinate a foreign leader? Or torture foreign nationals in secret CIA funded prisons? Or do we get a by because something something terrorism something?Doom972 said:
When we nuke entire cities of civilians? When we firebomb refugee districts as hundreds of thousands of unarmed noncombatants as they burn to a crisp and those who hide in shelters from the raging inferno slowly die of carbon monoxide, with women smothering their children to avoid the pain? We're the good guys right? When we overthrow governments and support the torture of civilians?
It's all relative - Freedom fighters, armies, terrorists, governments. You think they woke up one day and thought hey lets go kill some civilians, that will be fun. They did it because we directly or indirectly do the exact same thing. The founder of the modern terrorism movements (Sayyid Qutb, who taught Ayman al-Zawahiri who taught Bin Laden,) was tortured in such a facility in Egypt. They would starve dogs, and then release them into his cell and watch as they tore at him. They would pull them off and nurse him back to health and then release them again, over and over.
We prop up and fund dictators all over the Middle East, and helped them with their reigns of terror and then we act like it's surprising that the civilians they/we tortured are now trying to the same thing back to us. They see their responding violence as just. They see it as tit for tat. They see it as their only out, their only reprisal to our indiscriminate violence.
You play as an assassin in Hitman and Hotline Miami.
A thug in various Grand Theft Auto games.
A Mafia member in the Mafia games.
To me it's acceptable, to the public probably not.
A thug in various Grand Theft Auto games.
A Mafia member in the Mafia games.
To me it's acceptable, to the public probably not.
If we can have movies seriously portray Nazi's than certainly gaming deserves the same rights.
AAA publishers/developers would get major backlash regardless of context though so they'd have to be ready for it.
Only indie games would slip under the radar for that kind of content.
AAA publishers/developers would get major backlash regardless of context though so they'd have to be ready for it.
Only indie games would slip under the radar for that kind of content.
Nazis aren't even really taken seriously anymore.
But, if you're defining "terrorist" as it's commonly used, as opposed to it's legal definition, then that would be a major case of too soon.
But, if you're defining "terrorist" as it's commonly used, as opposed to it's legal definition, then that would be a major case of too soon.
